I understand, Ma, but to carry so much hatred toward Islam, and Muslims, is a sin. Tonight, I did some research to answer a poster in the main forum. I looked for references to Jesus in the Jewish Talmud.
One thing that really jumped out at me was that many scholars are now believe that YESHU is not a shortened name for YESHUA, but an acrostic verse. An acrostic verse is like when, as kids, we might write secret messages and use the first letter of the sentence to spell out a word. For instance.
Man is made in the image of God.
All who worship Him will be blessed.
Mighty is He who glorifies the Lord.
All the church said, AMEM.
If you take the first letter of each of the sentences... M - A - M- A..... it spells MAMA.
These scholars are saying that YESHU, when translated into Hebrew, using acrostic, means...."May his name and memory be blotted out"
In further research I found the following information, all related matter of factly at the website below.
As for Muslims, I know several. They are kind and generous people. They have done much for me, and I for them. One Muslim whom I know rather well, operates a restaurant. Every Friday, he buys a large turkey, prepares it with all the fixin's and sends it to a local elementary school. Only the principal knows who he is. He requests that the principal give the turkey to a family, of her choice, that is in need. He has done this without fail for several years, ever since he opened his restarurant. They share the same beliefs that REAL Christians do on giving to the poor. They do it annomyously. They do not seek recognition, or, praise, they only give because God commands them to. I have another friend who owned a restaurant. He did much the same thing. At the end of the day, he would package the food up, and someone would come by to get it, I don't know where they were from, the Womens Shelter, the Salvation Army, homeless shelter, or, whatI don't know, but they came with coolers, to take it to their chairty.
Every Friday, at the Islamic Center, they prepare a large meal. The local community, anyone who wants to eat, is fed, along with their members. I was thinking how good it would be for those churches who claim to be Christian, were to open their centers, once a week, at least, and feed those in need, along with their congregation. I met a man from Washington, D.C. He was an CIA analyst. A great guy. He exposed Rumsfeld in public for the liar that he was, and it was on national television. He came to speak in the area, and I was in charge of providing security for him while here. He told me that he belonged to a church in Washington, D. C. They had a beautiful church building. On several ocassions, the subject of how they could better serve the Lord came up. Someone suggested that they move their church to where the greatest need was. They decided to go into the poorest area of D.C. and make their church there. They did. They are carrying out Christ's message to us to care for the poor, to serve our fellow man, to love our neighbor as ourselves, and to be at peace. That is why I get so mad at people who claim that they are christian, but who want to turn the Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya into a sheet of glass by nuking them. That is not Christian. Especially, when none of those people ever did a thing to us. It is a sin to murder. To kill people who have not threatened you, who have never done a thing to you, is a grievious sin. I often wonder how people who are so festered with hate for people who never harmed them will explain their support for killing the innocent when they are being judged by God. This nation has become one of evil, of torture, of rape, murder and depravity in killing the innocent, occupying thier homes, and stealing their resources for the ultra rich Wall Street Bankers, oil speculators, and hedge fund managers, along with other evil, imperialist, globalist scum.
SOME NOT SO NICE REFERENCES TO JESUS IN THE JEWISH TALMUD....
The master said: Jesus the Nazarene practiced magic and deceived and led Israel astray. [52][53] [54][55]
"Jesus son of Stada is Jesus son of Pandira?" Rav Hisda said, "The husband was Stada and the lover was Pandera." "But was not the husband Pappos son of Yehuda and the mother Stada?" No, his mother was Miriam, who let her hair grow long and was called Stada. Pumbedita says about her: "She was unfaithful to her husband." [56][57][58][59]
On (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover, Jesus the Nazarene was hanged and a herald went forth before him forty days heralding, "Jesus the Nazarene is going forth to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and instigated and seduced Israel to idolatry. Whoever knows anything in defense may come and state it." But since they did not find anything in his defense they hanged him on (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover. Ulla said: "Do you suppose that Jesus the Nazarene was one for whom a defense could be made? He was a mesit (someone who instigated Israel to idolatry), concerning whom the Merciful [God] says: Show him no compassion and do not shield him (Deut. 13:9). With Jesus the Nazarene it was different. For he was close to the government.[49][60][61][62]
[edit] Specific ReferencesA sorcerer Sanhedrin 43a[63] relates the trial and execution of a sorcerer named Jesus ("Yeshu" in Hebrew) and his five disciples. The sorcerer is stoned and hanged on the Eve of Passover.[64]
