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Multi-Tone Program Help

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I have seen several programs where the first two tones out of the three or four are set to a low (undesirable) frequency. For instance here is an example from an early post:
Disc = 1.0
3 Tones
Tone 1 = 202 Hz
Tone 2 = 204 Hz
Tone 3 = 786 Hz
Tone 1 = 0-1
Tone 2/Tone 3 = 40
Sens = 93 (but set to your ground conditions)
TX Power = 2
Freq = 12 kHz
Iron Vol = 2
Reactivity = 1 for clean conditions - use higher if you have lots of iron
Silencer = 1
Audio Resp = 3
Audio Overload = 1
Ground Manual = 85 (the screen shows 78 - 84 in my area)
Everything 40 and over is a high tone so you dig, and everything under 40 is a low tone - which I don't dig.

What I don't understand is why have two tones that give a bad response(Tone 1 & 2). Why not use a two tone program that assigns Tone 1 of 202 Hz to the entire range of 0 - 40?

BTW - My apologies to the unknown author of this program because I cannot give the credit due.

Thanks and HH.
 
Not sure why someone would set them that close, I don't believe the 2 khz tonal difference would be audibly discernible to most folks ?! That's the nice thing about the Deus, you can set it however you want.
 
This program is designed to give better performance because discrimination set at 1 and every target that is not discriminated from 2 to 40 will be in the low tone range. The first tone will always show your discrimination, for example; if you set disc. at 8, the first tone will sound from 0 to 8. I don
 
Iron volume is also tied to the discrimination settings. If you have your discrimination set really low say 1 or 2 you will actually recieve the next highest tone for some iron.

Silencer is also tied to discrimination. It is also tied to the reactivity or recovery speed setting. Too much silencer is not good.

The Deus is a wonderful machine. Most of us are expecting the firmware update around the end of the year. If any of the new software will address settings being tied to discrimination is unknown. I will tell you that I get the best results out of the Deus (or I did I traded mine in) running zero discrimination and using the tones to judge targets. This is not always practicle and can make your brain tired, but the Deus is unmatched by any other detector while using these settings. Especially in the iron and trash.
 
Hi,
I'm gonna try to give you my french (coz' yes I am ;) ) program to go deeply in the soil without losing powerful :

tone 1 : 0
tone 2: 0 to 10- 200Hz
tone 3 : 10 to 98 - 791 Hz
tone 4: 98 to 99 - 200Hz (big ferrous are mostly rejected)

Silencer : -1 (silencer is quite like a another discrimination, so i put it on -1)
Tone ferrous : 0
Frequency : as you want, 8 Khz for big targets, 18 Khz for little targets
Reactivity : as you want 0/1 to go deep and 3/4/5 to get shallow targets

Now, you've got a 0 discrimination Deus with an auditive discrimination until 10 (ferrous conductivities area) with a max of power, then you just have to optimize the groud effect, and it's gonna rock!
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Bye
 
Hi - for USA detecting, nothing and I mean nothing (for me) has ever been a good non-ferrous keeper find with a TID under a 40. Even a tiny 7mm Mexican dos peso gold coin is a 48-50 at 12kHz.

So to have everything over a 10 as a high tone is not necessarily good advice for USA detecting. Even in the UK, nothing under a 29 is typically any good...

So I have my "keepers" high tone set for 40+ in the USA...just to hear those marginal tones at depth when the TID comes up lower than the true read at close depth. In the farm fields I usually only dig a 60 or better anyway...
 
HI,
yeah for sure ,but you can adjust the 2nd tone to 40 at 791Hz for the USA, and keep the discri at 0, this is all the trick is about :)
 
YES - totally agreed. Using 0 discrimination gets max depth but it's noisy. I've settled into using 2.0 discrimination for the farm fields.
 
Thanks TreeBeard!

It all makes sense explained like that. I would be interested in what other US users have experienced regarding the low tone cut-off frequency. Is 40 too high? Is 10 too low?

Barry explained above that his experience is a cut-off of 40 is about right, here in the US. I have read where good targets adjacent to ferrous can have their numbers (and therefore tone) reduced to the iron range. How common is this and is it likely to pull the numbers below 40?

Also, do you have separate programs saved for 8, 12 and 18 kHz or do you adjust a single program based on the site conditions?

Thanks guys, great info.
 
Ferrous targets next to good targets will drag the good targets numbers down but not into the ferrous range, the trick is to learn and listen to the tones. I don
 
Very interesting video. Can you help with translation? What program was he using? I assume that was a hot rock he placed over the coin. Thanks for sharing your information. Some of the situations I hunt in are old town sites full of nails and can slaw and 0 discrimination is a little bit too noisy to hunt with all day long but if one can tolerate the noise it may be worth it. My area has no hot rocks. I have gone over areas a second time with 0 discrimination and didn
 
Looks like a great video...
I kind of get the concept..
Wish I knew French...
 
Ok folks,
I'm gonna try to summarize this video:

in the 1st time the guy reminds an another video where he has shown that the 18 KHz is the better way to go through a mineralized soil,
in the 2nd time, the guy decreased the disc from 7.2 to 0 where he shows that we can ear the sound of a french copper coin of 1,5 cm of diameter at about 30 cm over a roman brick (which is a very mineralized item as a hot rock) at 0 of disc.

At the end, he says that of course PI are very powerful because they don't have a high level of disc but this VLF at 0 of disc is as powerful as a PI with a very good discrimination (he is specially talking about the Deus and it's capacity to have an auditive discrimination).

Regards
 
Hi,
there's a lot of french videos on the Deus, but it's gonna be such a work to summarize each of them for all of you folks, maybe if you think about a particular topic I can make a selection of videos (I don't know if I'm right if I put a "s" on video sorry) :)

See ya!
 
JBM said:
Keep your eyes and ears open for a Deus video before too long.:beers: Jerry.
Click to expand...

Any other hints???? Will it becoming from our friends in Europe / UK or closer to home?

Any possibility that Santa might be able to deliver a copy????

Barry
 
Thanks treebeard. We are always open for suggestions.:thumbup:
 
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