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Picking the right metal detector

waterjunkie

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Hi All, I'm a NEWBIE, I have been looking around for the right metal detector for my needs and I hope you can help. I live in South Florida and most of my hunting will be in water, up to 100ft deep and sand. But, I don't want to limit it to just water. I'd like to be able to hunt on land too. I have looked and looked and looked and came across the Garrett Infinium LS. I've read all the spec's and user reviews and believe this maybe the model I'm seeking, but, since I'm new, I'm not sure if I'm getting in over my head. I have read of other peoples frustration as a first detector. I don't want something too sophisticated that I will become frustrated and feel like I bit off more than I can chew or want to undertake. If you hunt in do the same things I am looking to do, can you give me your constructive comments and/or suggestions and your experiences?
 
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Thanks Joel. I will look in there.

"When in doubt, look intelligent." -Garrison Keillor

I like that. It's only money. lol...
 
Hello waterjunkie, welcome aboard mate. I have never used that particular unit, but understand it to have about the steepest learning curve, of about any of the submersibles on the market. You will eventually become proficient in it's use, with the other's help on the forum, but be ready to get your mind STRETCHED. Best of luck mate!
 
Hi Gulf Hunter, I see you like Excalibers. Nice. Have you ever used a Garrett Infinium LS? What made you select the Excal? Is it easier to use than the Garrett? As I said I'm new, so any advice, would be appreciated in my search for the easiest to use and the best all around detector saltwater, beach and land.

Thanks
 
waterjunkie said:
Hi Gulf Hunter, I see you like Excalibers. Nice. Have you ever used a Garrett Infinium LS? What made you select the Excal? Is it easier to use than the Garrett? As I said I'm new, so any advice, would be appreciated in my search for the easiest to use and the best all around detector saltwater, beach and land.

Thanks

Yes I do like the Excal. It is not the deepest seeking, but I am able to cover MUCH greater expanses of water, since I no longer have to dig iron. It is reasonably easy to learn, but still learning, LOL! Everytime you dig a piece of iron, it takes time away from being able to find non-ferrous targets. Of course, the best thing is to dig it ALL out, but sometimes that is an insurmountable task.

No, I have never used the Infinium, but have SERIOUSLY considered one. Even with my level of experience in the field though, I was not up for the brain overload trying to overcome the learning curve. I'm SURE it is a VERY capable unit, but certainly the most challenging submersible on the market today, to learn. Good luck with your decision waterjunkie.
 
HI Gulf Hunter, now that you've opened my eyes to the efficiency of the Excal and knowing time is limited underwater, especially, going deep, the Excel just moved up my list to investigate. I found out a lot of great things about the Infinium in these forums and I appreciate everyones input. Can you tell me which Excel might suite my needs considering me being a novice to detecting? It sounds like the learning is not as great as the Infinium, but, it can provide similar and in some cases more accurate results.

Thanks

Waterjunkie
Staying wet
 
Here is one of mine, from a few months back. Kinda tells the differences on the 800 & 1000.

Re: Excalibur 800 vs 1000 advice needed
Posted by: Gulf Hunter [ Send a PM ]
Date: August 13, 2008 12:42AM Registered: 3 years ago
Posts: 4,319

I own and use a 1000 and 2) 800s. There is a time and place for each. They BOTH find loot, NO QUESTION!

They both have strong advantages and disadvantages over the other, let me explain. I love each of them too, but Huntress uses the 800 when she hunts, as it is lighter for her.

1000

Strengths
1. Covers better and does not require as much overlapping of the sweep.
2. May be a hair deeper seeking, but hard to tell.

Weaknesses
1. Must be swept slower to allow good signal penetration, without overrunning targets or causing the sensitivity to need to be backed off due to too fast of a sweep.
2. Harder to control in deeper water and wave action, current.
3. Since the coil is larger, a good target could be masked, while in close proximity to iron, especially if sweeping too fast.

800

Strengths
1. Easily controlled in deeper water, current and wave action.
2. Target separation is ABSOLUTELY superior. It will pick a 1000 apart in a trashy area. It can sniff gold out of a nail infested area better than any I've seen.
3. It can be swung faster than the 1000, without losing good penetration.
4. It can be run hotter on sensitivity than the 1000, without pushing the unit into a strained mode of operation, because it is not reading as much ground.

Weakness
1. It does not cover as well and needs to have more overlapping of coil sweeps, to ensure good coverage of the area.

As you can see, I like the 800 better in many ways, but I sweep very slow, so the 1000 works better for me, as I like the ability to cover more ground. In trashy areas though, the 800 will rule the conditions there, from my experience.
 
Here's a little blurb about the Infinium in case you haven't researched it this far...

"The Infinium does have some discrimination characteristics. It's not like an accumulative type or notch found on VLF type detectors. In fact, the Infinium is entirely different then any other type of detector. What the Infinium can do as far as discrimination is concerned, is give a tone HIGH-LOW for iron, aluminum and gold. It also gives off a LOW-HIGH signal for silver, copper and again iron. So iron and other junk is always the wild card in both types of signals, as it is a Pulse Induction type of detector. However, the Infinium also comes with an iron check, which again helps with getting a better probability of what type (iron or not?) target it is. Now the Infinium has a bit of a learning curve, and if you are new to metal detecting and lack basic theory on how the machines operate, don't buy one. It will be a lesson in frustration for you.

Now having said that, other little techniques are on your learning curve to be discovered. For instance, the smoothness/roughness of the tone gives a hint as to whether it is an iron rusted target or not. The "Sustain" length of time that the Infinium gives after reading a target gives you a hint as to its size. The Infinium gives a double bleep on bobby pins and wire. So......if you only want to dig gold, only dig the HIGH-LOW signals. That removes a lot of signals that you can leave in the ground. Also, use the iron check, which even cuts out more targets. If you want to dig mostly coins, including old deep silver, dig only the LOW-HIGH signals. Again....use the iron check.

