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:rant:RonNH..................ELECTROLYSIS

gold rat

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Ron, loved the coin but cleaning with electrolysis!!!!!!
Maybe you can help me.
Attempt #1 6amp transformer split lead to a positive and
negative clip. 2 litres water with salt added, negative clip holds
coin and positive holds anode ( steel bolt etc ) Tested bubbles
coming from coin. Coin was a normal target found stained on beach.
Thought 30 minutes would be fine, then another 30 minutes
+ 1 hour. Had very little success. Slightly cleaned.
Attempt #2 18amp 1.2v transformer set up as above.
Checked after 30 minutes and coin nearly clean but 2" gluggy
debris on top of water.
Then 2 coins later ( 30 mins ) again and 5" gluggy debris plus totally destroyed
positive clip.
Besides these hassles I have not cleaned a coin to look like the ones in magazines.
Hope you can put me on the right track or a forum member.
happy hunting
gold rat
 
Gold Rat, I haven't tried zapping anything yet. All of my silver up to this point has come out looking great. A buddy gave me the set-up, but I'll have to check his instructions again. I'm pretty sure he mentioned lemon juice besides the water and the metal needs to be stainless steel. I'm sure you can find something on line. I sure as heck don't want to destroy this coin. Ron
 
This might be useful for others wanting to clean coins although all would probably agree that any valuable coins should not be cleaned under almost any circumstances in order to maintain their value. Some suggest the use of lemon juice in the solution (*one or two drops). I'm a little concerned with applying electrical current to water in my home but am about to do the same to begin cleaning a bit of iron scrap from the 1800s which i found with my X-70 yesterday.
If your process is not working, it could be that you are using the wrong Polarity and thus are electroplating (adding to the metal) instead of removing the coating. Sounds like you are doing everything correctly though. Thought you might find this article of interest.

Australian Gold & Treasure Magazine
Issue : October 2007


Achieving Professional Results at Home
[size=small]by Cary Gray[/size]

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Summary:

COINS:
"Clear Glass Container of Approximately 1 Liter Capacity
Add 700ml of Warm Water with One Teaspoon of Table Salt thoroughly dissolved.

You will need a low voltage AC/DC power transformer, similar to that used on battery/electric radios and other household appliances (*usually has two prongs to connect to the wall socket)Author used a 15Volt DC appliance transformer but 9-,12-, or 18-volt transformers are suitable.

Cut the molded plug off the transformer and connect small electrical alligator clips in it's place. The clips are available from radio part suppliers like Tandy etc. Or you can improvise using what you can scrounge at home.

Paper clips are okay for holding coins, providing you can maintain a good electrical connection.
Fix both leads securely to the container, maintaining separation at all times. It is important to keep the opposing terminals seperated to prevent a short circuit that would destroy your transformer. Ton not be tempted to cross the terminals to create a spark and see if you have a current. It will only work once and then you will have to find a new transformer.

Using the correct polarity in this process is important otherwise you will be electroplating (depositing metal) instead of removing Debris and corrosion.
When the current is correctly connected, the correct polarity will be demonstrated by a continuous stream of tiny bubbles in the electrolyte solution from the item being cleaned.

If other terminals are producing bubbles, disconnect the power immediately and reverse the electrical connection, Tag or knot one cable for reference.

Within minutes of connecting the power, the build up of deposits including the mineralised surface discoloration, will begin to lift off the coin. The loosened deposits can be washed off or gently removed using the finest steel wool available, before short immersion in the electrolysis bath. On completion, rinse the coins under fresh water, lightly brush with an old toothbrush if necessary, then polish with a soft cloth.

For much larger items and machinery parts (for example), Author used a plastic drum filled with 50 liters of warm water plus one cup of dissolved salt.... and used a 8-amp 6 volt car battery charger. Over a 24 hour period, the liquid was changed twice and both anodes and item were cleaned of built up deposits.

Author claims that physical distance of separation of relic Vs opposing electrode is as important as the solution itself. Stronger concentrations of solution will use more current without necessarily speeding up the process. Check power source periodically for heat buildup. Failure to do so or allowing a short circuit may cause or present a fire hazard. The process is not harmed if power is periodically stopped in order to check progress.

Change fluids when and if excessively contaminated with debris. If brass or copper used for the Positive Anode, it may leave your relic discolored by the unexpected transfer of the Anode base metal to your item. Overcome this problem by increasing the distance between the relic and the anode, or by using an anode of a different metal which will lift the unwanted coloring.

* Electrolysis has the ability to remove significant quantities of parent metal, which may render your find worthless.
Previously electroplated items may also lose their coating after prolonged immersion. Aluminum and light alloys may become pitted and break down."



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Some links to other websites with similar techniques (Pictorial How-To)
http://gometaldetecting.com/electrolysis_cleaning.htm
http://www.mycoincollecting.com/collecting/cleaning-coins-electrolysis.html

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That has a shut off to prevent fires..I know there is a site to tells you how to build one but can't find it..uses radio shack parts...
I know salt has to be added to the water and stainless steel object to complete the setup. Worked quite well on saltwater silver but be careful and don't leave on too long as it can eat the coin and ruin it completely...
 
Thanks for the input and advice I will tread carefuly!!!!
gold rat
 
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This is the setup I used last night to clean a number of heavily rusted iron artifacts from between 1854 and 1875 - it's a 9Volt DC transformer @ 450ma which I found lying in the cupboard.
It sure works on some items but you need to take it slowly as it may take several sessions and solution (liquid) change-overs. I need to be careful since I'm working on carpet and a large puddle of rusty water would be a disaster to clean up afterwards. I add a tablespoon full of salt and two drops of lemon juice for my own mixture. I'm using a tall glass jar which gives me more distance control between the electrodes/anodes.
 
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