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One more QUESTION!!! Maybe !!

oldranger

New member
Ok folks

Soon it will be winter in the City of Champions ( NOT Philly)

I have maybe 6 weeks off decent weather till the ground gets hard
and the weather is COLD.
I plan to some research for sitesfor next season, and I want
to create a letter asking for permission on private sites.
I know the usual stuff about filling holes taking trash out and
no property owner responsiblity for me or my stuff is important.
Any suggestions about other stuff I can include that might
get me permission tto detetct on private sites?
As always Thanks to all for the good information I know Ill get
from the folks here.

Good Hunting
Ron

Rangers Lead The Way
 
You may want to decide who gets what if the finds are valuable. The true of the matter is if someone wanted to metal detect on my property I would probably let the. {if I wasn't in the hobby} . If I had to sign something so they could hunt my property they would be down the road . Getting the permission is the hard part. Getting the signature may scare someone. Just a thought.
 
oldranger said:
Ok folks

Soon it will be winter in the City of Champions ( NOT Philly)

I have maybe 6 weeks off decent weather till the ground gets hard
and the weather is COLD.
I plan to some research for sitesfor next season, and I want
to create a letter asking for permission on private sites.
I know the usual stuff about filling holes taking trash out and
no property owner responsiblity for me or my stuff is important.
Any suggestions about other stuff I can include that might
get me permission tto detetct on private sites?
As always Thanks to all for the good information I know Ill get
from the folks here.

Good Hunting
Ron

Rangers Lead The Way
Lou Holtz used to say there are really only two questions people want answers to:

1. Can you be trusted?
2. What's in it for me?

Make these the core of your plea, and you will address what THEY worry about... not what you are trying to sell.
 
thanks for insite again folks. I gather from the
variosu opinoins that i may be better off
WITHOUT a letter,??
??????
Am i right about that or as usual
off the beaten path a bit..

anyway Thanks again
Ron
 
Offer them a card with your address and contact info on it. This goes a long way toward dispelling any untrust and shows that you have nothing to hide.

As dahut said "What's in it for me" Offering a split of the finds shows that you're not greedy. The landowners may be very interested in seeing what you find but may let you have it all and if they don't, half is still better than nothing.

Everyone is entitled to their privacy so no less should be thought of them if you are denied. Expect the worst, anything more is a bonus.

Good luck
 
I have some exspierience with this. For 2 years ,,it is all I did, driving around looking for a places that looked good and asking permision. You really didn't say if this was your plan or if your going to put a letter in the paper or some type of flyer. Guess it really don't matter.
Several things I learned.
Plan on hunting alone. Getting permission for 2 in any manner is cutting your chances . (I wouldn't even try)
No one is going to sign a letter ,,, on a first time, hi I just met you basis.
I tried a profesional looking buisness type card, with my name ,number on it. It didnt help me at all. For the people that were undecided, seems although unsaid ,it was a trust thing and trying to decide.I would pull a card, trying to gain trust. Everytime I done this, it turned into a definite NO. I'm really not sure why. But I think its better to try to portray yourself as the " happy go lucky" guy looking for a penny and if ,finds a quarter, he's happy. The card made one look to serious, maybe pro.

Here is something that really helped and took me awhile to figure out. I bought some old coins from the local hobby shop. Some cost about $2-$3 but most even less. Some IHs, mercs or whatever. Depending on what the place looked like, I would offer some of these coins to the land owner for a couples hours in their yard.It worked great.At this moment I would pull my worn down gator digger out of my back pocket and say this is what I use. Smaller is better.

One little detail that makes a huge difference. Try to catch the owner in the yard. I would drive by a place 10 times over months trying to avoid knocking on the door.Yard sales are a good opt.

Like said above, everyone is different and and must deal with each owners concern. Some treat you like crap,its alot of driving and is stress full after awhile. But ,,,the rewards are great sometimes. I got caught up in it and didnt want to hunt anywhere but an old farmhouse.

I had a old man go off on on me once. I was out in the middle of nowhere and no one knew where I was. I thought he was gona shoot me, REALLY. He must have been arguing with the wife and I was there at the wrong time knocking on the door. I couldn't get away fast enough and thought about calling police on him. Thought crossed my mind ,he might have some crops out back, who knows.

It helped me get out of this style of detecting. I lost interest for a period of time after this. Not to bum you out, that was my own personall problem.
It can be very rewarding. But be prepared to get turned down ,alot. Well unless you are a very likeable salesman type. I dont consider myself too bad at this.
 
flash5153 said:
I have some exspierience with this. For 2 years ,,it is all I did, driving around looking for a places that looked good and asking permision. You really didn't say if this was your plan or if your going to put a letter in the paper or some type of flyer. Guess it really don't matter.
Several things I learned.
Plan on hunting alone. Getting permission for 2 in any manner is cutting your chances . (I wouldn't even try)
No one is going to sign a letter ,,, on a first time, hi I just met you basis.
I tried a profesional looking buisness type card, with my name ,number on it. It didnt help me at all. For the people that were undecided, seems although unsaid ,it was a trust thing and trying to decide.I would pull a card, trying to gain trust. Everytime I done this, it turned into a definite NO. I'm really not sure why. But I think its better to try to portray yourself as the " happy go lucky" guy looking for a penny and if ,finds a quarter, he's happy. The card made one look to serious, maybe pro.

