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POT OF GOLD

el bandido

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At least I know how to post these pictures.. As I have been told these pots were used to bury gold coins by the officers or rich soldiers during the war with the Christeros in Mexico. When I got it, only had a few copper coins. Does anyone know anything about this cast iron pot?
 
what is it that you want to know about the cast iron pot? Do you mean .......... as in ... it's original purpose?

Did you dig that up some where? Or "find" it in some above ground place?
 
I want to know what ever I can find out about the pot, I've searched the internet and haven't found anything. It could be a good bean pot as far as I know. What do you know??
 
Tom what do you know about this type of pot. I was told they were made especially for the soldiers before they went into battle to bury their valuables. This pot I was told was cast during the time of the Revolution in Mexico around 1912 I think.
 
Sorry,

A typical cast iron "Dutch oven" so called because so many were made in the irinworking districts of Holland and Belgum for export to the colonies. Our US ones look a little different, but the one you picture, made in Mexico - looks a lot like the South African ones called "potjies" by the Boers. the number 18 is the size.
See

http://www.texastastes.com/p1530.htm

http://www.ez-gas.com/index.php?pr=Potjie_Pots
 
Lytle78 gives great info. I couldn't put my finger on it, but he did. Just, as is shown, just an awkward pot. No "treasure" purpose (although anyone, can you use any receptable, for anything he/she wants, I suppose :))

I suspect the information you got, that their purpose was specifically for burrying $$, is steeped in treasure superstition, which is prevalent south of the border. I run into a lot of immigrants in my part of CA, who are simply convinced that a treasure is in every cave, and the floor of every old casa. Why? Because "someone who told someone who told someone who told someone", etc..... And the original person saw a vision, or smoke or lights coming from the hills, or whatever. Before long, the superstitions get taken as absolute fact. Not saying someone never buried anything. Sure, it happens (and happened here too). And no more so in an iron kettle, than anything else available to their means.

So where did you get your kettle?
 
lytie78, thanks for the good information in the following I explain how I came to own the pot. I do feel there is some truth in the fact that the pots were made for individuals. The name on the pot is my mother in laws maiden last name.. Santiago, J.Franco.






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Tom, Thank you for all the help on the pot thing but I will continue my research and post any new information I find here on this forum. I obtained the pot from a rather elderly gentleman who was moving and had some things that had belonged to his grandfather(all of this taking place in Guadalajara Mexico) when I walked by and saw the pot. I asked about it and got the story about the soldiers and the valuables that were hidden in the pot and then buried. He said it had belonged to his grandfather and that he had gotten it from another member of the family. The name J Franco Santiago was that mans name and the number 18 was the number of the company or squad or something that he belonged to. He didn't want to sell it but I insisted, with no luck. The next day I saw him and asked about the pot and he said I had shown so much interest in the pot he would sell it to me. To make it quick I paid $500 pesos for it (about $40 US) including the the old coins it contained. Coins from the 30's and 40's but not worth much. I haven't had time to look at all the coins and add up the face value because I had to return home but will soon. That's all I know plus what information mytie sent me..By the way all you have to do here is walk down to the beach with your detector and hear all of the stories of the treasures buried on someones ranch or near some stream or someplace.. People tell me they know exactly where the silver or gold is buried and why don't I go with my detector and find it? MY answer to them is "if you know where it is get a shovel and dig it up" not interested after that..I've heard all the stories about flames and smoke and steam coming out of the ground or by a tree where there is surely gold buried there. Dreams or maybe the truth, who knows?
 
In any event you got a good deal on a nice pot! Who knows where it's been ad what stories it could tell.
 
