Hey everyone, I have a F2 and i am having a little trouble finding out what CW bullets, chest plates, buttons etc. show up as. Where I hunt is filled with CW relics, but also a lot of trash. So a 1/4 way through the hunt I'm not digging anything unless its a high # due to me not knowing what I am looking for. And should I have it all metal or notch, and notch what? Thanks for all your help in advance.
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Relic help
- Thread starter deano003
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autopilot42
Well-known member
My son uses an F2 when we relic hunt and it does OK. He uses the 4 inch coil because on of our sites is has a ton of trash. I use the F5 and the GBSE and always have the 5 inch coil on those too. The F2 doesnt have the tight TID that the F5 or the GB but is good enough. Here are some numbers for you
2 ringer 59-65
3 ringer 55-65
eagle button 51-65
flat coat button 64-67
hope this helps
Bob
2 ringer 59-65
3 ringer 55-65
eagle button 51-65
flat coat button 64-67
hope this helps
Bob
sgoss66
Well-known member
Slower, yes, with the 4" coil. You can't cover ground as quickly with a 4" coil. Your SWEEP speed doesn't necessarily have to be slower, but you have to "overlap" your sweeps much more than you would with the bigger coil, so your amount of ground covered will be less, per unit time, if that makes sense. In general, you will also lose some depth with the 4" coil, but ONE -- depth is not everything, and TWO, you won't ALWAYS lose depth. Let me try to explain... The 4" coil can "see between" the trash, due to its smaller "footprint," and thus give you multiple tones for multiple closely-adjacent targets, whereas a larger coil might give you just one tone, representing the "conglomerate" of targets under the coil. This is one benefit of a smaller coil -- you may not find the DEEPEST targets, but you CAN find targets others have missed, trying to go deeper with a larger coil. So, what some guys will do is run over a spot, and use a "deep" (larger) coil to find the deep stuff, and then come back over it with a small coil to find the stuff amongst the junk. Two different ways to recover more targets. Another tactic, if you feel there are definitely good targets in a patch of ground, is to DIG EVERYTHING -- get the junk "out of the way," so you can find the better stuff that was hiding amongst/underneath the junk. Especially with iron, you can get MAJOR masking problems -- meaning that if there is iron near, or on top of, a good target, the iron so "overwhelms" the machine that it can't "see" the good target underneath or adjacent to it. DD coils help with this, but depth in general is severely restrained by iron in the ground. If you can normally see an 8" quarter in your ground, with your machine, but you put some small pieces of iron above that quarter, your "effective" depth may only be a few inches (due to the iron effects). In other words, if the iron pieces are at 2", and the quarter at 8", your machine will often only see the iron (especially with a larger, concentric coil). If the quarter was at 4" under the 2" iron, the machine has a better chance of hinting at the quarter. Point being, in a "trashy" site, max depth is often not attainable ANYWAY, so you don't really "lose" much depth, and might actually GAIN "effective" depth, with the small coil (despite the fact that in a clean-ground situation, the larger coil would see "deeper.") Does that make sense?
Steve
Steve
Got to thinking...... Does the F4 or F5 have more separation between targets or does everyone have the same trouble with finding out whats trash or target? Sometimes I will have a strong signal and dig then it changes before I get to it, or it will bounce around and I will dig thinking its probably trash and its a good target.... Or is all of this a learning curve that I am still learning?
autopilot42
Well-known member
We both disc out iron and dig most stuff. Do not think you will have a depth problem with the small coil you won't. When you get deeper targets the F2 has a tendency to drop the value of the tid and go to iron and you will figure that out after some time.
We are going to the beach soon and I asked my son if he would use my f5 andI I would use the gb and he said he will stick with his f2. I think the most important thing is learning the machine you have for what ever your situation is.
Bob
We are going to the beach soon and I asked my son if he would use my f5 andI I would use the gb and he said he will stick with his f2. I think the most important thing is learning the machine you have for what ever your situation is.
Bob
sgoss66
Well-known member
Not sure what you meant deano, when you replied to autopilot's comment of...
...with your statement...
...but, what he means is, if you hit a good target, but it's deeper, often the machine will begin to ID what would otherwise show up as a "good" target, as iron. Many machines' abilities to properly ID a target deteriorates the deeper you get; it will SEE the target, but will improperly ID it as iron. What he means by "you will figure it out over time," is that as you begin to hit deeper targets which ID as iron, you will learn that some are in fact NOT iron, and that you will have to learn for yourself what detector clues prompt you to "dig," and which ones dont. If you disc out iron, though, you'd clearly lose some of those good, deep targets which ID'd as iron -- and this is one way using "disc" can limit your depth of detection.
Steve
...with your statement...
...but, what he means is, if you hit a good target, but it's deeper, often the machine will begin to ID what would otherwise show up as a "good" target, as iron. Many machines' abilities to properly ID a target deteriorates the deeper you get; it will SEE the target, but will improperly ID it as iron. What he means by "you will figure it out over time," is that as you begin to hit deeper targets which ID as iron, you will learn that some are in fact NOT iron, and that you will have to learn for yourself what detector clues prompt you to "dig," and which ones dont. If you disc out iron, though, you'd clearly lose some of those good, deep targets which ID'd as iron -- and this is one way using "disc" can limit your depth of detection.
Steve
sgoss66
Well-known member
That's a good point, deano. I once "gave up" detecting for awhile due to frustration and not understanding how to deal with the junk, etc. You have to stick with it long enough to truly learn a bit about what you are doing, and THEN decide if you enjoy the hobby. I think alot of people don't ever get to that point. They buy a nice detector with visions of gold and silver, hunt an hour or two and dig up useless junk, and then sell the machine and quit, saying "this hobby is not for me." Forums like this give opportunites for new users to "shorten/flatten the learning curve" and pick up some helpful tips early on that otherwise would take alot of time to learn.
Keep at it, and keep asking questions. Lots of good, experienced users here and lots of answers available if you just ask.
Steve
Keep at it, and keep asking questions. Lots of good, experienced users here and lots of answers available if you just ask.
Steve