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Questions about the Safari

Bowie

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Never owned a Minelab. I wasnt real sure where to ask my questions as Im interested in the ETrac as well as Safari. I dont think I would like complicated detectors,but Ive never had one,so.
I think i would like something less complicated like my XL Pro, but Im not interested in the GT because of its slow response time. Safari really has caught my eye.
I know Andy has written reviews on the MXT and M6, but I respect anyones opinion that has ample time with these two machines. How does Minelabs new faster processor compare in response time to the mentioned machines?
I know coils arent an issue as there are many available for the full band spectrum machines.
Ive never held an ETrac but I have held an Explorer 2 and it felt heavier than my Pro. How is the Safaris weight in comparison to the Explorer?
How difficult is the learning curve on the Safari?
Oh,almost forgot and it was one of the main questions I wanted to ask. In all metal or (is it FE mode?) can you have multiple tones for ferous metal and does the display give info on target be it icons or numbers?
Thanks,
John
 
Forgive me, I asked about tones in the all metal mode. What I meant to ask was, are tones for non ferous available in an all metal mode? Is this what Andy and Tinman are refering to as Cross Saving?
Thanks again,
John
 
John,

Here's a few answers to your questions:

"I dont think I would like complicated detectors,but Ive never had one,so. I think i would like something less complicated like my XL Pro"

The Safari and Quattro are quite simple which was the main driving force behind the development of the Quatro and then not really altering the interface on the Safari - rather what was under the hood and invisible to one making adjustments. The XL Pro is not that complicated either but the Safari (Quattro) is the simplest FBS detector Minelab offers to operate.

"I know Andy has written reviews on the MXT and M6, but I respect anyones opinion that has ample time with these two machines. How does Minelabs new faster processor compare in response time to the mentioned machines?"

Not sure what you mean by this but yes, I have done field test reports on both of the Whites detectors you mention and my son still uses the M6 on most of his hunts. The MXT is still one I use for select applications including prospecting in Georgia. I have a good deal of time on both of these both on the using end as well as demo'ing them to others. How does the processor compare to the other models you referred to? Well, first of all, any FBS detector requires a slower sweep speed than the VLF units, including the M6 and MXT. There are a number of very successful competition hunters that use the MXT for that reason. So if you want to know if the Safari can be swept as fast as the M6 or MXT or if it resets as quickly coming off one target going to another, then teh answer would be no. There is more to how effective a detector is than how fast the processor is or how fast it can be swept. Detection depth, target ID at depth, and how it handles adverse ground are all factors that come into the buying decision process.

"I know coils arent an issue as there are many available for the full band spectrum machines."

Yes, there are a wide range of coils for both the FBS models as well as the Whites models from the manufacturer along with 3rd party vendors - both DD and concentric.

"I've never held an ETrac but I have held an Explorer 2 and it felt heavier than my Pro. How is the Safaris weight in comparison to the Explorer?"

Again, there is more to overall comfort in the field than just the weight. Ergonomics and hence balance play a big factor. Whites has always made an exceptionally well balanced detector that feels far lighter than it really is. The XL Pro is no example . . . my son loves the M6 for that very reason. The difference in weight between the Quattro, Safari, Explorer and E-Trac is minimal . . in the order of ounces. The E-Trac feels much lighter due to the redesigned hand grip angle. The new Pro coil has also helped due to the the center mounting point compared to the older coils. The Safari does NOT have the new angle but DOES have the new coil . . . . so it feels lighter than the Quattro or an Explorer other than the latest SE Pro which also has the new coil.

"How difficult is the learning curve on the Safari?"

The Safari is quite simple to learn but coming from other detectors, FBS units are a different beast to understand. I have seen newbies with no experience catch on faster than someone with years using a non-FBS detector. Once you learn what the deep signals sound like you will be hitting deep targets - deeper than you might otherwise believe - regularly.

"Oh,almost forgot and it was one of the main questions I wanted to ask. In all metal or (is it FE mode?) can you have multiple tones for ferrous metal and does the display give info on target be it icons or numbers?"

The preset mode has COINS or JEWELRY in Conductive audio while RELIC or ALL METAL is in Ferrous audio.
RELIC and ALL METAL do not have icons while the other two do. All four show the target ID number and the number is the same for the same target in all four modes. You can change the audio response and select icons on / off using the Cross Saving technique I detailed in my book.

Let me know if this answered your questions

Andy Sabisch
 
Thanks Andy and yes you did answer them except Im confused on the Cross Saving technique,I think. I think you are telling me I can change the audio response (if audio response is the response to coins/jewelry vs response to ferous) to be able to use the audio response for coin/jewelry while hunting in the all metal mode.
But something else just crept into my hard head. I thought I read somewhere that Minelabs with the FBS technology will hit on deeper targets just as well in a discriminate mode as well as all metal.
Maybe Ive become confused. I was wishing for the modifications for a XL Pro using tones and being able to use the tones in all metal. I know its a pipe dream for someone like me to be able to get that modification so I decided to look elsewhere and that is sort of how I ended up here.
My XL Pro in disc mode is a slow recoverer.
I wasnt looking for a fast sweep speed and even with the M6 or MXT, in heavy trash, you have to really slow down.
Thanks so much for your expertise and time as I know you are a busy man.
If I decide to get a Safari,Ill definetly buy your book when I order that machine.
Thanks,
John
 
Tha Safari manual shows setting the noise cancel while holding the machine 12 inches from the ground. This was not the case with the Quattro. Is this a new idea?
 
gasman said:
I am asking this question for a friend who has bought the new Safari.
Tha Safari manual shows setting the noise cancel while holding the machine 12 inches from the ground. This was not the case with the Quattro. Is this a new idea? if so why are they different.?
 
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