Nailed it!

[BillF]

Spent a couple of hours at our oldest park here with the Vaquero. 56 acres, started around 1880. Used to have Chinese farmers farming both sides of the creek running through it.
Went in with the idea of listening for old deep coins, out around the outer fringes where others with detectors may not have spent much time. Started getting good repeatable signals, deep. For the next couple of hours the only thing I dug was nails. I couldn't disc them out, tried turning down sense,threshold, making GB adjustments. Nothing made these disc out. Some of these were as deep as 9" and as small as finishing nails.
The sad part is, they weren't square cut so I don't know how old they were, I don't know for sure if there might be coins deeper than these nails. I have to believe if they are there, the V will find them.
This machine really goes deep with good solid sound, but damn I'm tired of finding nails!
On a positive note, after the nail fest I hit an old house that I figured I had cleaned out but surprized myself with another silver nickel and a '30 wheat. Not a total loss for the day.

 

[BarberBill]

Your first hunt was the kind that gives up a nice goodie after you're totally frustrated with the trash. Bet if you stay with it, you'll end up rewarded.
BB

 

[BillF]

I intend to Bill. I' ve been to this park a couple of times with the same results. Once, just once I pulled a wheatie outta them thar nails. I think I need to research where the oldest part is and go from there, maybe the library will have more info.

 

[MarkCZ]

Spent a couple of hours at our oldest park here with the Vaquero. 56 acres, started around 1880. Used to have Chinese farmers farming both sides of the creek running through it.
Went in with the idea of listening for old deep coins, out around the outer fringes where others with detectors may not have spent much time. Started getting good repeatable signals, deep. For the next couple of hours the only thing I dug was nails. I couldn't disc them out, tried turning down sense,threshold, making GB adjustments. Nothing made these disc out. Some of these were as deep as 9" and as small as finishing nails.
The sad part is, they weren't square cut so I don't know how old they were, I don't know for sure if there might be coins deeper than these nails. I have to believe if they are there, the V will find them.
This machine really goes deep with good solid sound, but damn I'm tired of finding nails!
On a positive note, after the nail fest I hit an old house that I figured I had cleaned out but surprized myself with another silver nickel and a '30 wheat. Not a total loss for the day.

I have found that with my Vaquero if I'm running it hot enough to detect beyond 6" that it doesn't discriminate well, or to say beyond 6" its more of a relic machine.

But, I'm okay with that because I got it for shallow jewelry hunting down to no more than 4" so, I can keep my settings really mild.
In my yard it seemed to miss nails and other small rusty iron items really well and the settings I used were,
Threshold = 1:00 (clock face)
Sensitivity = # 7
Disc = notch between iron and nickel

From my testing the Vaquero has a Huge detection field that extends well beyond its limit or range of discrimination, it will pick up my pro-pointer (and it turned off) from like two feet or more, it will hit on a four or five inch piece of rusty tin at a couple of feet as well.
So, its early yet for me, but I'm finding the Vaquero very interesting for sure.

I've found that about all the detectors I've owned has a larger total detection field than their actual range of useable discrimination field, but the Vaquero is really the most spread in that area I've ever seen.

I just have to remember that its not my deep coin detector, it has another purpose and I'm not saying it couldn't be used for that, its just not what I bought it for.

Mark

Mark

 

[BillF]

Mark, I set this about the same as you had, only sense was at 6. Tried a little more pos and a little more neg GB on every signal I dug. Didn't matter. I have had or used 8 or 10 machines over the years and the V is the deepest. I have been finding great stuff with the V, my mind set is just starting think that maybe its more of a relic machine than a coin hunter.
I also think that with your V turned way down, you will be digging signals a whole lot deeper than you expect to. Just curious though, why did you buy a deep machine to hunt shallow jewelry? Why not a Compadre at 1/3rd the cost?

 

[GunnarMN]

thats cool you found a war nickle. I have never found one of those, 1942- thru 1945 ?

 

[BillF]

Gunnar, I've found 6 of them so far this year. Several Mercs and Rosie's. 70 wheaties and NOT one IH or silver quarter. Haven't found one of either of those for several years now.

 

[MarkCZ]

Mark, I set this about the same as you had, only sense was at 6. Tried a little more pos and a little more neg GB on every signal I dug. Didn't matter. I have had or used 8 or 10 machines over the years and the V is the deepest. I have been finding great stuff with the V, my mind set is just starting think that maybe its more of a relic machine than a coin hunter.
I also think that with your V turned way down, you will be digging signals a whole lot deeper than you expect to. Just curious though, why did you buy a deep machine to hunt shallow jewelry? Why not a Compadre at 1/3rd the cost?

Well, I wanted a Tejon (my brother Ron has one of those) but it didn't look like one was going to showed up used in my price range.

I sold two detectors, one to help out with some dental surgery, the other because I had two of them and I thought I would turn that one into a used Tesoro for around $300.00
I didn't consider the Compadre because in the Tesoro class of detectors its in the entry level line, coils are hard wired, ect.. (the V I got has two coils)
Most of my detectors over the years have been mid to upper range units so I wasn't looking for a $150.00 detector and the next models up were just a tad out of my price range so a deal came along for the "V" and I bought it. For what I really plan on doing the New Tone Golden uMax may have been the better choice??
But, I would still like to work it out somehow for a Tejon, but I don't see that happening now.

Also, at those settings my "V" will not hit my 8" coin garden, but it hits good on my 6" nickel garden.