Is the Infinium the holy grail of detectors? No it isn't. It's a PI and loves iron, like all PI's. Iron can not be discriminated out like a VLF detector. But it goes DEEP! It must be ground balanced and a proper frequency must be picked for maximum performance. I have pulled rings out at over 14 inches with a nice strong signal. It is one of (if not the) deepest machines available. It was designed to get gold in some of the highest mineralized soils in the world. It works in all salt water/beach environments and is water proof too.

Is it a good coin shooter? Perhaps, but only in areas where there are few targets. It's not practical for park environments, as it picks up all metals, even those that your VLF will miss. I have had some success using it in the woods, digging only the LOW-HIGH signals. It should also perform well at relic hunting too.

Where it worked best for me was in hunted out beaches where most of the targets had been removed. The best beach hunters dig ALL targets. The Infinium isn't for everyone, and is not a do it all detector. But if you give it the time it deserves to learn it properly, and use it in its proper environment, it is a killer. I have my best gold ring year ever in 15 years using this machine."
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Now, the Infinium and Excalibur demand 2 different types of hunting techniques:

Using the Excalibur allows you to NOT dig certain targets because it has a accumulative type of discrimination. So, you can pick and choose to what degree you may want to dig good probable targets.

The Infinium has limited discrimination, so you tend to dig more targets.

Some water hunters dig all targets, and manage to get those tiny rings and other "surprises" that a lot of other hunters miss. So, they end up digging more junk too.

Some hunters like to cherry pick and only dig the "better" sounding targets, digging less targets in a day.

So, it depends on your style of hunting. I know a good ground-balanced Infinium will easily find a gold ring at 12 inches using the 8 inch mono coil. I also know that the Infinium can hunt areas where the mineralization and/or high salt content with ease, whereas the Excalibur may find those areas challenging. It also depends where you are doing most of your hunting hunting also.

You are getting some good information from all the replies. Good luck with whatever machine you get.
 
Actually, there's a bit more to the disc. issue and iron/trash that hasn't been mentioned. 1) People keep going on and on about the 'iron check' feature as if it's an all or nothing deal. Well, there's nothing stopping a person from just advancing the pulse delay part way. This erves 2 purposes, the first being to knock out some of the tiny iron junk and some of the low conductive junk, and the second being to advance the 'tone break' up the scale. 2) While the Infinium, being a PI, has trouble with iron, nobody seems to remember that VLF detectors (including BBS units) have as many, or worse, problems with iron when it gets beyond a certain depth. In fact, a VLF (in bad ground) will generally have problems ID'ing NON-FERROUS targets beyond a certain depth.. and that can be very shallow indeed. I've had both an Infinium and 3 BBS detectors (amongst others) and have tested them on old/fresh buried targets and those were my findings. On a freshwater beach, with TONS of buried iron at different depths, a VLF/BBS detector did no better than the Infinium in the good vs. bad target department. ..Willy.
 
I have an Excalibur 2 and it's completely the wrong detector for me, I will also be looking for an iInfinium. I went to the beach yesterday and lealised that it's not as good at discriminating as I first thought, it has trouble at depth. I agree what Willy said. Plus, if you're working a worked out beach (like the ones I go to) than you might as well only go for the faint or deep-ish signals, since the obvious signals are iron, from all the discriminating detectorists that had left them there.
 
I have an Excal and I work one of the busiest beaches on the east coast, Myrtle Beach. Everyone tells me it is overworked and that I will never find anything, wrong. It is not unusual to see 5 guys on your same beach, they even invade my line I working all the time and I have no problem finding the items we all want, the trick is to go slow and steady. You can not rush the Excalibur, just takes some time to learn its quirks, all detectors have quirks. Other on the market are good also but I have been very happy with my Excalibur.
I have used Tesoro and Garrett, have not used the Infinium.
My advise is slow and steady, get what others leave behind.
 
Thanks for all the input, I am leaning towards the Infinium LS. I have received so much valuable input from everyone responding and I want to thank all of you. This forum is great and the member are some the the most helpful and friendliest people I've had the opportunity to chat with, thanks. I have an acre and a half to practice on with sandy and black dirt. I will start in my yard planting different materials at different depths and just keep at it, until I'm ready for the beach. Then start the same process at the beach. I'm hoping by playing at my house first, it will lower the frustration level and familiarize myself with the beast. The best price I've found, so far, is $ 1,020.99, with several accessories at http://www.kellycodetectors.com/garrett/garrett-infiniumls.htm. Ebay has several refurbs for $799, but, I'll steer clear. the learning curve will be tough enough without wondering if something is wrong with the machine and it's behaving properly.

How long has the LS been on the market?

It's funny though, all these machines sound very similar to WOMEN...lol temper mental, moody, you have to move slowly, constantly adjusting for all or any conditions and yes you have to listen, but, somethings you can tune out. But, at the end you always hit gold.... Just joking ladies, I'm very happily married...

The kicker to all this is, my wife wants to use the MD too....So, patience waterjunkie, patience.


Waterjunkie
Stay wet
 
((It's funny though, all these machines sound very similar to WOMEN...lol temper mental, moody, you have to move slowly, constantly adjusting for all or any conditions and yes you have to listen, but, somethings you can tune out. But, at the end you always hit gold.... Just joking ladies, I'm very happily married...))

The kicker to all this is, my wife wants to use the MD too....So, patience water junkie, patience.
Good recovery or your LS it may be out the window !lololo
Good one !:thumbup:
 
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