I have owned and used a EuroTek Pro (Thanks Bart) and really liked it. I was just curious will an Omega out perform a EuroTek Pro when it comes to coin and jewelry hunting. I have read that the Omega is chatty, My ETP was bothered with emi in a couple spots that I hunt but fairly quiet overall.
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Omega/Eurotek Pro
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MarkCZ
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Most anytime I had trouble with EMI and my Omega is when I was trying to run the Sensitivity above 70, but even at 65-69 its still pretty deep, at that range its still searching in the 8" (in the dirt) and that's using the 11" DD coil.
Now is it better than the EuroTek, well, I've not compared the two, but one is very near entry level while the other boarders over the mid range class. So, I'm going to say wit some certainty that the Omega would outperform the EuroTek.
Mark
Now is it better than the EuroTek, well, I've not compared the two, but one is very near entry level while the other boarders over the mid range class. So, I'm going to say wit some certainty that the Omega would outperform the EuroTek.
Mark
Thanks Jim and Mark, I didn't mean to ask if one is better than the other I should of said what would a person gain if they were to get an Omega. I watched a u-tube video showing a well know detectorist using an Omega and when he switched it to disc. mode and changed the ground balance from one extreme to the other and everywhere in between it didn't seem to change anything, so the Omega may have a fixed ground balance in disc. mode if if is not factory set that would be a benefit over the EuroTek
MarkCZ
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Are you sure that was an Omega video?
Well, the Omega has ground track in discrimination mode, that tells the operator if the ground balance is correct. No, its not fixed.
It has a ground balance adjustment that you adjust in auto tune, then switch back to Disc mode, the ground phase is a graft that reads "Mid" for good, or high or low, if the ground changes to let you know the ground balance is set right.
Mark
Well, the Omega has ground track in discrimination mode, that tells the operator if the ground balance is correct. No, its not fixed.
It has a ground balance adjustment that you adjust in auto tune, then switch back to Disc mode, the ground phase is a graft that reads "Mid" for good, or high or low, if the ground changes to let you know the ground balance is set right.
Mark
MarkCZ
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Well, I've never had a detector that would hit on a dime at 10" in the dirt, especially planted one (test gardens).
Testing nickels @ 13" isn't anything I would try to do. I've heard of the guy that did that video before, I would have expected more out of him than that.
One problem he had was using the external speaker at that depth running max sensitivity, the Omega has great modulated audio, which means at a foot plus in the ground it would have been impossible to have heard such a faint signal with all the other noise going on.
Don't expect the Omega to hit coins @ foot deep! good grief, what was that guy thinking? and a test garden at that!
I'll say in average conditions the Omega will run near the 8" to outside of 9" deep, I've never owned any detector that would hit at all on a 10" deep dime, (now I'm talking about 10" of dirt with average minerals)
And I've had and used even the CZ models.
Now, I'm not for sure about the no ground response, I've not tried that. But, he was trying to get an audio response from the ground much like a metal target response???
Got to go to work now, more later. (I didn't proof read this either, LoL)
Mark
Testing nickels @ 13" isn't anything I would try to do. I've heard of the guy that did that video before, I would have expected more out of him than that.
One problem he had was using the external speaker at that depth running max sensitivity, the Omega has great modulated audio, which means at a foot plus in the ground it would have been impossible to have heard such a faint signal with all the other noise going on.
Don't expect the Omega to hit coins @ foot deep! good grief, what was that guy thinking? and a test garden at that!
I'll say in average conditions the Omega will run near the 8" to outside of 9" deep, I've never owned any detector that would hit at all on a 10" deep dime, (now I'm talking about 10" of dirt with average minerals)
And I've had and used even the CZ models.
Now, I'm not for sure about the no ground response, I've not tried that. But, he was trying to get an audio response from the ground much like a metal target response???
Got to go to work now, more later. (I didn't proof read this either, LoL)
Mark
MarkCZ
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Okay, I just got home from work and I wanted to add a little more to this topic.
The more I thought about that video the more I disliked it and his worthless testing.
Anyway,
You can't run the ground balance up and down in discrimination mode and expect to get an audio response from ground minerals! its in "Discrimination Mode" the response to minerals would be disc out even if the disc setting was set to minimum, it still wouldn't hit (respond) to ground minerals. That doesn't mean that the ground balance isn't still in effect in disc mode. To get the audio response to the ground minerals he would have had to went to the "Auto Tune" mode or the "Pinpoint mode" these mode are both all metal with NO Discrimination which means if the ground balance was off you would get a response to the ground.
Okay, back to the EXTREME depth he was searching at!
