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Question for Mr. Bill or Eric

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What would you expect the depth difference to be between the Goldquest SS and the Aquastar on say a size 7 or 8 thin 14K diamond engagement ring on a normal mineralized beach in the wet sand. Also what would be the maximum depth that the ring could be detected by an experienced user of either machine with the machines settings optimized for those conditions. Thanks in advance for your answers!!!!
HH
Beachcomber
 
Thanks for trying to answer the question. As specific as it was I thought you might have at least some idea as to the depth the machines would be capable of on sucha target. I checked jerry's Post but he doesn't mention the depth at which he found the ring. I have had 3 different brand and model PI's over the years and NONE would come even close to the depths that I get small gold rings on the beach with the Minelab Explorer. Now I will grant you that none were Eric's and none had pulse delays as low as today's pulse units and maybe the ones I had didn't even have the power of today's units. But with all the talk about how good the Aquastar and the Goldquest are I have been toying with the idea of trying a pulse unit again. most places I hunt it would be futile to use a pulse but I do have a few spots where they might prove prductive. But before I will spend that kind of money on a PI I need more difinitive answers about depth other than they go very deep. That was why I asked such a specific question and took as many of the variables out of the equation as possible. Anyway thanks for trying to answer my question!!!
HH
Beachcomber
 
Beachcomber, I mean no disrespect. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> They are some detectorest that would never be happy with anything other than a Explorer. I am a Minelab dealer, and I use a Explorer also. I know what it
 
How many deep holes have you dug in wet sand????? this depth issue seems to get crazy at times!!!!! The PI is going to pick up everything, you will be so tired in a short time you will probably give up!
 
Granted, digging deep holes in wet sand is not everyone's cup of tea. However, there are those that do, and get good finds to reward their efforts.
The fact that a detector like the Aquastar has the power to detect rings at 15in plus, does not mean that you have to run it flat out all the time. Both the TX power and the receiver amplification can be reduced if the person or the conditions do not warrant maximum performance. Point is, it is there if you need it and objects at less than the range limit, instead of giving iffy signals, give a good solid response.
Eric.
 
Two CZ7a Pros and have had a CS7, HH PI and a Surfmaster PI...and have had 15 to 20 others. I have quiet a few hours logged at many of the beaches of Florida, GA, SC, NC, TX, WA, OR...I can keep going...My wife and I live in our Motor Home and detect in lots of places,,,,I spend 6 months in Florida every winter...
The Whites PI, CS7 cannot touch the Goldquest SS for Depth and sens to gold, they are not in the ball park. The HH PI was sens. to gold and deeper but not as deep as the Goldquest SS nor as sens. to gold. I am getting 14+ inches on an air test with the Goldquest SS. With the new headhones I bought for it and just received I believe it is better than 14" but have not proved it yet to myself. Since my CZ20 is a 8" coil and my Excalibur is a 10" it is not apples to apples but I give the edge to the Minelab for depth by maybe an 1", 20 to 30 % better on ID of iron. But the Excalibur and the CZ20 cannot be compared or even should not be compared to the Goldquest SS for depth and sens. to gold, they do not have a chance. However on a junk filled beach and iron filled beach I will grab either of the two VLF's because at approaching 60 in age I am getting lazy. However on a beach that there are plenty of guys working the dry and wet sand and I am following behind them I will take a HH PI or the Goldquest SS behind them and dig many targets in an area of the sub-earth their detectors do not know is there. In more mineralized beaches on the the PI's will prevail...
I would not own a Goldquest SS for my only detector, it is not an all-around detector...a spoon used in soup is the desired tool and not a knife. I will go behind VLF all day and know I will be digging deeper targets and some bad one's but it only takes 1 gold ring for me to come home smiling...One very fine gold ring will make my week and month and maybe a year highlights.
I personally prefer the Goldquest SS over any PI I have bought, I have not seen, used a Aquastar but would love to have one. It is an additional tool.
PS...Bill did not discount me one penny on my purchase... I hope I am now making him feel bad because he didn't with this report...but then if he did I would owe him something...I don't, this is just the way I see it and am saying so...(smile)...
PPSS...If you are interested in a used Goldquest SS...I will be trading mine in to Bill when Mr. Foster waterproof's a Goldquest (That is a hint) If Mr. Foster includes internal sample testing with 2 or 3 tones I may buy one for my wife. (I am sneaky smart...hehehehehee)
Frank Hamill
 
the goldquesty ss is the detector that i use most of the time except for some really trashy beaches were i have a teroro eldorado that i use im not to much a hunter of vlf machines but i use one when applicable i use the eldorado on beaches that are full of iron nails firepits mostly on dry sand seeing how it doesnt work very good on the wet sand now ill use the goldquest ss on the wet sand and into the water up to my knees i chest mount it so as not to get it wet its not water proof like the aquastar il say and have not used a aqua star that it goes deeper with a 10US pulse same as the goldquest but it has more power now im 50 and there is a limit to what i dig to me the goldquest ss goes deep enough with the sesitivity that i want to dig the aquastar goes deeper with jest as much sesitivity to gold stuff but you can dig deeper also there arte a lot of times at the water that i give up on a hole because its jest to much and i walk away this is with the gold quest so i would say the aquastar is a young mans detector or like terry from hawaii says better start working out if you want to use a aquastar for me and what i dig and all the goldquest is the right tool for me it goes deep enough with the sesitivity needed to find those small gold rings and like mr. bill says the aquastar you can set it so it doesnt go to deep but if you chose to hunt deep its avalible and waterproof these are high power pi units not like the namebrands that are avalible they are sesitive to gold very sesitive you can check this out when you do air test on items i ususally get around 13 to 14 inches on a us. nickle where as the aquastar gets about 15 in ches on a us. nickle larry ca
 
