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Published January 23, 2005

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RICHMOND -- Well-organized expeditions of relic hunters are sneaking onto private property, under cover of darkness, and digging up historic artifacts to sell for big bucks, the state's archaeology community says.
Some diggers wear camouflage and hide their work under heavy tarps, poaching pieces of the state's past.
The problem is getting worse, fueled by Internet sales of American Indian pottery, jewelry swiped from burial grounds in the southwest part of the state and Revolutionary War-era relics taken from Peninsula sites, archaeologists say. The market for Civil War memorabilia is booming.
A bill before the General Assembly would make it a misdemeanor to prospect for relics on historically important land without permission.
"It is very hard to guard against this kind of behavior," said Marley Brown, chief archaeologist at Colonial Williamsburg. "If people want to find things and they're willing to trespass, it's very hard to guard against. Some people will dig wherever they think they can't run into people."
A Civil War sword belt plate, supposedly excavated from somewhere in Charles City County, is up for sale on the Internet for $450. A Jefferson Davis hatpin is priced at $225. Jacket buttons can fetch up to $300.
Spent Civil War bullets are routinely bought and sold on the Internet for $35 a shot.
It's impossible to tell whether those pieces were found by legitimate means - by those who have either a landlord's permission to dig or permits to excavate on state or federal property, as current law requires.
But archaeologists have seen evidence of illegal digs on private property and are pushing for a law to address the problem.
"We think the bill really builds on existing trespass laws," said Elizabeth S. Kostelny, executive director of the Association for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities. "Virginia has a wealth of treasures, and some of them happen to be below ground. It's a serious problem, and it's getting more serious."
The bill, sponsored by Del. Marian Van Landingham, D-Alexandria, isn't viewed as a cure for the problem but as another tool to prevent illegal relic hunting. Supporters say the measure would preserve property owners' rights, while allowing up to a year in jail for digging without permission and disturbing sites that could be historically important.
The measure would also create a state archaeologist, at an annual cost of $97,000, which could be a problem with some legislators. But bill supporters are focusing on the private-property penalties.
"This is destroying our heritage," Van Landingham said. "You destroy an archaeological site, you make it very difficult to reinstate it."
State Sen. Thomas K. Norment Jr., R-James City, said he heard of problems near Williamsburg with people digging without permission around a golf course.
"We don't want any Northerners coming down here and stealing our stuff and selling it for a profit," Norment said.
Some relic hunters say the bill targets a problem that does not exist and is being pushed by snobby archaeologists who look down their noses at the "metal-detector community," as they sometimes call themselves because they use the devices to uncover relics.
"In general, the treasure-hunting community thinks these archaeological boards go along the line with environmentalists all the time, saying, 'My God, we have to protect everything,' " Matt Mattson said. He's a relic hunter who gained national prominence in 1989 when he found two Civil War blockade-runner ships in Florida.
At least relic hunters are finding items of historical significance, even if they are sold, instead of being tucked aside in a museum, said Mattson, who lives near Tampa, Fla.
"So some people sell what they find. Should we make that a crime?" he said. "Thousands and thousands of musket balls are already sitting in archaeologists' drawers, never to be seen again. What harm is there with some guy waving his metal detector around, looking for more? I think archaeology boards are fine, but by God, do some archaeology on something important."
The damage isn't so much that a relatively common object is taken but that the ground around it is disturbed, said Dave Hazzard, head of the Virginia Department of Historic Resources' Threatened Sites Program
That could render a potentially important archaeological site all but useless to those seeking to better understand the state's past, he said - something that he refers to as a "time crime." Other objects dug up nearby can help explain how people lived at the time, he said.
Hazzard said he'd seen holes dug by illegal excavators in a York County park, probes dug in privately owned woods and evidence that professional relic hunters use heavy tarps to hide what they're doing as they conducted large-scale digs in farm fields at night, using headlamps for light.
"They leave a real mess, holes all over the place. It's a real problem for the farmers," Hazzard said. "That kind of thing can be a travesty."
He said he once saw the grave of a Civil War soldier, buried in a privately owned cemetery, desecrated by a single waist-deep hole by someone clearly searching for a highly prized belt and who wasn't interested in anything else.
Hazzard said he'd seen pickup trucks full of Revolutionary War-era memorabilia hauled away from Yorktown sites.
The archaeology community was shocked to learn last fall of a Web site that advertised a two-day relic-hunting expedition, in which participants would pay to be taken on guided tours, so they could dig all they wanted - a kind of relic-hunting safari. The Web site has since been taken down.
"Where there is a market, there are going to be people who are just going to go for it, regardless of whether it is private property or state or federal land," Hazzard said.
"This is a nonrenewable resource. Once you've torn it up, it's a problem.
"And it's all about the buck. It's the dollar."
Brown, of Colonial Williamsburg, said the archaeological community is especially incensed at the "systematic looting" of American Indian burial grounds and caves in the southwest part of the state by organized networks of relic hunters.
Colonial Williamsburg did a survey of its property in the 1980s and found plenty of evidence that illegal diggers had been busy, Brown said.
"We were kind of surprised. We suspect it's been going on for 40 to 50 years," he said. "I think it's going on all over the place.
"These people offend me. They're after money. I think my colleagues cannot believe the audacity and visibility of these people ... and the specious arguments used to justify their behavior."
Virginia's relic-hunting community is mobilizing to battle the bill, think that archaeologists are exaggerating a problem best handled with trespass laws on the books now, said Stephen W. Sylvia of Orange County, who publishes North South Trader's Civil War magazine.
"A lot of those lands aren't posted. It's a don't-ask, don't-tell situation," said Sylvia, a relic hunter since 1969.
"It's private property, but who gives a damn? They aren't battlefields. They're often Civil War camps.
"They're not important to history."
The large-scale digs cited by archaeologists were conducted with the permission of landlords paid to allow diggers to come onto their properties, Sylvia said.
And though some diggers do trespass, it's usually on properties owned by big corporations or farming conglomerates where it isn't feasible to get permission, he said.
"Yes, there are always a few jerks, the guys who work at night with headlights, but the archaeologists have targeted all of us," Sylvia said.
"They want to get rid of us. Some archaeologists I've talked to think we are just amateurs and shouldn't be entitled to do this in any way, shape or form. That seems to be their atti- tude."
 
