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Question about how often to calibrate a 180 meter.

JASONSPAZ1

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I have one of Ron's 180 meters on my Sovereign GT and I think it is an awesome accessory.
I like to bounce back and forth between my S.E.F 12x10 and my Sunray S-8.
Do I need to recalibrate every time I switch coils?
How often do I need to calibrate?
What makes the meter go out of calibration?
Does a calibrated meter stay calibrated when I switch coils?
What makes the meter go out of calibration in the first place?
Also when calibrating and doing the quarter 180 test, Do I need to do the test in the air or do I need to have quarter ground laying on the soil?
Any other tips you guys can give me about calibrating and using Ron's 180 meter, or any other meter for the GT.
Thanks in advance.

HH
Jason
 
Jason the only coil that reads different on my meters is the SEF coil , lets say all my meters read 180 for a quarter either in soil or just laying on the ground with BBS coils the SEF coil will read 178 the only coil to do that i do not make any adjustments in my meter,s because if i change coils lets say i use a 10" stock next then i would have to adjust the meter again , i just leave it i know what 178 is its really 180 on the SEF , got it ? lol , SEF coils are made different i really do not know what the difference is .In a week ill have Rons meter also on one of my Sovereign,s :thumbup: HH Jim
 
Jason,
I use the Sunray DTI II meter and I calibrate for each coil as it is ususally off a few numbers. I make sure the area is clear of junk, then lie a clad quarter on top of the ground and swing over. I look at where my meter is "landing" then make then neccessary adjustment. I then swing back over the quarter (and re-adjust if neccessary) until it locks nicely on 180. I will add it will lock on so nicely its just about at the point of flipping to 181. Not quite sure why the meter is "off" from coil to coil (internal coil dynamics? ) but I make sure I calibrate each time I change the coil. I remember one case in particular of hearing a perfect(perfect to me anyways) high tone and was preparing to cut my plug and happened to glance at the meter - it only read 176. I retrieved the copper penny and ran the coil over it and still read 176. I then tried a clad quarter - same thing. Sure enough the meter was off by 4 just changing from my 10" tornado to my 8". Obviously I calibrated and moved on. HH - Jim
 
Never thought about re-calibrating. Never touched it since it's initial setup.
 
Jason,there's a port on the back of the meter.Just loosen the one screw and slide the cover open.Once the pot is exposed just a touch with a small screw driver to bring it back into calibration right turn will increase and let turn decrease.Example if the SEF coil is reading 178 for a US quarter,very small right turn should bring it to calibration or close.When I calibrate a meter usually takes a small touch or two to have a solid 180. Hope this helps.HH Ron
 
Usually once set for a coil, the pot won't need re-calibrated every hunt after that unless you bump the pot or switch coils. But don't think it needs re-adjusted until the machine warms up about 5 or 6 minutes or so. I often find it'll be about 2 digits off until the machine and meter warm up.

Don't think of the adjustment pot on all Sovereign meters as a negative. Think of it as a positive. By calibrating the meter to the coil, you can be sure taht all targets on the scale should read identical from coil to coil, where as on other machines based on the coil being used some targets can read a bit off in some situations.

I have tried adjusting the meter with a coin in the air or in the ground and it makes no difference that I have ever saw in VDI. I try to adjust the meter towards the high end of 180 so it's more prone to do that easier on targets, just in case a borderline silver coin might not be able to get over the hump due to minerals or dry conditions or being word or on edge or something.

I have tested Ron's meter and the Digisearch Minelab meter on various targets from low to high condutors and nickels in between. All these targets read exactly the same in the test pool I used from meter to meter, so you can be confident any meter should read the same if calibrated properly I would think. Also, Ron's meter will go -506 (negative 505 or 506....I always forget) just like the Digisearch meter when the machine resets.

I calibrate a meter in the field by thumping the coil on the ground to get the machine to reset, so I don't have to throw a coin down and then pick it back up after calibrating. If the meter is set to -505 or -506 (forget which off hand at the moment) it will go 180 on a clad dime or quarter or silver coins. Sometimes copper pennies like wheats read 180 for me too but many don't for me, and will linger in the 178 # range or so, and there are various wheats or indians that will also read lower down the scale too in several places.

PS- My Digisearch meter is getting a dead spot in the tuning pot which makes it tricky tune tune and seems always out of calibration from hunt to hunt and requires re-adjusting. Sooner or later I'll take it apart and clean that pot with some non-residue electrical contact cleaner. Also, there is a second rough calibration adjustment pot in there, so even if I can't fix the dead spot I can turn that other pot a tiny bit and then the external one should ride on a different contact point avoiding the dead spot. Been meaning to do either or both these things if the cleaning don't help

I baby Ron's meter as my quality back up unit, since my Digisearch has been used and abused in the woods or a drizzle in the past. I figure so long as I keep Ron's reserved on for nice days in open areas on certain days when the mood strikes me, I'll always have it as a reliable backup for when the Digisearch finally bites the dust.