Hi Eric! my response was aimed at thiss idea of maximum depth people seemed to always bring up and I woonder how many have actual done much digging! and not at PI's. My personal choice is one of your detectors(or designs) and use reverse discrimination to try and dig only gold objects and not all the junk. If a person wants god depth and target ID(discrimination) then I think you have to go to a CZ-20, CZ or Minelab Sov. I do swallow diving so use same machine for that. How about an underwater Goldquest????
 
Don
I am 53 years old and retired. Just because you have a deep target, does not mean that you have to be frantic about getting it out of the ground. Take your time digging and you will find that it is really no big deal.
I can see that this detector is not for one who is easily discouraged. Some times on deeper stuff you just have to hang in there and get it out. But, you do have another choice - move on to the next target if this one is getting too deep.
I don't want to bore anyone with my health history, but I have had heart bypass and more recently stents. I don't have a problem with the digging - and it pretty good exercise.
Happy hunting and enjoy yourself - that's most important thing.
Jerry
 
Hi Jerry, I think you misunderstood my posting, it is a response to Beachcombers first post about specific details on depth. Digging in wet sand that is collasping in the hole and filing with water, it doesn't make much difference if it a detector can do 10" or 12" or what ever, this wanting to know to the INCH how deep one is against anothre to me doesn't make much sense!!! it is hard work and all the good detectors go deep enough, you just have to get out there and put your time and back into it!!!!
 
In my opinion the only way to get deep gold targets with a PI is with Eric's designs
 
Bill... The new X5 looks like a real winner, and I think you'll be seeing a lot of Explorers on eBay over the coming months. You should get a dealership. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
 
with either of these machines. I never used a Goldquest, but I believe dollar for dollar, it probably is a better value if it suits your needs. The AS is a "monster" machine and is waterproof, but has a much higher price. It was my choice because I submerge it completely while hunting. After using the Explorer for close to two years and the AS for over a year, I can say with any doubt, "In a salt beach enviorement", it makes the Exp. tuck it's tail. Of course you have to dig lots of iron that you wouldn't with an Exp., but the gold targets gained heal muscle ache better than any drug known to man.
Last week a aquaintance from the beach and I ran into each other. I had just gotten a light signal and asked him to check it out with his Exp., which he did. He said he didn't get anything(he was using the factory defaults)at all. I took a full Chucks scoop staight down and pivited it out of the hole. I wish I could say the target was a gold ring, but it was a nickle. Was it on edge or at full depth of the scoop, "I don't know". I just know one machine saw it and one didn't. I wish there had been a GQ on the scene to see if it would have seen it, HH
 
You know I don't know if I worded my question wrong or if everyone just misunderstood it but all I was trying to find out was the difference in depth between the Goldquest and the Aquastar and what was thier approximate maximum depths under average conditions on a small gold ring. GEEEZ you guys really blew this all out of proportion. I wasn't trying to say anything bad about either machine although some of you must ahve thought I was as you seem to feel the need to defend them. I was just thinking about giving PI's a try again and was trying to get the information necessary to make a decision between what I consider to currently be the two best PI's on the market. It wasn't that hard of a question though for some reason everyone seems to think it is. This is the last I post anything about depth on this Forum!!!!!!!
HH
Beachcomber
 
I understand the X5 is being made by Fisher?????? does that tell you something!!!
 
Don... Fisher is only building the X5. It was designed by Troy and Dave J., with a lot of input from around the country. Looks like they did a good job from what I've been reading.
 
I did not take anything wrong about your question, I saw it as a specific question from a fellow who is interested in making a purchase and wants all his ducks in a roll before making an investment. Your questions were good questions and nowdays with the ecomony like it is a fellow does not like to waste his money and wants to make the best educated decision he can before spending his hard earned money...I hope I answered in a manner that helped you with filling in a few blanks on your test paper.
I don't believe there is anyone on this forum that would deliberately be abrasive with you, we are all learning here and in the process of becoming better everyday as we read this good information. I know you from a couple of other forum and you are a savy detector person and always have good posts to share.
Frank
 
Hi Frank,
Thanks! I have read and heard so much about both the Aquastar and the Goldquest SS and other than the fact the the Aquastar is waterproof and has a more powerful transmitter section I don't really see too much difference. They both have adjustable SAT that can be set quite slow and they both go down to a 10us pulse delay. But then I have also read and I think it may have even been Eric who posted it that the Goldquest is better in highly mineralized areas than the Aquastar...or do I have that backwards? They are both also supposed to be very good on small gold. Everyone who has an Aquastar says how great it is and so does everyone who has a Goldquest. So I thought the next question should be how much of a depth difference there was between them. I tried to word it specifically as I could to eliminate as many variables as possible but all I did was manage to stir up a hornets nest <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> I guess these things happen from time to time <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
Thanks again for the kind words Frank I always try to make good Posts and try not to cause trouble!!!
Hey if you ever get up near NJ email me and maybe we can do some Beach Hunting.
HH
Beachcomber
 
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