Memorials sounding off like silver?

[DirtFlipper]

Howdy,

On some of my hunts, I've been encountering 1960's Memorials that sound very, very similiar to silver - including pegging the cursor halfway off the screen. More than once, I've prepared a nice healthy plug so as to not scratch a screaming silver quarter, only to find a Memorial sitting there. It seems to be specific to 1960's Memorials so far, and the sound/cursor repeats even at angles. Might just be my wishful thinking ears, but it's happened enough now that I'm starting to wonder.

Anyone else encounter this behavior? I suppose it could be due to the ground having more moisture in it.

HH,
DirtFlipper

 

[raweppler]

I notice the same thing as well. I have an Explorer II. I get fooled a lot by Memorials acting like silver. Most times though they hit just below the silver range. It is definitely tricky.

 

[captn_se]

I can't tell you how many '60's memorials I have dug, thinking they could be a silver dime. Way, way too many!! I dig them all, because they are in the same strata as the Rosies and some Mercs.

To me, there's a difference between silver dimes/Memorial and clad/silver quarters. The quarters peg in the far right corner of the Explorer, whereas silver dimes will be half-way off the top of the smartfind, but not in the far right corner. I've never had a '60 Memorial peg in the upper right corner like a quarter will, but many, many times, it will be identical to a silver dime.

The only thing I like about early 60's Mems ('59-'65) is that they were struck very well(lots of detail, date, etc.), and seem to hold up in the ground a lot better than 40's-'50's wheaties do. The later '60's Mems seem to be weakly struck.

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

 

[Philo_NY]

Guys

A lot has to do with how you have set up your Explorer, but... My hunter partner Rick as always said when we go out after a rain fall, that he hopes he doesn't encounter too many memorials while hunting because they sound just like Silver... Having your variable set at 10 will only help memorials to sound like silver even more. I'm going to try to discriminate one of these memorials that came in like silver, and see if it will effect how many silver dimes will be effected as far as wear, position in the soil...etc... I've been using the conduct and ferrous numbers to determine if a indeed a memorial is a memorial or silver, and it has helped a lot. The tricky ones are the ones that come in at 3-28, and between 4-8, 28, because I have dug rosies with these numbers... Hope this helps, and I'll up date when I do the other tests... HH...

Philo_NY

PS Here's a bonus pic of some of this years goodies...

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Pre 1983 can be a problem but usually using audio, cursor and number it cuts down the pennies..If its deep going after it anyway as nothing definite when you have a worn coin, next to junk, tilted etc.....always remember my hunting buddy using an XLT getting a nice seated dime at 64 when regular reading is 79-80 so one never knows and those that investigate get the goodies others walk over...

 

[Philo_NY]

n/t

 

[Erik in NJ]

That's one thing I don't like about the Explorer - there's such a small pitch difference between Memorial cent/clad & silver dimes and worn silver can sound just like a cent. Someone said setting ur variability to 10 worsens the effect, I disagree, the higher the variability the more of a pitch difference between slightly different cursor positions. I still use 8, but feel a switch to 10 is in order soon. Go to Erik's Audio World and take a listen!

 

[DirtFlipper]

Well, it 'sounds' like I'm not alone in these Memorials behaving this way. I wonder if it's related to the removal of tin from the composition in 1962? Then maybe with that strata of Memorials being just a bit deeper than the 70's cents, it creates this 'silver-like' effect?

Oh well, I still recover anything that sounds good and has depth. And I've yet to find a 1962 Memorial cent from the Philadelphia mint! (Also missing a 1969 plain for that matter). I filled up a Memorial cent book from about the first year I started detecting a decade ago, and to this day have not found those two. Got '60 and '60-D large/small date, and may even have the '70-S small date, but for some reason those two plain cents have eluded me. Not that I've gone out of my way to pull Memorials, but still...

Thanks for the corraborating info.

HH,
DirtFlipper

 

[Chris(SoCenWI)]

Gets frustrating to keep thinking you have a nice silver coin and only dig up a mem. I know some of the sites where this happened were frequently flood, all the coins had a real reddish tinge. I have seen it in other places too, where I am not certain why this occurs. 98% of the time this is not an issue.

Chris

 

[Hombre]

n/t

 

[Hotcz70]

the cursor will not "peg" anywhere. In fact it does the opposite on most that I've dug in that depth range.

It flutters along the top right edge from far right...towards center...then flutters back to the top right corner.

Usually the 60's memorials WILL peg somewhere top right like shallow silver in the 7" range...and just sit there...usually buried in the corner.

Memorials also give me a more sharp, hollow, high pitch hit whereas deep silver will give more of a "tinkling", "warbly" sound.

Does this always hold true?.....NO...but we all hear different sounds depending on what settings we run...and we all interperet said sounds in different ways too.

If I'm ever in doubt...I dig anyway....and sure...sometimes I get punked by a memorial.

I usually use the depth meter as the final decision on what I think might be a memorial instead of silver too. My rule of thumb is...if it's showing 6" or more...I'm diggin' amyway.

The key for me though isn't watching the cursor peg somewhere...because that hints to me that it has more of a chance to be a memorial than a silver.

The key for me is #1...more of a "warbly", "tinkling" sound...and #2...actually hoping to see some cursor "flutter" along the top right side.

#3..depth is the final decision maker.

This is just what works best for me personally though..and it "ain't foolproof by no means"...and might not be of any use to anyone else....but it works pretty well for me.

Also...I'm talking about the deeper hits not pegging the cursor. On hits 7" or less...then sure the cursor will pretty much peg on both silver and memorials.

 

[Dave-IL]

I'm usually not lucky enough to find anything underneath the memorial except another memorial but I do dig them most of the time.