Kruzer vs impact

[OlEGoatMate]

Is the Kruzer series basically a waterproof impact? I mostly hunt on land is there any reason to upgrade over the impact?

 

[squirrel1]

I think so.
Kruze may have some refinement though besides the waterproofing.
Lighter too.

 

[GroundScanner]

Well I just got a Impact back I believe in late November and am liking it a lot . I won't be needing it for water so I am going to wait to see if it is a better machine other than waterproof by listening from testers and still I would have to try it out. I believe if I wait then there may be a waterproof machine soon from the Nokta brand. And if so , if it's just a waterproof Impact then I will just stick with the Impact. Will have to wait and see. GS

 

[wyohunter99]

Rechargeable lithium battery too!

 

[bigjon]

Is the Kruzer series basically a waterproof impact? I mostly hunt on land is there any reason to upgrade over the impact?

i do not own a Marko or a Notka one of these days i hope to own one.These waterproof machines look real good,but in my opinion the impact will out preform them. because Marko and NOtka are smart companies,they wont shoot themselves in the foot!!!

 

[Dave_E]

The Kruzer series has 6 modes. The Impact has 12 modes.

The Kruzer freqs are 5, 14, and 19. the Impact freqs are 5, 14, and 20.

Not sure if the ferrous range on the Kruzer is set like the Racer series (0-15), or if it is mode dependent like the Impact (0-15 or 0-40).

 

[Monte]

The Kruzer series has 6 modes. The Impact has 12 modes.

The 14 kHz Racer 2 has 5 modes so you would think it logical to maybe add one more for the KRUZER that most people might want, based upon their feedback and research inquiries.

The Kruzer freqs are 5, 14, and 19. the Impact freqs are 5, 14, and 20.

Close, and all very functional for different applications. The KRUZER operates at only 14 kHz, and it is the Multi-KRUZER that features the three selectable frequencies.

Not sure if the ferrous range on the Kruzer is set like the Racer series (0-15), or if it is mode dependent like the Impact (0-15 or 0-40).

The 'Racer series' don't have the same Ferrous/Non-Ferrous Break Point. And since you've mentioned the Nokta Impact, let me comment on the main Nokta & Makro detector models regarding this feature setting.

The 15 kHz Nokta CoRe and 19 kHz Gold+ and 56 kHz Makro Gold Racer and 'original' 14 kHz Racer have a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '40'.

The 14 kHz Makro Racer 2 has a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '10'.

The 19 kHz Nokta Relic has a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '20'.

The multi-frequency [size=small](5, 14 & 20 kHz)[/size] Nokta Impact has 12 modes. Of those, the Di2, Di3, Di4, Di99 and COG modes have a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '15' and the other 7 modes have a break point at '40.'

The KRUZER and Multi-KRUZER feature 6 modes, and considering the different ferrous break points of the above list, a '15' would likely be close to ideal as I have found with my Impact. The KRUZER and Multi-KRUZER are targeted more for the Coin Hunting, Relic Hunting, Beach Hunting crowd and a '15' break design seems to be just right.

Monte

 

[kajunman]

The Kruzer series has 6 modes. The Impact has 12 modes.The 14 kHz Racer 2 has 5 modes so you would think it logical to maybe add one more for the KRUZER that most people might want, based upon their feedback and research inquiries.


The Kruzer freqs are 5, 14, and 19. the Impact freqs are 5, 14, and 20.Close, and all very functional for different applications. The KRUZER operates at only 14 kHz, and it is the Multi-KRUZER that features the three selectable frequencies.


Not sure if the ferrous range on the Kruzer is set like the Racer series (0-15), or if it is mode dependent like the Impact (0-15 or 0-40).The 'Racer series' don't have the same Ferrous/Non-Ferrous Break Point. And since you've mentioned the Nokta Impact, let me comment on the main Nokta & Makro detector models regarding this feature setting.

The 15 kHz Nokta CoRe and 19 kHz Gold+ and 56 kHz Makro Gold Racer and 'original' 14 kHz Racer have a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '40'.

The 14 kHz Makro Racer 2 has a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '10'.

The 19 kHz Nokta Relic has a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '20'.

The multi-frequency (5, 14 & 20 kHz) Nokta Impact has 12 modes. Of those, the Di2, Di3, Di4, Di99 and COG modes have a Ferrous/Non-Ferrous numeric break at '15' and the other 7 modes have a break point at '40.'

The KRUZER and Multi-KRUZER feature 6 modes, and considering the different ferrous break points of the above list, a '15' would likely be close to ideal as I have found with my Impact. The KRUZER and Multi-KRUZER are targeted more for the Coin Hunting, Relic Hunting, Beach Hunting crowd and a '15' break design seems to be just right.

Monte

Monte I asked this on another forum and haven't received an answer. Maybe you can expound a bit for me. Since the multi Kruzer is updateable via firmware, would it be possible to add more frequencies later on ? Also would Makro have the ability to make the frequencies run concurrent ?

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

If you water hunt the new detector is the way to go if you do both the new machine is the way to go if you relic hunt the impact is the way to go more programs and settings if you beach hunt the new machine is the way to go..easy

 

[Beyonder]

Monte thank you for your information. if you can, could you tell us what these are?

"Adjustable TID depth"
"Extra underground depth"

 

[Monte]

Monte I asked this on another forum and haven't received an answer. Maybe you can expound a bit for me. Since the multi Kruzer is updateable via firmware, would it be possible to add more frequencies later on ? Also would Makro have the ability to make the frequencies run concurrent ?

Not an engineer, but a simple answer to both questions is, No.

