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I've done lots of research and been denied permission most of the time

diggingfix

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Its not like i"m creepy lookin or shady, Maybe I am not pushy enough. I just asked my boss if i could detect an old 2 room schoolhouse they own, guess what, NO. Wow, it is tuff for some of us TH'ers. Some times i'm beginning to think its better to be asked to leave than be told no. But I can't do that. Maybe there's a wheat left in my yard. I'll probably do a lot more fishing this year and keep the explorer in the trunk for when I travel, kind of painful when your addicted.
 
parks - and then travel to more parks - and then travel to even more parks. Draw a 100 mile circle around your town and start traveling. Be like a locust - swoop down on a park, dig all the goodies and then travel to the next town. If you feel froggy - jump - ask for permission to detect an old home. If you get a NO then tell yourself you had that NO before you even asked (100% NO without asking - odds get better when you ask). Now go look for a YES.
 
Getting refused permission can be a blow i know. How you come over to the person you are asking permission for is the key. This is the part of metal detecting most of us hate i am sure - having to grovel for permission!. Mys success rate at getting permission has so far been good , not sure why maybe i have been lucky. I have my own unconventional method which works for me mostly, so far a 100% success rate but i guess some one will say the big NO sometime .
 
Years ago when I was young I took a job selling vacuum cleaners door to door. After a very successful year, income wise, the knocking on doors finally got to me. Little did I know that years later that unwanted talent would come back to serve me.

Now, selling door to door and asking permission to metal detect are two entirely different things. But, you can learn a few things from selling.

First, be positive. If you go to the door and say something like, "You wouldn't want to let me metal detect your yard would you?", then you don't have to guess what the answer will be.

Second, be neat and courteous. I know that after you have been hunting a few hours you can get dirty and sweaty. But you can tuck your shirt in and comb your hair before you get to the door. Knock and stand back a way from the door to make them comfortable with you being there.


Third and most important, be honest. Don't use any gimics or off the wall ideas when you are at the door. Just simply introduce yourself and say that your hobby is metal detecting and that you would like to get permission to hunt there (in so many words - short and to the point).

The next part is a very important part that I learned from selling. After you ask them permission, do not say anything until they answer. It might seem like you are waiting there for 10 minutes, but be silent until they answer first. The longer it seems, the better your chances of getting in.

In selling, it is called the "silent sell". Why it is important is because many inexperienced salesmen/detectorists during this critical time will continue to talk and end up talking themselves right out of a sale/hunt.

So say the brief lines I mentioned above, then wait for the answer. If the answer is "no" then thank them and move to the next potential site.

If the answer is "yes" then this is important as well. Thank them and again keep quite unless they engage you in conversation. For the same reason as above you can talk yourself out of a hunt. My buddy that I hunt with is 78 years old and is deeply afraid to knock on a door, so I usually do all the knocking. Other than that, he runs his yap more than any woman you will ever be around.

One day I got permission for us to hunt, and was in the part of being quiet and starting to hunt when he gets out and starts trying to sell what I had already sold. I'm talking about a 160 year old house here. He starts talking about not leaving holes and returning any jewelry we find, etc.

Well, you guessed it, they changed their mind about letting us hunt. So once you get permission, shut up and hunt.

When you are through, go back and tell them you are leaving and thank them for letting you hunt there.

Just like in sales, you have to go through so many "No's" before your get a yes. They used to say it is a game of numbers. You should look at getting permission the same way. Or you could look at it like swinging your coil or finding pull-tabs. If you swing long enough and dig enough pull-tabs, sooner or later you will find gold. If you don't swing your coil and dig pull tabs you will never know what you missed.

The same is true of not knocking.

Lose your fears (and doubts) and knock, it is just one more step to your next great find!

BTW, my success rate of getting permission is 85-90%. This attitude also overcomes the problem of "No Tresspassing" signs since you are not tresspassing if you have permission. In fact, it has provided quite a few really good hunt sites to me that others never bother with. Getting permission is a good thing. Use it to your advantage.

HH Alton
 
I use a bit different approach while relic hunting. I never detect the same day I ask permission. I'd rather get to know the owner, and they get to know me. The sites in question are not one day sites...usually many years if the permission is granted.....and never call someone on the phone for permission!!!

john
 
Yeah I think if I had a boss who told me no that would tell me what my value was. Of course, the boss could just be a selfish jerk too who actually holds the employee in high regard. I sell real estate and do contracting work, and generally if I am selling or working on a house the owner lets me detect, but not always. But I never hunt the yard, just fields or woods. I don't cut a neat enough hole to do that, and I don't want the owner contacting me telling me that they've got a bunch of dead spots in their yard. That would probably do it for me, in more ways than one.
 
