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outlaw questions

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Calif_quake

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I haven't been to the Tesoro web site lately and now see the outlaw. I have the Vaquero and wonder from you that have used both how the two compare? Time to upgrade? Maybe hold off?. Give me some more input on this detector please.
 
In my opinion,If you got the vaq,you will not be upgrading.The thing about the Outlaw is it is a umax and is a great buy if you got a golden umax,then you can share the coils from the golden and go for some more depth.But the outlaw is not as deep as the Vaquero.I have not hunted my outlaw but a few times.It is a neat set up though.With the quick switch set up.Switch from disc to motion all metal,then to no motion all metal.Then if you want to super pinpoint the target you can reset the threshold minus the target and super pinpoint.True no motion is a very unique feature that is not seen on today's all motion based metal detectors. :-D
 
I don't think that it is an upgrade from the Vaquero. However, if you are a relic hunter you might want to consider the Outlaw. I find it especially handy when I have a short time frame to hunt and don't have time to dig any iron. I work long hours and have a plenty of kids and usually only get in short hunts. The Outlaw works very well in heavy iron picking out the good stuff (so does the Vaquero - but you wont dig much Iron with the Outlaw unless it a very very large piece). Another feature I really like for hunting larger areas without concentrated targets, is to use the all metal autotune mode with the 12x10 coil. Even in all metal mode it ignores most small iron including nails. In the all metal mode it definitely gets more depth and you can listen for whispers for the deep targets.

I took my Outlaw to a spot along a creek where I have found a few relics. I also took my Tejon and E-trac to compare some signals. The deepest target that I found was an Indian Head penny. I didn't measure the depth but my Lesche digger was well below the surface so it was a deep target. I cut it out of the bottom after I found it with my pinpointer so I am certain it was very deep. The Outlaw gave a good strong signal in discrimination mode set a hair below FOIL. The Outlaw found everything the E-trac and Tejon found. It was a short outing in which I compared signals between these three detectors, but I really like the Outlaw in areas with a lot of iron.

I air tested some targets before I first hunted with it and was disappointed in the results. However, in the field it found targets much deeper than in the air and it was definitely not a slouch.

I like the retune button as well. When in discrimination mode, if you press the button all the way down it goes into all metal auto tune mode; holding it half way down puts it in all metal no motion mode (you can use the toggle switch for the same effect but the button is handy).
 
Very good report DRM! I like how you compared the detectors.The Outlaw is more user friendly than the Vaquero.Very unique detector. o_O
 
Well if you have mineralized ground , like basalt, & black sand, the discriminate will be powerless. but the 10x12 DD fares better in disq.but thats why its special, in its two all metal modes, it can cut thru basalt gravle and hit deep somthing not even my bliss can do . and i have spots with basalt as the maine gravle the outlaw will get thru it in all metal . it would be nice to have the E.D 180 because in the outlaws disc mode you will not hear any nails at all you will hear round flat Iron like bottle caps, in my badd ground I can hit a 6" dime so that s not badd the golden could not do that , Also its very good at ignoring small foils and still able to hit a white gold ring & yeallow better. I got it mainly for its cool no motion all metal - I have a basalt rock that shuts the bliss down , but in the outlaws all metal it gets a nickle with a great deep signal right thru it I feel i have a great advantige now in the river bottoms and say up in the Iron mines of northern Minnesota and the basat gravle beaches of lake superior
 
Way to go Gunnar!You really work hard at testing and checking these detectors over.I mean you almost got banned from the bliss forum for working that detector over so hard.You are a true hard core well informed detectorist Gunnar! Keep up the great work! o_O :thumbup:
 
I am in Southern California. I work alot of parks but there are places in the mountains and deserts that are very dry, sandy and rocky.
 
What about buying a new coil for your Van., if you only got the Stock coil. Thats will allmust be like a new Detector.
And then wait to save up some money to a Blisstool. Thats was What I would do...:)
 
I have had the Outlaw for about 6 months now and generally speaking I am pretty happy with it. My neighbour got the bug from watching me and he ended up with the Vaquero about 3 months ago. We do detect together and so I have an opportunity for side by side comparisons.

The Outlaw really likes aluminum and of all the stuff in my test garden, aluminum is the hardest hitting. Bit surprised that gold is pretty easy to miss. The Vaquero is deeper for pretty much every test material we tried and better on gold. Silver and White gold seemed to really stand out with the V, not the O. Some of the guys here saying that 53Silver sold his outlaw which kind of shook me and indeed, as much as I do like the Outlaw, if I were to do it again, I would go after the Vaquero as well. It is for sure deeper and I don't think i will ever use the small coil.