Student paying too much attention to an inn-keepers wife Sanhedrin 107[65] tells of a Jesus ("Yeshu") "offended his teacher by paying too much attention to the inn-keeper's wife. Jesus wished to be forgiven, but [his rabbi] was too slow to forgive him, and Jesus in despair went away and put up a brick [idol] and worshipped it."[66]
Boiled in excrement In Gittin 56b, 57a[67] a story is mentioned in which Onkelos summons up the spirit of a Yeshu who sought to harm Israel. He describes his punishment in the afterlife as boiling in excrement.[68][69]
"May his name and memory be blotted out" Some critics claim that the Hebrew name Yeshu is not a short form of the name Yeshua, but rather an acrostic for the Hebrew phrase "may his name and memory be blotted out" created by taking the first letter of the Hebrew words.[70]
In addition, at the 1240 Disputation in Paris, Donin presented the allegation that the Talmud was blasphemous towards Mary, the mother of Jesus, ("Miriam" in Hebrew) and this criticism has been repeated by many Christian sources.[71] The texts cited by critics include Sanhedrin 67a,[72] Sanhedrin 106a,[73] and Shabbath 104b.[74] However, the references to Mary are not specific, and some assert that they do not refer to Jesus' mother, or perhaps refer to Mary Magdalen.[75]
[edit] SummaryScholars have identified the following references in the Talmud that some conclude refer to Jesus, regarded as the messiah of Christiainty:[76]
Jesus as a sorcerer with disciples (b Sanh 43a-b)
Healing in the name of Jesus (Hul 2:22f; AZ 2:22/12; y Shab 124:4/13; QohR 1:8; b AZ 27b)
As a torah teacher (b AZ 17a; Hul 2:24; QohR 1:
As a son or disciple that turned out badly (Sanh 193a/b; Ber 17b)
As a frivolous disciple who practiced magic and turned to idolatry(Sanh 107b; Sot 47a)
Jesus' punishment in hell (b Git 56b, 57a)
Jesus' execution (b Sanh 43a-b)
Jesus as the son of Mary (Shab 104b, Sanh 67a)
[edit] As a sorcerer with disciplesSanhedrin 43a relates the trial and execution of Jesus and his five disciples.[77] Here, Jesus is a sorcerer who has enticed other Jews to apostasy. A herald is sent to call for witnesses in his favour for forty days before his execution. No one comes forth and in the end he is stoned and hanged on the Eve of Passover. His five disciples, named Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah are then tried. Word play is made on each of their names, and they are executed. It is mentioned that leniency could not be applied because of Jesus' influence with the royal government (malkhut). The passages that specifically mention Jesus, as the messiah of Christianity, are:[78]
Babylonian Sanhedrin 43a-b "Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples" (Editions or MSs: Herzog 1, Firenze II.1.89, Karlsruhe 2)
The entire passage is: Our rabbis taught Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples, and these are they: Mattai, Naqqai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah. [50][79]
Onkelos son of Kolonikos ... went and raised Titus from the dead by magical arts, and asked him; 'Who is most in repute in the [other] world? He replied: Israel. What then, he said, about joining them? He said: Their observances are burdensome and you will not be able to carry them out. Go and attack them in that world and you will be at the top as it is written, Her adversaries are become the head etc.; whoever harasses Israel becomes head. He asked him: What is your punishment [in the other world]? He replied: What I decreed for myself. Every day my ashes are collected and sentence is passed on me and I am burnt and my ashes are scattered over the seven seas. He then went and raised Balaam by incantations. He asked him: Who is in repute in the other world? He replied: Israel. What then, he said, about joining them? He replied: Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy days for ever. He then asked: What is your punishment? He replied: With boiling hot semen. He then went and raised by incantations Jesus [in Vilna edition: "the sinners of Israel"; "Jesus" appears in Munich 95 and Vatican 130, 140 manuscripts]. May God have mercey on your souls.He asked them: Who is in repute in the other world? They replied: Israel. What about joining them? They replied: Seek their welfare, seek not their harm. Whoever touches them touches the apple of his eye. He said: What is your punishment? They replied: With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said: Whoever mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot excrement. Observe the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the other nations who worship idols. It has been taught: Note from this incident how serious a thing it is to put a man to shame, for God espoused the cause of Bar Kamza and destroyed His House and burnt His Temple.
Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 56b-57a
FOLLOWING ARE NOT MY WORDS, but from the references to Jesus in the Jewish Talmud located at the link at the end of this paragraph.
"The JEWISH TALMUD further states.... " In some of the texts, the father produced a son with a woman named Mary (Miriam in Hebrew). Several of the texts indicate that the mother was not married to Pandera, and was committing adultery and by implication Jesus was a bastard child".[9 REFERENCE: for this Talmudic claim can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
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