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Omega 8000 vs F5 air tests and initial observations

dfmike

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I've been using a Fisher F5 for some time and like it. I had a chance to get a new Omega 8000 for a good price on closeout so I bought it and wanted to test it to compare what should be near identical machines internally. I saw many claims on the net saying that one or the other was superior in depth, solidity, stability of signals, etc. Some claims mentioned that coil choice miraculously turned the 8000 into a depth beast but not the F5 (or to a lesser extent). Few posts seem to had been written by people who had actually used both machines at the same time. I decided I was going to test both on my own and see. I have 3 coils that are of course interchangeable (stock 10" concentric, 11 DD and Detech Ultimate).

I can't do ground tests yet as it's frozen stiff over here. That will have to wait a few months at least. I did the following air tests for fun mainly. We all know that the real test is in the packed and mineralized ground where it counts. Take these numbers with a grain of salt. The machines were tested with good batteries, sens at maximum (99 on the F5 and 70 on the Omega which from what I have read is considered maximum). Threshold on the F5 was set at 0. Both detectors were on all metal (no discrimination) and freq 1 was used. I couldn't use the Omega at maximum sensitivity with the Detech coil because of EMI indoors. Just a slight cut back to 65 was OK. One thing I noticed by this simple test and it is of no surprise, the stock 10" coil is less sensitive to EMI than the DD or Detech. The Omega 8000 is more sensitive to EMI at these settings than the F5 especially with the 11" DD coil and the Detech.

I tested each detector with the 3 coils on a copper penny, a silver dime, a silver quarter, a toonie (2 dollar coin) and a plain sterling silver ring. My findings are that for these tests, results are almost always equal. In most tests they are the same and in some one or the other detector has a 0.5 inch advantage which is trivial. The 11" DD coil added about 0.5 to 1.5 inches to the stock 10" coil depending on target and the Detech added another 0.5 to 1.5 inches to that. I would have liked to test both units with a positive threshold but didn't because of EMI issues. Both units got 13 inches on a silver quarter with the Detech which is pretty impressive to me. All other targets were really very close. I'll post some numbers if somebody wants them.

Other observations: The F5 doesn't have any parts that move in the slightest in use. The Omega's control box is definitely not as solid. It moves or flexes when pulling the coil connector for example. The F5 seems more solid overall. The F5 has a badly designed coil input connector in the sense that it's more difficult to screw and unscrew a coil connector because the box is in the way. The coil connector on the 8000 is completely free so no issues there. I find the battery compartment is also easier to access on the 8000. Although the display is different on both, I like them equally. BIG numbers and lots of info.

Can't wait to actually test the Omega on the ground.
 
The Omega is one of my favorite machines. I sold it to "upgrade" to a Nokta Fors Core and I miss it dearly. The ID was accurate, it was deep, lightweight, and just easy to use. Did everything a good detector should.

My favorite coil was the 5x10 Elliptical (the solid white one). It had the depth of the 11" Biaxial, but sifted through nails a lot better.

Yeah they do seem kinda flimsy. Mine seen some hard use banging around in the woods though, and it never had an issue. I think you will really enjoy it. Let us know how you get along with it!
 
thumperjones said:
The Omega is one of my favorite machines. I sold it to "upgrade" to a Nokta Fors Core and I miss it dearly. The ID was accurate, it was deep, lightweight, and just easy to use. Did everything a good detector should.

My favorite coil was the 5x10 Elliptical (the solid white one). It had the depth of the 11" Biaxial, but sifted through nails a lot better.

Yeah they do seem kinda flimsy. Mine seen some hard use banging around in the woods though, and it never had an issue. I think you will really enjoy it. Let us know how you get along with it!

Thanks for your feedback. I didn't know Fisher/Teknetics sold that coil (5X10 elliptical) specifically for the Omega/F5. Are we talking about the same kind of coil that comes standard on the Fisher F19 for example ? Perhaps you just took it from another detector ?
 
Yeah it's the same shape and size, just white. They make one for the Greek series, which the Omega is.

