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PI vs VLF

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I know that this is may be a very asked question especially for people who are new treasure hunters like me.
Which is better and why?
If it is PI which brand or model do you suggest to me to buy?
Thank's
Adolfo
 
Hi Adolfo, welcome to the detecting addiction. To get decent answers to your questions here you need to provide more specific info. Like where you are, what you want to hunt, where you want to hunt, how serious you want to get with it etc etc. PI detectors are the way to go for beach and salt water hunting, while on dry land the VLF's are the best because they have much better discrimination ability, ie they can virtually cancel out trash metal. Never forget that TRASH metal is the #1 enemy of all detectorists. Cheers, Chris Hake, Australia.
 
But also remeber those who dig all targets come home with more keepers. But I do agree with Chris it matter where you are going to hunt. There are a lot of good VLF machine ment for water hunting, Fishers CZ20, Minelab Excalaber, are two that would be good all purpace machines. HH
 
Thank's Chris, Scottishblood.
I mainly will be hunting on land, I live in Mexico and here are a lot of stories about extrange things happening related with caches (Hope to get at least one of this :) ).
Now I'm using a Fisher Gemini 3 and an old Garret Deepseeker. But I start to lost confidence on both machines because when I detect a point and start to dig after a 50 0r 60 cm I simply lost the signal or it seems to be like a false signal (I don't know if the walls of the hole can be the source of false signals, do you know?).
And I will dig all signals, I think the trash can be a mask for the gold (Am I correct?).
Thank's a lot for your comments and I really appreciate any help or advice you can have for me.
Adolfo
 
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Hello Adolfo
What size targets are you digging for?
I have used a Fisher Explorer two box detector
I bought almost 36 yrs ago.
How zre you trying to pinpoint with your Gemini?
The two box detector I use is a TR detector.
It will detect any metal and when I pinpoint with
it I need to approach the signal area from many
different angles making a mark on the ground at
each approach when I have a circle of marks I
make an X across the circle. The object is at
the crossing point of the X.
If you dig up a large portion of mineralized ground
where something had rusted out you will be destroying the place where you got the signal from
an of course will find nothing as you keep digging.
For small objects I use a standard detector.
Like a Fisher 1266x or Tesoro Bandito-IIUmax.
For buried caches the Gemini will be hard to
beat but it takes a great amount of practice
with objects you burry in the ground ahead of time
and practice on them.
HH
Good luck.
Dan R.
 
Hi Dan,
Actually now I'm looking for a cache that was buried for the father of an oldman 60 years ago. This man said that the package used was a honeybee box (wood box about 40x60x60 cm)and it contains silver coins. It should be at no more than 50 cm deep, the other detector I have is a Garret Deepseeker with 7 & 14 in. coplanar coils but the area has a lot of trash and I dont know how exactly to use the discrimination capabilities of the deepseeker (the users manual seems like a brochure more than a real manual).
In other hand the Gemini can not see a hammer that I left on the surface ground, then I was thinking that it was because the hammer size but lastnight I found pieces of rusted wire smaller than the hammer, Do you know why?
About the pinpoint with the Gemini, I start to use it 1 month ago and I was using the same procedure than you but with only 2 paths at right angles but las night I decided to dig under my feet when i got the strongest signal and it works I found several pieces of rusted iron and some wires. Also I'm decreasing the sensitivity in order of to get a better reading (I'm not sure if it is correcto to decrease sensitivity to do this, Do you thimk Am I correct?)
I'm 36 years old and it says to me that you have all my life using your Fisher Explorer, please share your experiences with me. If you want you can write directly to me at: adolfo@linares.net.mx
With the Gemini I'm getting a signal that I think it comes from the ceiling of a house 3 or 4 mt. above the detector or from a pieces (bicycle) 2 mt. far beside. Is this posible?
One last question Dan. When I'm adjusting the balance knob on the Gemini the manual said that I need to get no more than a 1/4 rotation with a null noise or signal but, Where do I need to left the knob? at the midle of the 1/4 turn rotation? at the begining or at the end?
Thank's a lot.
Adolfo.'.
 
Adolfo:
The Gemini and other similar 2-box units are good on long wires and metal pipes, and on large continuous masses of metal. However, they are not much good for finding an object the size of a hammer, or a large amount of metal in the form of pieces such as a cache of coins. When people use a 2-box unit for locating a cache, they are usually looking for a metal box, or the metal bands binding a wooden box, within which the cache is located. If the cache is really large, or is in the form of bullion bars rather than coins, then a 2-box unit may find the contents of the cache.
It is possible, though not probable, that the Gemini would detect large pieces of a bicycle (frame, wheels) at a distance of 2 meters (6 1/2 feet). It is also possible that it would detect the roof of a house 3-4 meters (10-13 feet)away if the roof is made out of metal or has metal beams. Electrical wiring and metal plumbing in and around the house may also be detected.
A cache of silver coins buried at a depth of 50 cm (for anybody north of the border reading this, 50 cm is 20 inches) should be locatable by most modern VLF and pulse machines if equipped with a large searchcoil, and if the iron mineralization is moderate to low.
Most of Mexico is volcanic and metamorphic geology, which when it weathers and disintegrates in a tropical or subtropical climate, usually gives rise to soils high in iron oxide and hydrated oxide minerals. These iron minerals can cause a large reduction in the depth capability of metal detectors.
I am not very familiar with the Garrett Deepseeker, but I believe it has the capability to find your cache with the 14 inch coil if the iron mineralization in your soil is not too much. I would recommend not using the discriminator-- use the ground balanced all-metals mode. With a little practice you can tell the difference between a deep and a shallow target, and the difference between a large and a small target. If the target is shallow and small, you don't have to dig it, but it might be something valuable so you might want to dig it anyway. If it is deep, then it is large because a small deep target won't be detected. Anything like that you will have to dig. If the target is large and shallow, you will have to dig that, too, but since it's shallow, it won't take a lot of work to dig it. In the process of digging metal other than the cache you're looking for, you may find unexpected items of value. An item with no intrinsic value may have historical value.
In searching for a cache like this, your search will have to be slow, systematic, and methodical. In the process of searching, you will find out what kinds of things you are detecting, at what depth. This will give you an indication whether or not the Garrett is likely to be able to detect the cache under your conditions. If it is not powerful enough to locate the cache, at least you will have eliminated a lot of false targets which would interfere with a search using a more powerful metal detector.
If you fail to find the cache with the Garrett, it may mean that the cache was already retreived by someone else, or that the cache was not buried in the area where you searched, or that the Garrett was unable to find it.
If you don't find the cache with the Garrett, and you believe the cache is still present, you may want to buy or borrow a more powerful metal detector. For cache locating in highly mineralized soils, the best choice will probably be a pulse induction unit with a large searchcoil, preferably one with the ability to balance out red iron oxides while not sacrificing too much sensitivity to coins of the size you believe are in the cache. The Minelab SD series would probably do the job, but they are expensive and designed primarily for locating small gold rather than caches. There are several smaller manufacturers of pulse induction units with large coils designed specifically for cache locating-- I presume that Mr. Bill and Eric Foster will be happy to tell you what they have that is most suitable.
Hope this has been helpful. If anyone who is reading this feels inclined to add to what I have said (or to contradict it) please feel free to do so.
Good luck!
--Dave Johnson
 
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