Here is something that really helped and took me awhile to figure out. I bought some old coins from the local hobby shop. Some cost about $2-$3 but most even less. Some IHs, mercs or whatever. Depending on what the place looked like, I would offer some of these coins to the land owner for a couples hours in their yard.It worked great.At this moment I would pull my worn down gator digger out of my back pocket and say this is what I use. Smaller is better.

One little detail that makes a huge difference. Try to catch the owner in the yard. I would drive by a place 10 times over months trying to avoid knocking on the door.Yard sales are a good opt.

Like said above, everyone is different and and must deal with each owners concern. Some treat you like crap,its alot of driving and is stress full after awhile. But ,,,the rewards are great sometimes. I got caught up in it and didnt want to hunt anywhere but an old farmhouse.

I had a old man go off on on me once. I was out in the middle of nowhere and no one knew where I was. I thought he was gona shoot me, REALLY. He must have been arguing with the wife and I was there at the wrong time knocking on the door. I couldn't get away fast enough and thought about calling police on him. Thought crossed my mind ,he might have some crops out back, who knows.

It helped me get out of this style of detecting. I lost interest for a period of time after this. Not to bum you out, that was my own personall problem.
It can be very rewarding. But be prepared to get turned down ,alot. Well unless you are a very likeable salesman type. I dont consider myself too bad at this.
As flash says, permission is best when it is casually given, and accepted. I DO use cards to hand out, when I meet people in social ways, like at the grocery store, etc. It can help if you're a member of the historical society - or it won't matter.
Anything that smacks of being 'too serious' should be avoided. I rarely approach anyone at their door, but I mention my hobby to EVERYONE I meet and try to get them interested enough to extend an invitation. I have two cards: one is for Detecting Services, the other says I'm a researcher and writer, with metal detecting as a mentioned avocation. Both say, "FREE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT." This seems to help.

About finds, I usually say any coin I find over a half dollar is theirs to keep. Anything with a market value over $25 I'll sell on ebay and split the profits with them. I seed my pouch with the nastiest, grubbiest old coins and trash possible. When they want to see what I have found, I show them this junk and offer them the coins. It usually dispels their worries about my intentions, but it has stirred up other worries about my sanity for going to all this trouble over junk.
But my conscience inevitably gets the better of me and I don't like being caught in a lie, if that should ever happen.

I ALWAYS offer the use of a second detector, too. I'll show them how to use it and they can join the fun, etc. They occasionally will take you up on it, so let them. They soon tire of it and leave, anyway. Only half the time have I been extended a return visit - once is usually it.

In the end it is you, a stranger, asking to come on their property and take what they don't even know they have. They are now gonna have to watch you, monitor you, worry about you, suspect you, etc. You place them in all sorts of mental "predicaments" when you solicit them in this way. Salesmen leave, after all, but not you - you linger. Wierd, aint it!


You and I both know that 9 times out of 10, you will find most of nothing... But they are most likely to assume something altogether different.
 
Getting permission to detect on other people's property has been the most discouraging part of this hobby and has really been a bad experience for me. I have a first cousin from this area who just turned 56 in July and has been in and out of prison since age 17 and we have the same last name. he's in prison now and when I tell people in this area my last name, the lights go out and the welcome mat is withdrawn. I am not a people person anyway, mostly a loner and I understand how they feel. But, it's very disappointing as I worked all my life until becoming disabled in 1996 and I have never been arrested except for DUI and that was in 1994.
 
I don't know how long you've been at it, but I would wait until you're skilled enough to retrieve objects without leaving any trace of your activity before you go detecting in somebodies yard. If you can do that offer to demonstrate your skill to the landowner after telling them about your expertise.

It is daunting for me to ask permission. I bet I am ultimately allowed to detect a site about 80 (or more) percent of the time. I still hate those No's though. I always ask face to face or if the site is too far away over the phone. Let me know how the letter works out.

Chris
 
Somewhere on the net I think I have a sample letter posted. Think it is in the online magazine that I used to write for on that treasure site we can't mention here. I may pop over andsee if it's still there.

Bill
 
A letter would work well for you as it alleviates all those problems and you can express and explain a lot without having the door slammed in your face.

Bill
 
Hey bud, if you want to send me a buck for postage, envelope, copying, I'll send you my article on writing permission letters and a sample of the type of letter to write. Since this is permently posted on another forum I don't want to get into any copyright hassle by posting it here. PM me for my address.

Bill
 
A letter works great if composed properly. Gives the owner time to go over your request in private before making a decision rather than having you appear ( a total stranger ) on his front porch asking to dig up his beautiful lawn and having to make a snap decision, which is usually NO! because he doesn't know you from a load of coal and knows absolutely nothing about you. Get a copy of my article and letter and you will instantly see why.

Bill
 
Thanks to all of you that gave your input and opinion
on this toic. It is much appreciated and Il try and
decide the best way to go about it for myself. Even tho
I am part of a club I would go alone for 2 reasons. One
is the obvious one stated in a post above, and the other is
very simple. Unless Its a club event or a seeded hunt noone wants to just
go out and LOOK for stuff. So i go alone and still have a great time even
when im skunked!! Actually Im NEVER skunked i ALWAYS find
a few pulltabs and or botle caps!!!!
Good dectecting to all of you
Ron
Rangers Lead The Way
 
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