tresspassing laws already exist, and those that violate them will suffer the consequences.
it does no one any good to leave lost metal rot in the ground, and disintegrate into nothing. and that's exactly what's happening. they're not telling you the whole truth. i've seen the difference between civil war buttons and buckles that have been dug recently vs. 20 years ago. today, you're lucky if you can pull a button out of the ground around here that doesn't crumble into a hundred pieces in your hand.
and now, they want to mess with a free market society, by manipulating the price of dug items by restricting buying and selling, and charging people with a FELONY. this is the craziest part. i'm telling you folks, this is out of control.
i congratulate all ethical metal detectorists for saving some history from decay and reckless land developement.
 
.this is the same line that new jersey used in banning metal detecting on public land in that state. they are really concerned about relics being sold on Ebay. i cited the english system of the government getting first dibs on anything found. i did not get one reply to all of those emails. i also suggested that if Ebay was the big culprit maybe they should outlaw that too while they were at it. these people in government are not the same as us. once they are elected, they seem to change into all knowing gods. they have understanding of the word public.
 
that one guy saying 'We don't want any Northerners coming down here and looting our stuff' or something to that effect, I have a hard time believing it's all damn Yankees sneaking down under the cover of darkness to loot Virginia's past treasures, frankly. In fact, I have a hard time believing it's as big a problem as they are making it out to be in the first place. Prosecute those who break the law, sure, but to say all detectorists are thieves is idiotic.
 
It up to all of you whatever this bill get passed or not .. really! .. Talk to people in VA .. even those who never heard of a "Metal Detector" before and explain to them how you feel that your freedom is being taken away ..
Metal detecting commuity is still too small to be heard and large part of it is made up with so many indvidvials that doesn't like to be part of the community and want to keep it for himself/herself is what hurting this hobby "Oh that "thier" problem not mine since I only water hunt or coin shoot and don't relic hunt" etc etc ..
I am not telling you have to share your hunting honey holes or your serect of getting those deep targets .. I am asking that you should get yourself invole of those politics and stop thinking that "there someone fighting for me" of course there always someone fighting to prevent those but it never enough and it get passed anyway.
I have not yet seen 1 bill that was being proposed to prevent metal detecting failed to pass .. they all had passed a far I know ..so it likly this VA deal is gonna pass for sure ..
Only thing I have seen failed to pass was the Mining law and the mining companies was saying the SAME thing what the archaeologists is saying now hoping that such bills will get passed and they can have it all for themseleves knowing they will never get everything .. that Mining bill FAILED because people who love to mine as a hobby got together and form club like GPAA to prevent such measure and prevent it occuring again in the future .. Hell look at the 4x4 activies .. they almost lost their hobby seveal year ago when a bill was trying to be pass saying you can't go off roading tearing up the lands public or private and suddenly there was a rush or 4x4 club popping all over the country networking together to prevent such bill to pass .. they still pass a bill but they also worked it out to provide thousand of acres of public land for 4x4 hobbiest.
it's up to YOU! If you want to lose those detecting grounds to a bunch of liars who can go around saying this or that happened and we need to pass to prevent it from happening then just don't do anything . maybe post a whine or two on forum because it will happen.
Choice is yours..
Bill
 
I wonder what those dead people's spirits and Ancestors think of the archaeologists digging up their graves and holding nothing sacred? I know 500 years from now I don't want some greedy archaeologist digging up my bones and examining them - so I'll be cremeted.
We dig some metal from the ground and we're the bad guys??? That right there is bullcrap!
as a joke - I buried a plastic mouse with string wrapped around it's neck in a colonial bottle dump.
I figure when they dig that up - they'll be fascinated how people used string to kill mice, or so I joked would be their conclusion. Some of the ludicrous things they conjure up from digs is most amusing. <img src="/metal/html/angry.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":mad">
 
I wonder what those dead people's spirits and Ancestors think of the archaeologists digging up their graves and holding nothing sacred? I know 500 years from now I don't want some greedy archaeologist digging up my bones and examining them - so I'll be cremeted.
We dig some metal from the ground and we're the bad guys??? That right there is bullcrap!
as a joke - I buried a plastic mouse with string wrapped around it's neck in a colonial bottle dump.
I figure when they dig that up - they'll be fascinated how people used string to kill mice, or so I joked would be their conclusion. Some of the ludicrous things they conjure up from digs is most amusing. <img src="/metal/html/angry.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":mad">
 
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