Dimes at 10"
Nickels at 13"
Lets say his coins are buried that deep in the dirt!
He didn't look to be scrubbing the ground with the coil,
The sight looked to have some grass on it,
So. an inch off the ground, an inch of grass,
Now the Dime is 12" from the coil,
The Nickel is 14" from the coil,
Modulated audio would but the audio response for these to near the outer limits of being able to hear them with No Chatter! and very good headphones, needless to say he had plenty of chatter and NO Headphones at all!
That video should be removed!
Mark
The more I thought about that video the more I disliked it and his worthless testing.
Anyway,
You can't run the ground balance up and down in discrimination mode and expect to get an audio response from ground minerals! its in "Discrimination Mode" the response to minerals would be disc out even if the disc setting was set to minimum, it still wouldn't hit (respond) to ground minerals. That doesn't mean that the ground balance isn't still in effect in disc mode. To get the audio response to the ground minerals he would have had to went to the "Auto Tune" mode or the "Pinpoint mode" these mode are both all metal with NO Discrimination which means if the ground balance was off you would get a response to the ground.
Okay, back to the EXTREME depth he was searching at!
Dimes at 10"
Nickels at 13"
Lets say his coins are buried that deep in the dirt!
He didn't look to be scrubbing the ground with the coil,
The sight looked to have some grass on it,
So. an inch off the ground, an inch of grass,
Now the Dime is 12" from the coil,
The Nickel is 14" from the coil,
Modulated audio would but the audio response for these to near the outer limits of being able to hear them with No Chatter! and very good headphones, needless to say he had plenty of chatter and NO Headphones at all!
That video should be removed!
Mark
I guess I wasn't thinking when I watched the video because with most detectors you will not notice a difference in disc. mode when changing the ground balance, although I know that you can ground balance a Minelab Musketeer Advantage in either all metal or disc. mode and you can tell/hear the "noise" get louder as you push the detector towards the ground or as you pull it up away from the ground in disc. mode with the g.b. set at either extremes. Just want to add that the fella that did the video is one of the good ole boys even if he does have a souther accentMarkCZ said:
.First, in answer to the discussion about the Omega not responding to ground when bobbed in the Disc. mode. I did the same comparison with the Omega as I have done with most of the detectors I get my hands on to own or just evaluate, and I do not know which video you are referring to. I do know, however, that when I used three Omegas, since March of 2010, I used some very mineralized ground as well as some rocks I use in my seminars. One hand-sized rock produces a Ground Phase reading on the G2 at about 89.8 and I ran the Omega manual GB to each extreme and couldn't get a response ether way.
Using the Teknetics G2 and the same rock, I just double checked and found that once I GB'ed to the rock, I could increase the GB to the maximum setting, switch to the Disc. mode, and not get a response. The G2, depending on how I held the rock, the GB balanced at 89.7 to 99.0. When I reduced the GB manually to 71, then switched into the Discriminate mode, the G2 was responsive as the rock was bobbed toward-and-away from the coil. Reducing the GB setting even lower made the rock very responsive in the Disc. mode.
That being clarified from my testing, let me add that you are correct that some makes and models DO respond to extreme GB settings in the motion Discriminate mode. With some models, a higher-than-proper GB might produce a positive response in the Disc. mode if the coil is bobbed toward the ground, whereas some models might audibly respond with an uplift of the coil away from the ground when the GB setting is too negative.
It is all about how each particular model is designed. Most Tesoro's, for example, with not respond to a big silver dollar in the Disc. mode if the GB is adjusted for the maximum GB position. It is also possible to design a mode where the Disc. mode ahs a preset GB, one where it references directly from the All Metal mode GB, and it is also possible to design a detector so the Discriminate mode GB adjustment range is limited. I believe this might be the case with the Omega's design.
As for personal opinions as to the performance differences between the Omega and Euro-Tek Pro, the Euro-Tek Pro was designed as a simple to use model and that would be a popular model for a lot of the European relic hunters. It serves similarly here in the USA as a simple-to-use detector. I find the performance to be somewhat similar to the also fixed GB Delta model, allowing that the Euro-Tek maybe does provide better Discrimination adjustment.
My pick of the two, however, favors the Omega for several reasons. One, it DOES have manual GB. It does have an All Metal search mode. It provides us with four different Tone ID selections. There is more ground make-up information, such as Fe3O4 and Ground Phase readings. Does the Omega sometimes have a little more EMI? Yes, but not all the time and I mostly hunted with the Sensitivity set at '99', reducing it when needed. I'd rather be able to reduce a detector if the setting is too high, rather than have a model that can't adjust high enough to get to the point of instability.