Yup. It's the same thing here in my town. We are heavily agriculture, which has brought lots of immigrants following the farm labor here. And it's like you say: someone who barely speaks english sees you. He watches from a distance for awhile, and finally gets brave and comes to talk to you. First thing they always ask is: "how deep does it detect?". And then ..... in their best english, launch into tales of treasure back in their hometown in Mexico, "if only someone would/could come down with one of these detectors". And when you ask them "how do you know there's treasure there?" and "what's the source of your info?", it's always someone who told someone who told someone who told someone who ......... you get the picture. Or someone had a vision of the virgin mary, or smoke or sparkles coming from the dirt, or a light in the corner, blah blah blah. It's all superstition, I have come to be fully convinced. But of course, ......... you can never tell them that, lest you insult their machismo. So now I just say "whatever", and let them spin their tales.
 
I did meet one man up in California who told me about finding a clay pot full of silver coins in his home town where I had lived a short period of time. He was repairing an old house and when they tore up the kitchen floor which was all tile he found this pot full of coins. He called the owner of the house and he came to see and at the same time reached into the pot and pulled out a hand full of coins and said " here this is for you". He told me he still had the coins because I wasn't really believing him and he said if I waited for a couple of minutes he would show them to me he had them in his pick up truck in the parking lot! Much to my surprise he returned with a little cloth sack and showed me the coins. One peso coins twice the size of a silver dollar, even had a couple of silver cobs in with the coins. He said he just carried them around in his pick up which he used for work. I suggested he put them in a safer place and he said he was OK with the truck because he had carried them around for 5 or 6 years and hadn't lost any. He suggested we meet in the little town but I lost his card and contact with him, it's only about an hour and a half drive from where I am so I may make a trip up there this winter just to poke around. Interesting little town, was the center of gold mining way back when. That's a true story, maybe I should tell you about the tailor who lived in Hollywood and was the tailor to the stars, he had pictures to prove it, but what was interesting was the tale about his little home town..Where there was lots of money and other precious items hidden, not sure where but they are there according to him..
 
Well, all I can say is, I still doubt the stories, even the ones that un-ravel like the one you relate here. I too can tell you story after story, given to me by my well-meaning sincere host, who took me down to various towns in Mexico. So too were each of the "iron-clad" tight. He had "seen the coins with his own eyes" afterall, or "my great grandmother saw the conquistadors burying the loot" afterall, and all sorts of colorful proofs! But when we got down there, we found nothing but reams of trash. They have no curbside trash service in the smaller towns, so everyone just conveniently buries their trash in their backyards, or dumps it by the closest river or ruins, etc..... So I began to inquire more deeply about the "eye-witnesses" and "coins as proof" etc... And each one began to un-ravel! It became things like "well, we don't actually have the coins anymore, but my daughter saw them!". So you say "where the daughter, I'd like to ask her what she saw". And well, you guessed it, the daughter is gone. Or if you find this supposed witness, it turns out, they too didn't actually see it, but heard it firsthand from some other "reliable" source, etc... Or if they show you old coins that "came from a pot", well ...... it turns out they didn't actually see the coins come from an actual pot, but the person handing it to them (who's reliable mind you), saw them come from the pot (who are you to doubt?). And I suppose if you tried to track down THAT person, they too "heard it from someone who heard from someone..... " etc... You never actually get to the root of the lead, no matter how much the person telling you the story, paints themselves as a first-person witness.

I'm still convinced it's all superstition. And to the extent there's a few true cache recovery stories down there, they are the ones that fuel 1000 other fables and superstitions. Because, heck, there's occasional caches found here too. I don't think it's any more pronounced in Mexico, vs here. It's just the superstition that causes us to think there's more there, than here. In fact, poverty reigns in Mexico. In a town of 1000 people out in the sticks, for instance, out of 200 homes in a small village like that, perhaps the "people with the money", in the past, were relegated to just 4 or 5 of the families. Those would have been the mayor or person with the property or stores, etc.... It's almost like a "caste" system down there, even to today, in small towns. Thus the vast majority of houses, in any given town, would never have had more than minimal means. ie.: nothing to burry (baring what amounts to "change"). You'd have to know which house was occupied by the wealthy. And even then, it assumes something was buried, and never retrieved. Yet they'll tell you that they are absolutely convinced that a treasure awaits them in every house.
 
