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Labadee Haiti Beach

fsdigital12

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Taking a cruise and stopping in labadee.

Anyone know if detecting is permitted there?

Can't find anything online.

Thanks
 
Well, besides danger for tourists (don't buy rolexes from strangers on the street corner who wear trenchcoats, etc...), I'll take a stab at your question:

The question of various mexican, carribean, and south american tourist resort destinations comes up frequently. No shortage of tropical destinations down there afterall :) And to my knowledge, I've never seen ANY of them where ANYONE has ever been able to come up with some sort of a "no" answer, to casual beach hobbyist stuff. I mean, not the type of "no's" in what you'd envision with some of the European countries rife with cultural heritage problems like Egypt, or Greece, or whatever (with world-class antiquities to protect, etc...)

But some people are still skittish (afterall "you can't be too safe", eh?) and go ask. There was a humorous example where someone, back in the early 1980s, wrote in to the Fisher Co. periodical (they used to have a monthly or quarterly mailer). The periodical used to have a "Questions to the editors" column. People would write in various letters to the editor. In one edition, a reader had submitted a question about Mexico (some beach resort) and wanted to know, just like you ...if "detecting is permitted there?" Fisher's answer back to this person, was entitled something to the effect of: "When travelling to Mexico, leave the detectors at home". The answer went on to detail dire sounding cultural heritage laws, export laws, salvor laws, etc.. :(

HOWEVER, in the FOLLOWING edition of that periodical, several other readers had written in to take exception to that answer. Objections like "since when?" and "who told you this?" and "we go down there all the time with no problems", etc... Fisher, in defense of their earlier answer, went on to explain their source of info. for the answer: THEY ASKED ! :) They'd simply passed it on to a border lawyer type, or consulate, or Mexican bureaucrat, etc.. I mean, who better to ask, than Mexico themselves, right? :) But whomever they'd asked, must've couched their question/answer in terms of treasure salvor laws (wreck diving, etc..) or raiding pyramaids-type things, or exporting gold bars back across the border, etc.. So everything was painted as a "no you can't" type answer, complete with dire sounding consequences.

But the odd thing was, that there is no shortage of md'rs there plying the tourist beaches. There are detector dealers down there in the bigger cities (INCLUDING FISHER DEALERS, doh!).

Thus I suppose it would be no different than if you asked certain archies or bureaucrats here in the USA "can you metal detect in the USA?", that so too would some likewise say "no". Why? Because perhaps they've got mel fisher's legal hassles in mind. Perhaps they're thinking of federal protected sites, ARPA, and so forth. Yet we ALL know you can still detect, so long as you're not a nuisance snooping around obvious historic sites, and assuming you're not finding the atocha, etc... Thus casual fumble-fingers beach stuff is NOT to be confused with laws regarding the pyramaids, exporting gold bars, etc... But hey, you asked, so sure, someone can give you a technical "dire sounding" answer. Right?

I am no expert on Haitan law, but I'm just saying, that if you decide you wanted to ask someone there, just be prepared, that sometimes you can get odd answers, which don't have any bearing in reality. A possible option is to see if there's any dealers there. Presumably they sell to hobbyist users. Most all the dealers have a listing of their dealers or distributors world-wide, so it wouldn't be hard to do.

But if were me, I'd just go (at safe times of day, of course :))
 
Wow, thanks for the insightful answer Tom and taking the time to write it.

I'm the same way with my thoughts on asking permission at most public places...absolutely.

The only reason I was asking here as I know a lot of people go on cruises and was trying to get any input if people had past experiences in going to this "private island"

I know Haiti can have a negative and dangerous reputation. But this spot is very small beach operated by the Cruise companies themselves..

Didn't want to go through the hassle of lugging the detector all the way down to there to get hassled or have problems at security etc...but I guess it goes with the territory.
 
If I were going on a cruise and wanted to take my MD I would ask the cruise company I am sailing with. They themselves may have restrictions on bringing the MD on the ship.
 
Oh boy, what an answer :) "Ask the cruise line". :) Yeah, sure. And ask them "can I bring my teddy bear" while I'm at it.

There was a thread years ago, where a person did JUST THAT. (I mean, who better to ask, than the cruise line themselves right? I mean, they pull into various ports so *certainly* they have appointed P.R. people to answer those *very* things, right? haha). So here's what happened: A particular cruise line told the customer: "no, you can't bring a metal detector". So the md'r posted the answer on a forum. Perhaps to alert others that this is not a friendly cruise line? Perhaps asking if other cruise-line co's had similar rules? Or what? I dunno. But it struck me as odd, that I betcha that others, prior to his asking, perhaps simply brought it, used them, and no one cared. I mean SERIOUSLY NOW, does anyone really go through your luggage when you get on a cruise-ship to see how many underwear your bringing, whether you brought a clock radio, or whatever?