Better still, I prefer the Omega because Dave Johnson is proud of it and his involvement in its design, whereas he didn't design the Euro-Tek. That was done by a couple of other guys down there. When they announced the Euro-Tek's release and had the flyers out, I called and talked with Dave to ask if the Euro-Tek Pro adjusted to a true 'Zero' Disc. setting. He said he didn't think so, and he wasn't involved with its design. He had other comments but this will suffice. I just know that it's OK for the price point it is at, but the Omega is a better all-purpose, more functional model.
Monte
Using the Teknetics G2 and the same rock, I just double checked and found that once I GB'ed to the rock, I could increase the GB to the maximum setting, switch to the Disc. mode, and not get a response. The G2, depending on how I held the rock, the GB balanced at 89.7 to 99.0. When I reduced the GB manually to 71, then switched into the Discriminate mode, the G2 was responsive as the rock was bobbed toward-and-away from the coil. Reducing the GB setting even lower made the rock very responsive in the Disc. mode.
That being clarified from my testing, let me add that you are correct that some makes and models DO respond to extreme GB settings in the motion Discriminate mode. With some models, a higher-than-proper GB might produce a positive response in the Disc. mode if the coil is bobbed toward the ground, whereas some models might audibly respond with an uplift of the coil away from the ground when the GB setting is too negative.
It is all about how each particular model is designed. Most Tesoro's, for example, with not respond to a big silver dollar in the Disc. mode if the GB is adjusted for the maximum GB position. It is also possible to design a mode where the Disc. mode ahs a preset GB, one where it references directly from the All Metal mode GB, and it is also possible to design a detector so the Discriminate mode GB adjustment range is limited. I believe this might be the case with the Omega's design.
As for personal opinions as to the performance differences between the Omega and Euro-Tek Pro, the Euro-Tek Pro was designed as a simple to use model and that would be a popular model for a lot of the European relic hunters. It serves similarly here in the USA as a simple-to-use detector. I find the performance to be somewhat similar to the also fixed GB Delta model, allowing that the Euro-Tek maybe does provide better Discrimination adjustment.
My pick of the two, however, favors the Omega for several reasons. One, it DOES have manual GB. It does have an All Metal search mode. It provides us with four different Tone ID selections. There is more ground make-up information, such as Fe3O4 and Ground Phase readings. Does the Omega sometimes have a little more EMI? Yes, but not all the time and I mostly hunted with the Sensitivity set at '99', reducing it when needed. I'd rather be able to reduce a detector if the setting is too high, rather than have a model that can't adjust high enough to get to the point of instability.
Better still, I prefer the Omega because Dave Johnson is proud of it and his involvement in its design, whereas he didn't design the Euro-Tek. That was done by a couple of other guys down there. When they announced the Euro-Tek's release and had the flyers out, I called and talked with Dave to ask if the Euro-Tek Pro adjusted to a true 'Zero' Disc. setting. He said he didn't think so, and he wasn't involved with its design. He had other comments but this will suffice. I just know that it's OK for the price point it is at, but the Omega is a better all-purpose, more functional model.
Monte
I guess actually more than one, but it's all associated with search coil compatibility as well.
It also has to involve Ground Balance and Discrimination, of which GB is, and how manufacturers set up the factory's design and calibration of different models. Example: The Omega will display a GB Error Readout if the GB is markedly different from the ground, alerting us to update the GB. However, the operator can manually run the GB setting to either the Negative or Positive extreme and not get an audio response as we can with some makes and models.
With the G2, I noted early on that the Coin Depth read-out was way off, and coins would usually read 1", even if they were down 3"-4". I also had trouble getting much depth on the higher-conductive desired targets, such as silver dollars and silver halves. Silver Dollars would lose responsiveness (depth) before halves and quarters and pennies.
Also, I really enjoyed using my 5" DD coil on the Omega, and I often left it on just for several days of routine trashy site hunting. The problem with the 5" DD on the Omega, and this was on several Omega's and two Gamma models I had, the 5" coil TID response was much higher than the VDI numeric ID using the stock elliptical Concentric or round 8" coil.
Well, I got the Euro-Tek Pro w/8" coil, brand new in the box from NW Detector Sales in Tigard, Oregon and the next day assembled it to display at a day-long seminar. I only displayed it, never used it outdoors, and then only did a little quick demo at my home for a friend. Then I decided I'd sell it and make a 'package' that included the two extra new search coils I have around, the 5" DD and the 11" Biaxial.