The circuitry was designed to operate with the three selected frequencies by design and you can't go in and alter that.

Also, running three frequencies simultaneously would also be something that would be part of an initial design and that kind of change shouldn't be an 'updatable' ability of the product.

Now for an also simple comment about frequencies and frequency function. I'm concluding 53 years of very avid metal detecting and have owned and used a number of 'multi-frequency' detectors from different manufacturers that were marketed as being 'multi-frequency' and also as operating 'simultaneously' and overall, for the wide-range of detecting I do, none of them have proven to be all that versatile for me.

Yes, I know some reader is going to ask about hunting in a saltwater environment, and I have done that as well, East Coast and West Coast and In-Between them here in the USA. I have hunted some highly salty and very mineralized sites with a few friends who used their Minelab FBS detectors, or Fisher CZ's or both White's DFX and Spectrum series units and we have compared target responses. I haven't had an issue at all going up against them where I have hunted using a few different models from three manufactures. All single frequency operation detectors.

There is no such thing as a 'perfect' detector and I know a lot of folks bought into the 'multi-frequency' sales pitch of other detector makers and believe all they have read. But I have also found that none of them I have hunted with ever used a single frequency for beach hunting, or should I say they never learned how to use a single frequency to know what they are capable of doing.

I am completely comfortable with the single frequency and three selectable frequency detectors in my arsenal for any beach hunting I will take on..

Monte

 

[kajunman]

Monte I asked this on another forum and haven't received an answer. Maybe you can expound a bit for me. Since the multi Kruzer is updateable via firmware, would it be possible to add more frequencies later on ? Also would Makro have the ability to make the frequencies run concurrent ?Not an engineer, but a simple answer to both questions is, No.

The circuitry was designed to operate with the three selected frequencies by design and you can't go in and alter that.

Also, running three frequencies simultaneously would also be something that would be part of an initial design and that kind of change shouldn't be an 'updatable' ability of the product.

Now for an also simple comment about frequencies and frequency function. I'm concluding 53 years of very avid metal detecting and have owned and used a number of 'multi-frequency' detectors from different manufacturers that were marketed as being 'multi-frequency' and also as operating 'simultaneously' and overall, for the wide-range of detecting I do, none of them have proven to be all that versatile for me.

Yes, I know some reader is going to ask about hunting in a saltwater environment, and I have done that as well, East Coast and West Coast and In-Between them here in the USA. I have hunted some highly salty and very mineralized sites with a few friends who used their Minelab FBS detectors, or Fisher CZ's or both White's DFX and Spectrum series units and we have compared target responses. I haven't had an issue at all going up against them where I have hunted using a few different models from three manufactures. All single frequency operation detectors.

There is no such thing as a 'perfect' detector and I know a lot of folks bought into the 'multi-frequency' sales pitch of other detector makers and believe all they have read. But I have also found that none of them I have hunted with ever used a single frequency for beach hunting, or should I say they never learned how to use a single frequency to know what they are capable of doing.

I am completely comfortable with the single frequency and three selectable frequency detectors in my arsenal for any beach hunting I will take on..

Monte

Wow, 53 years of detecting. I can only imagine what your display cabinets look like. Excuse me while I wipe the drool from my chin. I'm beginning my 5th year and I have loved every minute of it. I will never be able to equal your finds but I'm never gonna stop trying.

Agree there is no perfect detector. I read that single frequency detectors have reached their limit. I have a difficult time believing that. Technology moves at a faster clip these days and the ability to improve technology moves just as quickly. Kind of like tires are still rubber and still round, but today's tires are better than 30 years ago.

 

[kajunman]

Monte thank you for your information. if you can, could you tell us what these are?

"Adjustable TID depth"
"Extra underground depth"

"Adjustable TID depth" Good question. I wonder how much is dependent on swing speed ?

"Extra underground depth" How does this compare to boost and cache modes on the F75 ?

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Monte thank you for your information. if you can, could you tell us what these are?

"Adjustable TID depth"
"Extra underground depth"


"Extra underground depth" How does this compare to boost and cache modes on the F75 ?

Nope not the same thing as a boost or cache mode (DEEP on the Racers/Impact/Kruzers is similar to boost mode). The EUD mode is doing additional analysis on fringe depth targets, or iffy targets in mineralized soil. It's a new feature, and will be interesting to see how it's application benefits us in the field.

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

I think the fisher CZ3D ran two freq at a time, was great for hunting the beach not so good for relic hunting very low bad in iron and not very deep. I like to have the choice to chose what freq I want...In wet ground with iron I will take the higest freq all of the time...Maybe the newest flagship detector from the makers of the Impact will be something different maybe the next step forward. But most targets are walked over due to masking. I think we have a nice mixture of detectors on todays market I really love the impact and the racer and the deus.

 

[D&P-OR]

Lowboy----Get a Nokta Relic & you won't be walkin over all those masked targets!

I think the fisher CZ3D ran two freq at a time, was great for hunting the beach not so good for relic hunting very low bad in iron and not very deep. I like to have the choice to chose what freq I want...In wet ground with iron I will take the higest freq all of the time...Maybe the newest flagship detector from the makers of the Impact will be something different maybe the next step forward. But most targets are walked over due to masking. I think we have a nice mixture of detectors on todays market I really love the impact and the racer and the deus.

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Yeah I was thinking of selling my deus to get a relic but have you hunted with the impact I was a tester and I think they took some of the technology from that unit and programmed it into the impact...Monte hunts with the impact but said he love the relic also...would like more users to chime in...I'll start a new post...thanks