The results below reflect my experience testing these two side by side. All Metal Mode (Depths are less in Disc mode, and yes, these tests are hardly scientifically controlled situations but 2 detectors on hand, same time, no hidden agenda).

Man's Gold Ring
V: 7.5" O: 4.0"

Silver Dime
V: 8" O: 5.5"

Aluminum Pull Tab
V: 10" O: 8"

2" copper wire piece
V: 7" O: 5"

Clad Quarter
V: 8" O: 5"

Clad Dime
V: 8" O: 5"
 
Nice job Tee :O Now with the Vaquero supertuned add three more inches to the numbers.The Vaquero is one of the best all terrain detectors.In harsh dry,bad ground i would want a Vaquero.
 
Tee1up said:
I have had the Outlaw for about 6 months now and generally speaking I am pretty happy with it. My neighbour got the bug from watching me and he ended up with the Vaquero about 3 months ago. We do detect together and so I have an opportunity for side by side comparisons.

The Outlaw really likes aluminum and of all the stuff in my test garden, aluminum is the hardest hitting. Bit surprised that gold is pretty easy to miss. The Vaquero is deeper for pretty much every test material we tried and better on gold. Silver and White gold seemed to really stand out with the V, not the O. Some of the guys here saying that 53Silver sold his outlaw which kind of shook me and indeed, as much as I do like the Outlaw, if I were to do it again, I would go after the Vaquero as well. It is for sure deeper and I don't think i will ever use the small coil.

The results below reflect my experience testing these two side by side. All Metal Mode (Depths are less in Disc mode, and yes, these tests are hardly scientifically controlled situations but 2 detectors on hand, same time, no hidden agenda).

Man's Gold Ring
V: 7.5" O: 4.0"

Silver Dime
V: 8" O: 5.5"

Aluminum Pull Tab
V: 10" O: 8"

2" copper wire piece
V: 7" O: 5"

Clad Quarter
V: 8" O: 5"

Clad Dime

V: 8" O: 5"
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Hi Tee1up - I still have my Outlaw, Vaquero, Silver, Golden, and Compadre! I did a side by side several months ago between the Vaquero and Outlaw using a quarter just to get an idea of how each would do. The advantage the "V" has is in the red zone where it will gain an additional 2 -3 inches. The advantage of the Outlaw is it's excellent disc circuit, and finer ground balance control. The Outlaw is a unit I
 
Thanks Mike.
Not sure why the guys were saying you sold your Outlaw...

You are clearly more experienced with these detectors than my buddy and I were so I would defer to you when it comes to testing methodology. I have made a close study of using these MDs are feel pretty confident right now. Our Vaquero results have been very close to yours but the Outlaw ones are not even close.
 
So I am looking to buy my first Machine and it will be a Tesoro. I have been torn between the Vaquero and the Outlaw. I live in Charleston SC area an d will be hunting for coins and maybe some relics. Looking like the better choice would be the Vaquero now.
 
As mentioned before, the Tesoro's tend to lean a little bit positive when balanced in all metal and then switched to disc mode. I have found that this makes the outlaw lose a considerable depth. Using Montes power balancing technique, you really get a good idea of just how positive it becomes after switching modes. It's important to keep this in mind when doing some comparisons. Proper gb becomes so much more important too when doing a comparison between a machine with a preset gb and one with a manual gb. My idx has a preset gb with an internal trimmer. In all metal the gb is just about perfect. When i switch to disc it is way too pos. I've increased my depth by nearly 3" on a quarter by adjusting gb trimmer a little less pos. This could be what may be happening in your tests...just my opinion......HH...Fred
 
Tee1up said:
Thanks Mike.
Not sure why the guys were saying you sold your Outlaw...

You are clearly more experienced with these detectors than my buddy and I were so I would defer to you when it comes to testing methodology. I have made a close study of using these MDs are feel pretty confident right now. Our Vaquero results have been very close to yours but the Outlaw ones are not even close.
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Just a thought. Make sure you are hitting the Retune button before testing when in the Disc mode. It can cost you as much as 2 inches in depth if you don't.
 
Mike, i still have little trouble understanding the retune button fully. So does the retune button retune to the exact settings you had in all metal ?
 
This post has me freaking out cause i just traded my Vaquero for an Outlaw, I hope it gets better results than what is posted above. I loved my Vaquero I just wanted to try the outlaw based on 53silvers videos. I never really ran my vaquero super tuned and I kept the threshold at about the 1:00 position, I hope the outlaw can at least get depths like that and still be stable. And I would like to know what the retune does.
 
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