That's a great deal for $40.00 dollars anyway you look at it. Find out how to get the rust out of that pot and re-season it. Thanks for sharing.
 
The Flower family lived in a little house in a broad grassy meadow,
which sloped a few rods from their front door down to a gentle,
silvery river. Right across the river rose a lovely dark green
mountain, and when there was a rainbow, as there frequently was,
nothing could have looked more enchanting than it did rising from
the opposite bank of the stream with the wet, shadowy mountain for a
background. All the Flower family would invariably run to their front
windows and their door to see it.

The Flower family numbered nine: Father and Mother Flower and seven
children. Father Flower was an unappreciated poet, Mother Flower was
very much like all mothers, and the seven children were very sweet and
interesting. Their first names all matched beautifully with their last
name, and with their personal appearance. For instance, the oldest
girl, who had soft blue eyes and flaxen curls, was called Flax Flower;
the little boy, who came next, and had very red cheeks and loved to
sleep late in the morning, was called Poppy Flower, and so on. This
charming suitableness of their names was owing to Father Flower. He
had a theory that a great deal of the misery and discord in the world
comes from things not matching properly as they should; and he thought
there ought to be a certain correspondence between all things that
were in juxtaposition to each other, just as there ought to be between
the last two words of a couplet of poetry. But he found, very often,
there was no correspondence at all, just as words in poetry do not
always rhyme when they should. However, he did his best to remedy
it. He saw that every one of his children's names were suitable
and accorded with their personal characteristics; and in his
flower-garden--for he raised flowers for the market--only those of
complementary colors were allowed to grow in adjoining beds, and, as
often as possible, they rhymed in their names. But that was a more
difficult matter to manage, and very few flowers were rhymed, or, if
they were, none rhymed correctly. He had a bed of box next to one of
phlox, and a trellis of woodbine grew next to one of eglantine, and a
thicket of elder-blows was next to one of rose; but he was forced
to let his violets and honeysuckles and many others go entirely
unrhymed--this disturbed him considerably, but he reflected that it
was not his fault, but that of the man who made the language and named
the different flowers--he should have looked to it that those of
complementary colors had names to rhyme with each other, then all
would have been harmonious and as it should have been.

Father Flower had chosen this way of earning his livelihood when he
realized that he was doomed to be an unappreciated poet, because it
suited so well with his name; and if the flowers had only rhymed a
little better he would have been very well contented. As it was, he
never grumbled. He also saw to it that the furniture in his little
house and the cooking utensils rhymed as nearly as possible, though
that too was oftentimes a difficult matter to bring about, and
required a vast deal of thought and hard study. The table always stood
under the gable end of the roof, the foot-stool always stood where it
was cool, and the big rocking-chair in a glare of sunlight; the lamp,
too, he kept down cellar where it was damp. But all these were rather
far-fetched, and sometimes quite inconvenient. Occasionally there
would be an article that he could not rhyme until he had spent years
of thought over it, and when he did it would disturb the comfort
of the family greatly. There was the spider. He puzzled over that
exceedingly, and when he rhymed it at last, Mother Flower or one of
the little girls had always to take the spider beside her, when she
sat down, which was of course quite troublesome. The kettle he rhymed
first with nettle, and hung a bunch of nettle over it, till all the
children got dreadfully stung. Then he tried settle, and hung the
kettle over the settle. But that was no place for it; they had to go
without their tea, and everybody who sat on the settle bumped his head
against the kettle. At last it occurred to Father Flower that if he
should make a slight change in the language the kettle could rhyme
with the skillet, and sit beside it on the stove, as it ought, leaving
harmony out of the question, to do. Accordingly all the children were
instructed to call the skillet a skettle, and the kettle stood by its
side on the stove ever afterward.:clapping:
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