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NJ metal detecting under attack

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The government of Nj have back doored a new bill. Everyone needs to be aware of it it could happen in your state.
This bill A1930 Really leaves only beach's and private lands. Visit the NJ site search Bill A1930.
See what it really has to say. And feel free to pass this around the net.
Thanks,
 
so the new jersey politburo is at it again. anything that can even be remotely considered enjoyable in this state is being outlawed or taxed to the point where it is not enjoyable any longer. i own a summer house in jersey and am seriously considering selling it because of the high taxation and draconian laws that the dimwits in trenton keep passing. i recently had to make a trip to north jersey and couldnt find one single person that spoke english for directions. keep up the good work trenton, maybe we should rename the town moscow (west). i can certainly understand protecting the state's archelogigal sites but unfortunately in reality they are landfills from new york and philadelphia. these legislators are busy at work dealing with these weighty issues and ignoring the mundane like hypodermic syringes on public beaches and ecoli bacteria in the water. keep up the good work comrades.
 
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That's a pretty amazing read... Sounds like something out of Nazi Germany... I'd be doing some serious bitching... Guvner..
 
I read the bill and was VERY offended by it, they paint us as theifs and uneducated morons. The bill was also very carefully worded, the top portion of the bill seems very limited in scope, "certain prehistoric sites". I bet most senators and assembly persons read only the top and figured well this seems reasonable. But if you read further down clearly the intent is to make all public lands off limits and the penalties are quite severe.
Here's the email I sent to both of this bill's sponsors. I represent only my own personal views though I speak in terms of a larger group else the letter would get round filed in short order.
This letter is designed to challenge the assumptions in the bill, to make their plan look stupid by comparison to alternatives I suggest. It challenges the stereotyping of relic hunters and it drags into the daylight that fact that by and large archeologists just don't like us and they would rather the relics rotted away to nothing than for us to recover them.
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Dear Sir,
I am writing to you regarding bill A1930 which you sponsored that provides for the "protection of certain publicy-owned archaeological sites".
The key question is will this bill work? The fact is that relics this bill hopes to preserve are quickly being destroyed in the ground by modern chemicals, acid rain, and environmental damage. It is a well known fact that many revolutionary and civil war era relics are already in an advanced state of decay, pewter relics (pewter was the modern day equivalent of aluminum and plastic in the 1600-1800's) are decomposing the quickest, followed by copper and bronze. By closing off virtually all public lands to relic hunting this bill unfortunately assures their destruction, there simply are not enough archaeologists to cover the thousands of square miles in time.
Other states and countries are now recognizing this and seeking alternative solutions. The United Kingdom adopted a very good national model that deserves study. In the United Kingdom the most significant historic sites are off limits as they should be however they have adopted laws governing the recovery of relics on all public lands. All relics, coins, and artifacts recovered are presented to the government for review. If the item is of historic significance the government retains the item and pays the finder a fair market value, non-significant items are returned to the finder.
Think about this for a moment, the government gains a volunteer work-force to help it recover and preserve these important items before they decay and are lost forever and the most significant finds are retained and preserved for the publics enjoyment. Isn't that a more logical solution?
Further, if a significant site is discovered by a volunteer, a cache of coins or ancient relic for example, excavation is halted and the local archeologist is contacted. The archeologist will assess the site and may schedule a scientific excavation. This has lead to many significant previously unknown site discoveries. This is a win/win solution and local archaeologists in the UK are thrilled, they now have a small volunteer army of relic hunters working for them rather than in competition. The archeologists also published a book to help educate the relic hunter on proper recovery and preservation techniques.
Some states are adopting a similar approach, relic hunters are now teaming up with local archeologists volunteering their time, expertise, and thousands of dollars in equipment to assist them in their research and the recovery of artifacts so that they might be preserved for the generations to come.
Common misconceptions about our relic hunting members...
We are aware that by and large archeologists have a negative opinion of our members which is both unfortunate and inaccurate. We share the same interest in American history, how our ancestors lived and worked. As a group we also support the protection of significant archaeological sites and other sites of historical significance.
We feel this bill unfairly labels all relic hunters as bad people who pillage, lack technical training, rarely conduct legitimate research, dig without permission, and conduct illicit diggings. We would like to know how you arrived at these conclusions. Was this the result of a study and/or review of documented cases (none are sited in the bill) or are these charges merely the personal "opinion" of the bill's proponents?
We do not deny that a few bad apples exist, you will find them in any group of people. Would you feel offended if the public labeled all senators and assembly persons corrupt due to the actions of a few bad apples? We feel no less offended by the language in this bill. We are not a group of uneducated scoundrels, our members include doctors and lawyers, accountants, electronics engineers and business executives, etc. We enjoy American history and learning about the times in which our ancestors lived, we research the sites that we hunt and the items we recover. Most experienced relic hunters could easily hold their own in a discussion with local historians and archeologists.
The vast majority of our members never sell their finds, we carefully research, document and preserve them in display cases for future enjoyment. And we would gladly loan our finds to local museums and historical societies for public display if provided the opportunity.
It is clear that our representatives in state government lack an understanding of our group. Had you reached out to us for the other side of the story the bill may have demonstrated more balance and fairness. We urge you to reconsider this bill, we feel the State of New Jersey has an opportunity to lead and set an example for other states to follow.
We are eager to partner with state and local government and work with you however we can no longer stand by while such bills are passed into law. As a group we number in the tens of thousands and if we have to elect new representatives who share our views to initiate change then we will, that's the American way.
Respectfully,
Charles Keith
 