Well, before I boxed the Euro-Tek Pro back up I thought I'd do another really quick test using the 5" DD on my G2. I did both an 'air test' using an assortment of US coins, and my Nail Board Performance Test using an Indian Head 1
It also has to involve Ground Balance and Discrimination, of which GB is, and how manufacturers set up the factory's design and calibration of different models. Example: The Omega will display a GB Error Readout if the GB is markedly different from the ground, alerting us to update the GB. However, the operator can manually run the GB setting to either the Negative or Positive extreme and not get an audio response as we can with some makes and models.
With the G2, I noted early on that the Coin Depth read-out was way off, and coins would usually read 1", even if they were down 3"-4". I also had trouble getting much depth on the higher-conductive desired targets, such as silver dollars and silver halves. Silver Dollars would lose responsiveness (depth) before halves and quarters and pennies.
Also, I really enjoyed using my 5" DD coil on the Omega, and I often left it on just for several days of routine trashy site hunting. The problem with the 5" DD on the Omega, and this was on several Omega's and two Gamma models I had, the 5" coil TID response was much higher than the VDI numeric ID using the stock elliptical Concentric or round 8" coil.
Well, I got the Euro-Tek Pro w/8" coil, brand new in the box from NW Detector Sales in Tigard, Oregon and the next day assembled it to display at a day-long seminar. I only displayed it, never used it outdoors, and then only did a little quick demo at my home for a friend. Then I decided I'd sell it and make a 'package' that included the two extra new search coils I have around, the 5" DD and the 11" Biaxial.
Well, before I boxed the Euro-Tek Pro back up I thought I'd do another really quick test using the 5" DD on my G2. I did both an 'air test' using an assortment of US coins, and my Nail Board Performance Test using an Indian Head 1
Mike Hillis
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Hi Monte, Thanks for posting.
Your report on the high conductors is interesting to me. I was a prototype field tester for this one and your report made me go back and dig up my notes because I especially checked for the high conductor wrap.
From one of my reports....."Checking the high conductor discrimination range I could take it to 97,98,99, but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get a high conductor to switch over to iron in air tests. In the ground, the minerals in the ground would pull or push non-ferrous conductors over into iron but I couldn't
Your report on the high conductors is interesting to me. I was a prototype field tester for this one and your report made me go back and dig up my notes because I especially checked for the high conductor wrap.
From one of my reports....."Checking the high conductor discrimination range I could take it to 97,98,99, but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get a high conductor to switch over to iron in air tests. In the ground, the minerals in the ground would pull or push non-ferrous conductors over into iron but I couldn't
Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, a lot of detector interest seems to have dropped off a noticeable amount in he past couple of years round here. Actually around NW Oregon where I was living. Consumers do ask about White's, and some show interest in a couple of Minelab models, but in talking with people at detector groups and prospecting clubs, etc., I have tried to spark some conversation in other brands, but it's almost useless. I am including Tesoro, Fisher, Teknetics and Garrett.
About the main interest in some casual discussion are from newcomers or those who are less active and they are sopping for a detector in a modest price range of $200 to $400, and they mostly want turn-on-and-go detectors. One of my favorite models on the lower-end has been the Tek. Delta. It has always worked well for me and I have only used the stock 8" and 5" DD coils on it, but never have I encountered a problem with a Delta.
I prefer readable VDI numbers and when I first saw the Euro-Tek Pro I was impressed with the appearance, as well s the simple-to-use design. I hadn't acquired one and my detecting activities were kind of sidelined a bit, since June of 2010, but especially from the summer of '12 through most of last year. My personal favorite Teknetics model is the Omega, ad other than occasional EMI issues I haven't had much problem with it, either. For the most part it has performed well for most for the hunting I like to do, with the exception of hunting in very dense iron nail infested sites.
Anyway, I like the basic concept of the Euro-Tek Pro, and hoped it had a true Zero Disc. setting, but only the T2 has that in the Teknetics line-up. Then I talked with Dave and he said he wasn't really involved in the Euro-Tek design so it left me wondering just how well they might work. So, a week ago I stopped by a dealer friend's shop, bought a brand new Euro-Tek Pro w/8" and had it assembled for a display with many other detectors at last Saturday's seminar. My hope was that it would work well with my 5" DD coil in heavily littered [size=small](with nails and small iron[/size]) ghost towns I frequent in Utah, Nevada and Oregon.
I wanted something that was light, had a good audio for my impaired hearing, and could handle my Nail Board Test to take the place of a Classic ID I had w/4
About the main interest in some casual discussion are from newcomers or those who are less active and they are sopping for a detector in a modest price range of $200 to $400, and they mostly want turn-on-and-go detectors. One of my favorite models on the lower-end has been the Tek. Delta. It has always worked well for me and I have only used the stock 8" and 5" DD coils on it, but never have I encountered a problem with a Delta.