But put yourself in the position of the person at the cruise-line office getting such an inquiry. What do you think THEY'RE going to do with that question? Pass it by their legal dept. I suppose (afterall, there might be laws in the ports/beaches they pull into). And guess what that cruise-line lawyer's going to do with the question? Go ask a Cozomul or puerto vallarta bureaucrat or consulate. Sounds reasonable enough, right? Afterall, you can't be too safe, right? BUT WAIT, go to my other post on this thread, and see what happens.

In other words, the "no one cared till you asked" psychology, can happen on national scales too. Not just singular cities, singular states, etc... (as my example of the Fisher/mexico Q things showed).

Thus, no. Asking the cruise-line is not the solution. I mean, sure, go ahead and look at their rules (printed on the back of your boarding ticket, or included in the paperwork you got when you signed up). If you see nothing there saying "no metal detectors", then ... why would someone think they need to ask the cruise-line "can I take my metal detector?"
 
Here is a thread from a just over two years ago that has some actual experiences:

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?26,1381601,1381601#msg-1381601

Hope you enjoy your cruise!
Cheers,
tvr
 
I think flouting the laws in a foreign country is reckless and an invitation to a disaster. Know the laws where you are going and abide by them. The Last place you want to end up is in the custody of some foreign 3rd world government.

As to the cruise lines, get it in writing (or email) before you book. Financial pressure has a way of greasing the way.

As to Haiti, I wouldn't go there without at least a squad of Marines.
 
Telling someone to get it in writing that you're "allowed to metal detect" seems to be the FASTEST way to get a yes turned to a no. For example: Imagine asking some city hall desk-clerk to "put that in writing". What's it going to do? Conjur up some sort of legal ramifications .... then what do you think the easy answer will be?

As for the rest of your post, sure , if there's a law that really said "no md'ing" then sure , go ahead and follow it. But do not confuse THAT with the notion we need to ask permission or "can I?"
 
Tom, again, Reread what I wrote. Ask before booking = financial pressure. Theres more than 1 cruise line that does the Carribean and they all know it. Doing the Right Thing seems to be out of fashion, I know, but we all don't always get what we want in life.

But if youre not the guy who has to make the choice of abandoning his expensive machine or getting on the boat, I guess you can advise pretty much anything.


This isn't about California where the gov wants to regulate how many sheets of toilet paper you can wipe with. Much of the country is more sane than the left coast. Much of Haiti is......well, Dangerous. Crossing some pinhead in CA is WAAAAAAY different than pissing off someone in Haiti. Way. Different. Like, potentially Life Changing.
 
I don't doubt that some cruise line has such a rule NOW. But I guess what I'm trying to say is.... guess how THAT probably came about ? By someone in the past going and asking "can I?". See the vicious circle ?

Let me ask you: If any particular cruise line DID have such a rule, wouldn't it be written in the rules that customers can see? I'm sure the rules are in the material/paperwork that would come with your ticket ? And if a person wanted to know BEFORE purchasing, couldn't they ask to see a list of all the rules beforehand? It's probably on their website for instance. Eh? And if nothing there says "no metal detectors", then why can't that be your answer ? Why can't that be the "right thing" to do?
 
I have been on several cruises over the last 3 years and when ever you re-enter the ship you and everything you bring back with you is searched and run through an x-ray machine and you have to go through a metal detector. Although I have never seen anyone bring a MD on a ship nor have I, but one would think it would raise a brow or two and its just not worth the hassle or even loosing your equipment.
 
it sure would make for an interesting episode of -- locked up abroad... im not necessarally worldly wise ,but why would a cruise ship be going to haiti anyway.... on the up side, if you do manage to use your machine there you might do very well as i would assume there is very very little competition there..... good luck.....
 
Like in the TVA thread, if you can afford to lose it and don't mind lawyering up($$!!!), go right ahead and play the gambling game (tho I still advise never tweaking the tail of a 3rd world gov).

I personally play by the rules and work to change the ones I disagree with. I have found that most folks in the South (only places I have detected) appreciate the respectful approach and bring the hammer down on those that like to flaunt the rules or play jailhouse lawyer.
 
In Nov we went on a cruise on Norwegian from Tampa. I took my detector and had no problems. Only place I detected was a beach on Roatan Island in Honduras. Walked on and off ship with it and no problems. I had my Garrett back pack with the detector broken down and assembled it on the beach so while I was going to and from the beach no one knew what I had in the bag. Detected on the beach and in the water and the only thing I attracted was fellow cruisers who wanted to follow me. I let them and even let them dig some signals. Problem was that the beach had all new construction around it and it was full of nails and garbage. But some folks enjoyed watching and asked a lot of questions. I guess that was the highlight of that beach.

I would take the detector and ask the cruise director when you get on board if there are any restrictions to metal detecting on the beach. I wouldn't ask if it was ok, but if there were any restrictions. I was on Labadee the day they opened it up and while we were there on that very day they overthrew Baby Doc and we never knew it until we were back on the ship sailing away. It was like a different world on that beach with no relationship to Haiti except for the locals selling stuff. Needless to say this was MANY years ago.
 
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