We have to do something about it. It can't end up like this. Metal Detecting will be forbidden in NJ soon <img src="/metal/html/angry.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":mad"> <img src="/metal/html/cry.gif" border=0 width=40 height=15 alt=":cry">
 
I gave them the benefit of doubt, perhaps they are just ignorant but the gloves come off if they do not respond.
Remember the public land belongs to YOU the taxpayer, you pay for its care and you own it. This retard of a state assembly person does not own the land and neither does the park employee who decides to make up their own no metal detecting rule like the public land is their own private kingdom.
You pay their salary, they work for you, and you can fire them. Easier said than done right, true but take a lesson from the republicans in the elections this year.
Pick a single individual and focus all your attention and resources on that one individual and start hammering away with email, petitions, you support his opponent in the next election, you come down on them like a ton of bricks and you make no secret about the fact that you intend to fire him from his job for his position on this bill and you let the other three boneheads who sponsored the bill know they are next! You fire one of them and the rest will want to be your friend.
There is safety in numbers but also there is power in numbers, group together and operate as a single force and you can fire these people. Try to butt heads one on one and you will lose.
 
This bill will cause problems for many very diverse groups from rock collectors, Fossil hunters, geocache hunters, and the list goes on.
So, Please send out and post about this anywhere that you think it would help.
 
Is it because these states buy metal detectors from them for airport screening and they (the metal detector companies) don't want to ruffle feathers?
Why don't the people that are supposed to protect us metal detectorists confront these legislators?
They are all cowards. Plain and simple. Cowards. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">Yellow.</span>
 
But think nothing of bulldozing a field to build a new office building!
 
send them a 'letter' telling them why they oppose this Bill. NJ voters carry more weight than out-of-state people. However it wouldn't hurt to write them anyways even if out-of-state and let them know you'll take your vacation dollars somewhere else if they pass this Bill. That's about all they usually understand, IMO.
Still it stinks!
 
that 'letters' carry more weight... It's too easy to delete e-mail messages or route them right into the shredder.
We should fill their mailboxes with letters saying our vacation $$$$$ will be going elsewhere if they pass this Bill. $$$$ they understand.
 
The time to have done something about this law was when the bill was still in hearings. Judging by the fact that not a single politician voted against it, I'd say that no one at all spoke in opposition to it so the polticos thought that it was a slam dunk.
The only way to change it now is to get a new law passed that repeals or modifies this one. That is going to be twice as hard now that it is passed.
They tried to do the same thing here in New Hampshire back in the 1970's. The club I am in (I wasn't in it then as I wasn't detecting then) did some work against it and the law was changed so that it took out all of the insulting language and changed the law to say that metal detecting and relic hunting is legal in certain pre-determined areas. If the GSTHC hadn't opposed this bill we would have ended up with a law just as bad as the one New Jersey has now.
 
we need a point of contact and organize now or we are doomed. as ben franklin once said "If we don't hang together, we will most certainly hang seperately"
 
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