I prefer readable VDI numbers and when I first saw the Euro-Tek Pro I was impressed with the appearance, as well s the simple-to-use design. I hadn't acquired one and my detecting activities were kind of sidelined a bit, since June of 2010, but especially from the summer of '12 through most of last year. My personal favorite Teknetics model is the Omega, ad other than occasional EMI issues I haven't had much problem with it, either. For the most part it has performed well for most for the hunting I like to do, with the exception of hunting in very dense iron nail infested sites.
Anyway, I like the basic concept of the Euro-Tek Pro, and hoped it had a true Zero Disc. setting, but only the T2 has that in the Teknetics line-up. Then I talked with Dave and he said he wasn't really involved in the Euro-Tek design so it left me wondering just how well they might work. So, a week ago I stopped by a dealer friend's shop, bought a brand new Euro-Tek Pro w/8" and had it assembled for a display with many other detectors at last Saturday's seminar. My hope was that it would work well with my 5" DD coil in heavily littered [size=small](with nails and small iron[/size]) ghost towns I frequent in Utah, Nevada and Oregon.
I wanted something that was light, had a good audio for my impaired hearing, and could handle my Nail Board Test to take the place of a Classic ID I had w/4
Hi you all!
One of the couple of other guys down here speaking
I just wanted to point out a few things.
Dave actually did design the front end and analog circuitry of the Eurotek and was involved in its design. I worked the code.
The ground balance setting on the Omega does carry from All Metal to Disc. If you can't hear hot rocks in disc mode, it is not because of the ground balance setting being off, or being fixed. It is recommended that you ground balance your unit on each hunt regardless of operating mode. This particular point was interesting to read, maybe in the future we will design the user interface so its clear if the ground balance setting is fixed or otherwise affected by any ground balance operations.
I would expect detectors to work at peak performance with their stock coil. I am not an expert on every detector, of course.
Please keep coming those nice comments and reports. They will only make better units in the drawing board, I assure you.
Happy Hunting!
J. Anton Saad.
One of the couple of other guys down here speaking
I just wanted to point out a few things.
Dave actually did design the front end and analog circuitry of the Eurotek and was involved in its design. I worked the code.
The ground balance setting on the Omega does carry from All Metal to Disc. If you can't hear hot rocks in disc mode, it is not because of the ground balance setting being off, or being fixed. It is recommended that you ground balance your unit on each hunt regardless of operating mode. This particular point was interesting to read, maybe in the future we will design the user interface so its clear if the ground balance setting is fixed or otherwise affected by any ground balance operations.
I would expect detectors to work at peak performance with their stock coil. I am not an expert on every detector, of course.
Please keep coming those nice comments and reports. They will only make better units in the drawing board, I assure you.
Happy Hunting!
J. Anton Saad.
Just to add my two bobs worth (Aussie expression)....I have both the Omega and Eurotek Pro....I have had the Omega since Feb 2010, and the Eurotek since about June last year (2013). I think it would be unfair to the Eurotek Pro to try to compare it directly to the Omega. I think the Omega is an outstanding machine. I find the Omega easy to use and with enough variations within features to cater for all my needs. I bought the Eurotek Pro because a) I felt it would be great for a few specific types of areas where I hunt (and it is) and b) because the price was so good. I didn't, and still dont, expect it to do the same job that the Omega can do, and is continuing to do. For example, with the Omega, I can switch from 4 tones mode, where tones are clear and distinct, to 2 tones mode, where VCO kicks in for the tone which isn't for iron. This is just an example of the versatility that you get with the Omega. I dont expect my Eurotek Pro to do job in the same way the Omega can do it, but it too is a great machine (for the price) and I have had a lot of fun with it and am very satisfied with its performance. I have tried different coils on the Eurotek Pro, and I prefer to use either the 8" concentric or the 5"DD, depending on current conditions.
Thank you, that is the info I was looking for. I wasn't wanting to put one against the other just was wondering the difference between them & was curious if the extra $$$ for the Omega was worth it to a person like me that can only afford one detector so whatever I get it will me my only coin/jewelry detector.Furious T said:
detectingMO
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with omega stock 10" coil cokpared on both machines the omega is only an inch deeper due to increase threshold and gb. 10" inch is my prefered on euro. 11" dd is much better on omega vs on euro. 5" performance was near equal. omega has far superior audio but euro is a tad hotter on low cinductors. omega is not worth price difference at retail but on used market a stock omega for $300 is best value. the 10" coil is great in trash and open. the smaller Rx coil in it makes it best with EMI as well (similar to 5")