I like to ask permission from farmers while out in the field , this works better than knocking on a door , the farmer or landowner feels more at ease this way and also is less "nerve racking" than cold calling by knocking on doors - This has worked good for me with a %100 success rate (so far).
 
I have gained permissions 20% of the time, being denied the juciest of places "ouch" Cheap non greedy TIP.. I dont detect in water so I watch for lakes with swimming beaches to be drained, the DNR will provide the info. Not the best tip but like I said, it was cheap
 
Your not the only one my friend! I've been rejected many times before.This is one of the biggest reasons that 80% of my detecting is
now at the beach. I personaly think the reason is because these people
we ask feel that they themselves are missing out on something(treasure).
Their attitudes change once they find out you have a machine that is
capable of finding anything of value on their land. It's like they are jealous or something. You have something they don't have kinda thing.
Once $$$ is involed people and their thoughts change real quick.
Yes, that is my take of that whole situation.
 
I might add go in the evening with a better chance of talking to the male of the house..Guys just give permission easier.
In addendum if someone walked up to your door and asked permission would you let them??? Guess thats why many say no as you also have to dial in liabilty..Vacant lots, large farms and yards and the like are fair game but to hunt someones backyard is another thing...
 
This is how I do it... I drive around and write down addresses of pre-1800 houses... then send out letters. A week or so later I stop by and introduce myself. The owners that call and say yes will keep you busy detecting as long as you wish... or just visit the ones that don't call you back! I've never... that's right NEVER been turned down. I guess the letter softens 'em up a bit, as I cover most any concern they may have. Here's a sample (names changed to protect the innocent :)

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Good Day!

John and Jane Doe, your neighbors from a few doors down suggested I write you. I just presented John and Jane a display case with some exciting finds from their property
 
That liability card you speak of is not worth spit unless its witnessed and notarized and also make the homeowner think of liability so even if it works for you would not advise it..Other than that nice technique...
 
[quote diggingfix]Its not like i"m creepy lookin or shady, Maybe I am not pushy enough. I just asked my boss if i could detect an old 2 room schoolhouse they own, guess what, NO. Wow, it is tuff for some of us TH'ers. Some times i'm beginning to think its better to be asked to leave than be told no. But I can't do that. Maybe there's a wheat left in my yard. I'll probably do a lot more fishing this year and keep the explorer in the trunk for when I travel, kind of painful when your addicted.[/quote]

Well, you *can* do that, just not where you'll be easily noticed. For instance in wooded areas you're not easily seen unless you're right near the road. I know what you mean about not wanting to be constantly denied, which is a common thing when you just ask at random many places. Often if you can get to know people through other people you can get more done, for instance through local historical societies. Nowadays so many people are on edge that they're just creeped out by a random guy showing up on their doorstep.
 
That happened to me once when I was a teenager. I found an 1821 large cent in somebody's yard. Before leaving I showed it to them as promised, and they noted the date. Now 1821 is a key date. They went and looked it up in a book somewhere, and with no knowledge of grading they went and decided it was the highest grade and was worth hundreds of dollars. It was in decent shape, but had corrosion. Well, they called me and said they wanted it back, and I gave it to them. Eventually after they figured out they couldn't get anybody to pay them tons of money for it, I got it back, and still have it. That's the last time I was forthright with somebody like that though. Any time people think they might have something worth money, greed takes over. Kind of sucks, because I'd rather be able to be 100% honest with everybody. Instead you have to anticipate that somebody will take something away if you find it, and be careful about what you show. Not that I find any coins of great value normally, but that keeper coin you'd like to have to show off at the local club meeting (even if of no considerable monetary value) might not be yours for long if you show it to the wrong person.

[quote CDF(Fla)]Your not the only one my friend! I've been rejected many times before.This is one of the biggest reasons that 80% of my detecting is
now at the beach. I personaly think the reason is because these people
we ask feel that they themselves are missing out on something(treasure).
Their attitudes change once they find out you have a machine that is
capable of finding anything of value on their land. It's like they are jealous or something. You have something they don't have kinda thing.
Once $$$ is involed people and their thoughts change real quick.
Yes, that is my take of that whole situation.[/quote]
 
What I do to permission and it works almost every time, is I will dress in some good clothes and have a business card with my name and number. I tell them that I am an amateur historian and would like to metal detect their property. I stress that no damage will happen to the property, and that I am only looking for small coins.The more professional you look the better your chances. Get some cards made up. Thats important. The more you make it look like you are there for the historical value, and not just there to take what you can from them the better off you are.
 
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