It was deeper than the concentric, but more stable than the Biaxial. I also liked that it would pinpoint on the tip. Kinda weird at fist, but once you figure it out its super handy to pick between two really close targets. If you find you really like the Omega, give one a try.
 
thumperjones said:
Yeah it's the same shape and size, just white. They make one for the Greek series, which the Omega is.

It was deeper than the concentric, but more stable than the Biaxial. I also liked that it would pinpoint on the tip. Kinda weird at fist, but once you figure it out its super handy to pick between two really close targets. If you find you really like the Omega, give one a try.

Would this be it ?

teknetics 10 DD search coil
 
Thanks for the info, interesting stuff Mike! I keep finding reasons to hold onto my Omega (It's may fave so far). Running the NEL Sharpshooter, but just got a 5" NEL Sharp yesterday, heading out today to an iron infested home site to try her out.
 
atomicscott said:
Thanks for the info, interesting stuff Mike! I keep finding reasons to hold onto my Omega (It's may fave so far). Running the NEL Sharpshooter, but just got a 5" NEL Sharp yesterday, heading out today to an iron infested home site to try her out.

I haven't even tried mine out yet on the ground ! I can't wait but winter is still here and the ground is frozen. I think I'm going to like the pistol grip of the Teknetics vs the S rod of the F5.
 
I just got my 10X5 Detech coil in and air tested it with same settings as the other coils mentioned previously. Sensitivity 70, all metal. Just a few observations: The coil is just slightly heavier than the Teknetics 10" concentric. It weighs in at 405 grams without coil cover. That's a mere 40 grams more than the Teknetics. It's not as sensitive to EMI as the Teknetics 11" DD or Detech Ultimate which is hardly surprising given its diminutive size.

The results impressed me. Given its small size I would have thought there would be a bigger gap between it and the 11 DD. It's really close. I can't test it on the ground yet. It's frozen stiff.

Detech 10X5 SEF coil:
copper penny = 11
silver dime = 11
silver quarter = 12
toonie = 12
silver ring = 11.5
 
I have one of the 10x13 Mars Tiger coils coming for the Omega/G2. It will be interesting to see what it does compared to the Ultimate.

Tom
 
Are those mars coils more affordable than nel or detech? I sprung for the concentric 10 instead of the 11 dd knowing full well that I would be getting am aftermarket dd coil that's bigger. Just trying to figure out of its gonna be an ultimate or a 13-15" nel.
 
Rumor has it there will be a US dealer for Mars Coils, but I opted to not wait and get one from the UK. Cost was around 200.00 which is a bit of a premium.
 
One thing I found out is that you have to be careful with third party coils. My 2 Detech's (the Ultimate and the 10X5 SEF) had issues when I got them. Not functional issues mind you as they work fine. I can't tighten the stock nut on the 10X5 because the stock screw is too short to have enough thread on the other side of the coil ears. This is not settled yet but it should soon. The Ultimate came with a missing removable plastic part for the coil ears. It wasn't Detech's fault. It came from a private seller. That issue was taken care of by the distributor in Australia (amazing service by the way).

Prior to that, I had bought a NEL Tornado for my Fisher F5. That one had functional issues. In air tests, it couldn't even match the concentric coil. It wasn't even close. On the ground, I lost the detectors capacity to pinpoint when the coil was on. It turns out it was a faulty coil. I returned the coil to the dealer and I figured it wasn't worth the hassle to get another one that might or might not be OK.

Moral of the story is: Test your coils well as soon as you get them. Make sure everything works as it should.
 
I'm usually not a fan of larger than stock coils. I looked at the Detech Ultimate and Nel Tornado and decided they are not for me. The Mars Tiger coil at 10" x 13" is a couple inches larger than the 11" DD coil which is about as big as I would need or want on the end of the detector.

If the Omega has any chance at all of keeping up with machines such as the G2/G2+ or one of the newer Nokta - Makro offerings the 5" DD coil is going to be a must and I have one I will use when those comparisons come.

Tom
 
Just found out from the manufacturer, Mars MD that the Tiger coils for the Teks are tuned to the frequency of the machine. The Greek series and G2 coils are not interchangeable. So I have the 10x13 Tiger coil for the G2 on the way. Will give it a try on the Omega but not hopeful it will work properly at this point.

Tom
 
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