But, on the other hand, I'm planning on picking up a used Sovereign control box for my water rig some day, since I don't need any coils or shafts for that, and if I do I can see myself loaning on that second Sovereign with Ron's meter on it to expose a few season detectorists I know to the Sovereign "drug" of addiction, because while they have owned just about it all over the years, they ain't tried this very unique beast yet. Yes, I've got sinister motivations for doing this. Once they get a taste I think they'll be wanting more and more. :devil:
 
One thing that a few like Art and others say when you first turn on the Sovereign with no metal close to it a reading of 124 is what you want to see on a 180 meter and you can adjust it to read 124 until it see some metal or interference, so you want to do this with the sensitivity in auto or very low so it is very stable. I have tried it and it works good, but mostly I will use a clad quarter or dime. I set mine to where it will bounce between 179-180 on the dime and check it every time I use it in case it got bumped and if I ever see a 181 number or more I know it is out of calibration. My zinc pennies, my IH and the very early wheats plus a few around the early 1940 will read the 176-177 and not 180s, but dig them all anyway and if I have a real problem with the zincs I will only dig the deeper sounding signals.
Ron's meter is a great meter for the price and find it rarely need calibration while my Sun Ray DTI 2 seems to be more touchy and seems to be more sensitive to changes so when in the hot sun for a while it will change the numbers a little and I will reset it or just use it the way it is and know numbers will be 1 or 2 digits off. For me I like the Sun Ray DTI meter over any I have used and find the viewing angle is so nice and wish they were still being made.

Rick
 
Ron from Michigan said:
Jason,there's a port on the back of the meter.Just loosen the one screw and slide the cover open.Once the pot is exposed just a touch with a small screw driver to bring it back into calibration right turn will increase and let turn decrease.Example if the SEF coil is reading 178 for a US quarter,very small right turn should bring it to calibration or close.When I calibrate a meter usually takes a small touch or two to have a solid 180. Hope this helps.HH Ron

Ron,

Where did you steal that hat?

John
 
John,lol made at a Oxford shop their charge 10 dollars,got the cap at Meijer's for $7.00. How many members would be interest with a Find's Forum cap with their post name at the bottom.Example first line,Find's Treasure Forum US flag second line Minelab Sovereign Elite/GT and Excalibur Forum bottom your name xwyokid centered. HH Ron
 
Ron, great idea!

I'd like to see some shirts that say something like "Minelab Sovereign GT...A legend in her own time, AND AFTER IT..."

Or, under Minelab Sovereign GT..."It's not about bells and whistles, it's about results..."

Or..."Coins aren't impressed by flash and glitz. No amount of that is going to lure any of them out of the ground..."

:biggrin:

You know, I think I am going to get a hat made up with something like above on it, if not a T-shirt. Matter of fact, a friend now has the T-Shirt/hat printing equipment to design things on his computer and print out stuff with a special printer that he irons onto T-shirts. Going to give him a call here and see...
 
Ron from Michigan said:
John,lol made at a Oxford shop their charge 10 dollars,got the cap at Meijer's for $7.00. How many members would be interest with a Find's Forum cap with their post name at the bottom.Example first line,Find's Treasure Forum US flag second line Minelab Sovereign Elite/GT and Excalibur Forum bottom your name xwyokid centered. HH Ron

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Cleared the following with the higher ups to post and was told it was cool so long as no links and handled privately...

Hey Ron, a friend picked up some T-Shirt making gear a few months back for a hobby/side cash out of his house. He's a bit down on his luck right now so I figured I'd have him do me up a shirt. He had done a bunch of Saint Paddy Day shirts for a parade and "lost his shirt", so to speak on that, which didn't help his financial situation get any better. Felt bad for him. $14 a shot, with the shirt color in ash (heather) gray or white. Told me whatever I came up with picture wise to email him it and he'd make me up a shirt, so I'm getting this one I threw together done on a gray shirt...

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PS- Just so as to not step on any toes in terms of copyright laws, this shirt is for my own personal use, and the word "Sovereign" and "Excalibur" is used for other things as well I guess anyway, not specifically relating them to any product. If anybody wants something made up for yourself it's between you and him as to what you want him to put on it, of course. Whatever JPEG you draw up to email him.
 
Wasn't too happy about the "colorful" nature of that pic, since I prefer grey shirts and such. So I re-did it in grey scale and changed a bit of the wording while I'm at it...

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