New to me std F75 heading my way

[WV62]

I just got a pretty good deal on a std F75 and I have owned the F75ltd in the past. I was reading through the manual just to kind get back up to speed on this machine. I came across a statement that I remembered for the 75LTD days and I didn't understand how this could be true than or now. I have copied and pasted from the manual, I thought somebody out there could explain how this could be.

I am thinking when the machine gets here I will make me a test stick attaching a coin in the middle and then some trash on both sides and see if I can work out this full sweep deal. In the past I know I was doing what it says not to do and that is loiter over the target.

I do understand what is stated but not how this works, it seems to me that even if it detects a good target a junk target near by would kill it. I know this machine is noted for its fast recovery speed but what you actually see on the meter is the last item under the coil.

Ron in WV

From page 29 of the manual:
CHECKING A TARGET
In order to most accurately verify a detected target with most other metal detectors, users will
narrow their sweep and loiter over the top of the target. The F75 is different. The F75's quick
response and advanced signal sampling system produces the most accurate target IDs with
deliberate (shoulder width) sweeps all the way across the target, even if there are other
targets nearby. If you check targets using sweep techniques learned on some other detectors,
you run the risk of getting less accurate target IDs. You can use the confidence level indicator
to improve your technique.

 

[therover]

Was a super deal and the unit looked new. Good luck with it.

 

[WV62]

Yell I thought it was a pretty good deal and I jumped on it pretty quick. I was having computer trouble and couldn't get anything to post, after I got notice that it was mine I went back to take a look at what I bought but it was already gone. So I hope you are right about it looking new. The guy was nice to deal with, we worked out the shipping cost and then today he shipped it and he sent back half the shipping cost. He just said it didn't cost as much to send as he expected.

Ron in WV

 

[Elton]

Continuous Processing
The detector processes a continuous signal response throughout the duration of the sweep of the
searchcoil over the target. All characteristics of the target are audibly communicated to the user.
Continuous processing gives a good feel for the size, depth, and shape of the target. Continuous
processing is preferred, for example, for relic hunting, especially in plowed or rocky ground.



Sampled Processing
Sampling takes a snapshot of the signal at its strongest point. This compromises the feel of a
continuous response, but provides for more accurate Target Identification. Sampling also
eliminates confusion caused by changes in tones during the sweep over the target. Sampling
is preferred, for example, when coinshooting in areas where there is aluminum trash.

Shoulder to shoulder allowes this processing to happen...

 

[WV62]

Continuous Processing
The detector processes a continuous signal response throughout the duration of the sweep of the
searchcoil over the target. All characteristics of the target are audibly communicated to the user.
Continuous processing gives a good feel for the size, depth, and shape of the target. Continuous
processing is preferred, for example, for relic hunting, especially in plowed or rocky ground.


Sampled Processing
Sampling takes a snapshot of the signal at its strongest point. This compromises the feel of a
continuous response, but provides for more accurate Target Identification. Sampling also
eliminates confusion caused by changes in tones during the sweep over the target. Sampling
is preferred, for example, when coinshooting in areas where there is aluminum trash.

Shoulder to shoulder allowes this processing to happen...

So for me I take it that the F75 is doing the Sampled Processing and when they talk about other detectors they are refereeing to Continuous Processing. In the Sampled Processing are we talking audible or meter readings?
If I was to build my test stick or just put the items on the ground give me a general idea what it should look like, target spacing, arrangement, and as I sweep the coil over the stick what should I hear?

Now a little help for your shoulder, I know you were concerned about being attached to a detector and I am the same way, I want to separate myself from the sling and only use it during the sweeping process. I am posting the pictures again just in case you haven't seen them in other post that I have made. Take note of open hook and the wire tie loop at the base of the hand grip. Most of the time as I bend down to dig the hook and loop separate on there own, but if they don't it super easy and quick to unhook by hand. Then when you pick up the detector it becomes natural to hook back up on your way up.
Once you use it for a while you think it isn't doing anything, so just forget to hook up and take a couple of swings, you will remember to hook up.
If you make one of these slings the last thing you need to do is the adjustment to take off as much weight of the detector as you want. So that is a try and adjust deal, you can even adjust so you are pushing the detector down if you want. But for me I like to take off about 3/4 of the weight.
Try it you will like it.