Mark

 

[BillF]

Mark, I can see what your saying to a degree, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me to turn an expensive machine into a surface hunter, but it wasn't me buying it, soooo there you go.
Those nails were hitting almost like they down 3-4 inches.I usually walk all the way around my target, always have, and most all of these gave a solid signal the whole way. Lately I have been getting the same type signal and pulling a coin out of the same hole as a nail. Maybe if I had picked up a couple of coins I might have been able to tell a difference in tone, but not this weekend. I seriously have to learn to just accept it because I'm keeping the V.

 

[BarryL]

Bill did a stint with my Vaq this past weekend dug lots of iron and tiny small nails till I was sick of nails but kept going and did hit a strong signal and dug a old 38 case from the early 1900's and move the vaq about two inches and hit another target in the same hole another 2 inches turned out to be an 1903 indian My first The Vaq has a place relics and coins I hope to learn it like the Bible it is a good detector and yes it will hit tiny nails at over 9 inches so I guess around the old homestaeds I hunt I better be ready to dig them nails Hope yours works for you as well

 

[BillF]

Barry, that is why I'm going to keep it. It is frustrating to dig that deep with a knife, would much rather use a small shovel, but I wont do that in a park. There are some things I would make different on the V, but I think everybody here has their wish list of what they want in their detectors.
I wasn't using the 5.75 on this hunt, wish I was, maybe there was good stuff being masked.
One of my favorite machines was a Garrett

 

[MarkCZ]

Mark, I can see what your saying to a degree, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me to turn an expensive machine into a surface hunter, but it wasn't me buying it, soooo there you go.
Those nails were hitting almost like they down 3-4 inches.I usually walk all the way around my target, always have, and most all of these gave a solid signal the whole way. Lately I have been getting the same type signal and pulling a coin out of the same hole as a nail. Maybe if I had picked up a couple of coins I might have been able to tell a difference in tone, but not this weekend. I seriously have to learn to just accept it because I'm keeping the V.

Well, I went after a Tesoro because of all the reports of them being really good at hitting jewelry (Gold), and seeing how units with ID meters don't really help much with hunting jewelry I wanted to get into as much of a Tesoro as I could get for the money I had.
Like I said a Golden uMax may have been more of what I needed.

If I hunt deep, I'm not going to try for jewelry or relics, just coins and I have other detectors for that long before I jumped on the Tesoro boat LoL! but everybody kept telling me how much the Tesoro's love gold, so I traded a $300.00 Metered machine for a $300.00 Beep & Dig that is supposed to love Gold, will see.

Mark

 

[BarryL]

Barry, that is why I'm going to keep it. It is frustrating to dig that deep with a knife, would much rather use a small shovel, but I wont do that in a park. There are some things I would make different on the V, but I think everybody here has their wish list of what they want in their detectors.
I wasn't using the 5.75 on this hunt, wish I was, maybe there was good stuff being masked.
One of my favorite machines was a Garrett

 

[BillF]

Mark, when my V finds its first "good" gold, I'll be sure to let you know how sweet it sounds.

 

[hatpin]

Been digging lots of nails this past week myself. I can usually tell they are a nail because they are hard to pinpoint, but I have to dig them just in case.

 

[DigDugNY]

I think thats just the way things are...I was using my Eagle Spectrum earlier today and was finding nails pretty deep that were reading as good signals even on an ID machine...the nails in this area are old and it doesnt surprise me. I just realize detectors aren't perfect and dig up what sounds good. It gets annoying, but I found a 1960 Rosie so I can't complain for the day

 

[hatpin]

Barry, that is why I'm going to keep it. It is frustrating to dig that deep with a knife, would much rather use a small shovel, but I wont do that in a park. There are some things I would make different on the V, but I think everybody here has their wish list of what they want in their detectors.
I wasn't using the 5.75 on this hunt, wish I was, maybe there was good stuff being masked.
One of my favorite machines was a Garrett

 

[Hombre]

Hey Bill

If you go over to Monte's forum (ahrps.org) Home page, then click on tips/techniques, and then click on Audio Target Classification, he has some great coil techniques to classify iron with. It might help, definitely a good read.

 

[BillF]

I'll do that.

 

[Idxpro]

Mark, I can see what your saying to a degree, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me to turn an expensive machine into a surface hunter, but it wasn't me buying it, soooo there you go.
Those nails were hitting almost like they down 3-4 inches.I usually walk all the way around my target, always have, and most all of these gave a solid signal the whole way. Lately I have been getting the same type signal and pulling a coin out of the same hole as a nail. Maybe if I had picked up a couple of coins I might have been able to tell a difference in tone, but not this weekend. I seriously have to learn to just accept it because I'm keeping the V.

Well, I went after a Tesoro because of all the reports of them being really good at hitting jewelry (Gold), and seeing how units with ID meters don't really help much with hunting jewelry I wanted to get into as much of a Tesoro as I could get for the money I had.
Like I said a Golden uMax may have been more of what I needed.

If I hunt deep, I'm not going to try for jewelry or relics, just coins and I have other detectors for that long before I jumped on the Tesoro boat LoL! but everybody kept telling me how much the Tesoro's love gold, so I traded a $300.00 Metered machine for a $300.00 Beep & Dig that is supposed to love Gold, will see.

Mark

Mark, I don't own the V, but will say the Outlaw hits much, much, harder on gold and anything in the nickel range much harder and deeper than silver and copper clad. Even on a setting of sensitivity of 3 i still dig 6" pull tabs all day long loud and clear with the 5.75" coil. My buddy has the V and it's a little deaperin disc mode when running hot.. What I've noticed though, is it doesnt disc very well when running hot. With that said, the Outlaw in no motion all metal reaches much deaper than the V supertuned at which point the disc means nothing in either machine. Not that i've ever found gold deeper than maybe 4" at best. I'm blabbing again....man I gotta get out and hunt...