Ron in WV

 

[Elton]

That looks like a nice set up...........Sampled is final analysis and most likely meter reading after processor interprets all characteristics audibly .At the strongest reading, it snapshots the item then gives the ID reading along with the best audible interpretation...It may be brief..and you have to watch for that high number reading..and listen for the high tone from the continuous at the same time. Special note Audio and ID may not always agree.They are separate functions... independent of each other on the 75's...

If you get the high tone sound..that is when you want to go back over shoulder to shoulder swing and look for the ID on meter.... Put both results together and this helps you determine to dig deep targets or not.. Myself if over 6" I dig all targets...... Old pull tabs from the first made 60's run will almost always give a high tone..and high meter reading.. The confidence meter helps eliminate digging these as it usually runs lower.

You must hit the middle of the coil for sampling to be correct.... watching the confidence meter helps you learn to swing properly for the best readings.. In fact getting that reading right improves your swinging every time..


Answer maybe to your question..

Continuous Processing
The detector processes a continuous signal response throughout the duration of the sweep of the
searchcoil over the target. [size=large]All characteristics of the target are audibly communicated to the user.
Continuous processing gives a good feel for the size[/size], depth, and shape of the target. Continuous
processing is preferred, for example, for relic hunting, especially in plowed or rocky ground.



Sampled Processing
Sampling takes a snapshot of the signal at its strongest point. This compromises the feel of a
continuous response, but provides for more accurate Target Identification. Sampling also
eliminates confusion caused by changes in tones during the sweep over the target. Sampling
is preferred, for example, when coinshooting in areas where there is aluminum trash.

Shoulder to shoulder allowes this processing to happen...

 

[HighPlainsHunter]

That looks like a nice set up...........Sampled is the most likely meter reading..It may be brief..and you have to watch for that high number reading..and listen for the high tone from the continuous at the same time.

If you get the high tone sound..that is when you want to go back over shoulder to shoulder swing and look for the ID on meter.... Put both results together and this helps you determine to dig deep targets or not.. Myself if over 6" I dig all targets...... Old pull tabs from the first made 60's run will almost always give a high tone..and high meter reading.. The consistency meter helps eliminate digging these as it usually runs lower.

You must hit the middle of the coil for sampling to be correct.... watching the consistency meter helps you learn to swing properly for the best readings.. In fact getting that reading right improves your swinging every time..


Answer maybe to your question..

Continuous Processing
The detector processes a continuous signal response throughout the duration of the sweep of the
searchcoil over the target. [size=large]All characteristics of the target are audibly communicated to the user.
Continuous processing gives a good feel for the size[/size], depth, and shape of the target. Continuous
processing is preferred, for example, for relic hunting, especially in plowed or rocky ground.



Sampled Processing
Sampling takes a snapshot of the signal at its strongest point. This compromises the feel of a
continuous response, but provides for more accurate Target Identification. Sampling also
eliminates confusion caused by changes in tones during the sweep over the target. Sampling
is preferred, for example, when coinshooting in areas where there is aluminum trash.

Shoulder to shoulder allowes this processing to happen...

[size=large]Hey Elton,

Is the consistency meter you are referring to the same as the confidence meter, or is that something else?

Thanks,
HighPlainsHunter[/size]

 

[Elton]

I changed it for others that read this post..Thanks for pointing out my error on proper name ..

Can I say "Confidence" ten times ...............

 

[WV62]

Elton you gave us some pretty good info I think and I thank you for taking the time to spoon feed this to me.

I actually think I am starting to understand my original question. Now when the detector gets here (tomorrow I hope) I will try to get the hands on part and see for myself. This could make a real difference from my first go around with F75Ltd.

Ron in WV

 

[HighPlainsHunter]

Elton, thanks for clearing that up. I'm new to the F75 (haven't been able to even take it out due to the weather), and wasn't sure if there was another meter that I was unaware of. Glad we're on the same page.

You, sir, are far from an idiot. You are a very helpful contributor to the understanding of this detector. I've read many of your posts, and have learned a lot from them.

Thanks, and good hunting,
HighPlainsHunter

 

[Elton]

Thank you Highplains ...This from Fisher about sampling

WHAT YOU SEE VS. WHAT YOU HEAR
The visual target [size=large]ID displayed on the LCD is based entirely on sampled processing[/size]; the
number displayed represents a snapshot of the target

 

[WV62]

Elton,

I will check that later today, it should be here about 4:00.

Thanks Ron

 

[WV62]

Correction I missed the mail man so it will be tomorrow.

Man I hate that.

Ron in WV