My Se I've had now two weeks. At first, I was lost and then I went and got almost every coin I could possibly dig up from Indian heads all the way up to a Susan b Anthony. I taught my SE these coins with a medium cursor, taught it all the pull tabs, bottle caps with a small cursor. Even went to a coin dealer and talked him into letting me scan his gold Eagles collection, oh and a bunch of my wife's rings. I went out in my yard and within 20 feet of swinging bang I find a 1905 barber dime. My problem is I can't seem to keep my SE from blanking a great deal of the time and I know I'm not getting the depth that I should be getting. My 10 inch deep silver turns out to be the bottom of an aluminum can and every soft one way signal is generally a nail. In fact, none of my one way signals have ever turned up anything worthwhile, are you not supposed to dig those?? Has anyone else found anything worthwhile digging one way signals, they're impossible to pin point for sure. I guess I'm not using this machine correctly. The deepest coins I'm finding are only about four inches as those are the only clean signals I am getting. Its been kind of dry here lately. Is that why? And how do I cut back on the long blanking, I already have the detector on deep, is there something else I could try? I've also tried a sun ray stealth 8, Better separation of targets, but not really that huge an improvement. I found more stuff with the stock coil, but you can definitely tell a difference in weight. Thanks for any help it is much appreciated.
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SE recovery from blanking?
- Thread starter digitrich
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Hi digitrich, it sounds like you have a bit of hot ground (ironstone) unless it's full of old nails, can etc, I struck a patch of this type of ground last year with the EX II and found it almost impossible to hunt, I ended up running the EX II in auto sensitivity and while this helped I was only getting signal from about four inches, I really don't know what the answer is. You said you programed the EX with the medium cursor, personally I use the large cursor to give the detector a little leeway due to the different signal you get back from coins etc that have a little or a lot of corrosion on them, I have noticed that corroded coins give a different signal than nice shiny coins.
You might like to have a look at my reply about four post down re: "Explorer Programs"
Regards Boony
You might like to have a look at my reply about four post down re: "Explorer Programs"
Regards Boony
Chris(SoCenWI)
Well-known member
Digitrich,
I think you already figured out what you are doing wrong. If you teach in different coins and discriminate out everything else you are generally only going to get shallow hits. And you will be in an almost constant null(blanking).
The basic problem is that as coins get deeper, are in mineralized soil, or next to other targets- and in normal hunting conditions this is 98% of the time, they will not hit in the "taught in" areas. And conversely, the "junk" you taught in will also bahave in the same way; it won't hit in the areas you have disc'ed out.
Discrimination does not cause depth loss in and of itself with the Explorer, but the fact that only shallow coins or coins in very clean ground will hit in the expected area makes it seem this way.
The explorer manual went into quite a bit of detail about learning targets and editing screens; it is really a disservice to everyone learning the machine. Everyone I know who consitently makes good finds gave up on this long ago. I tried it when I first got my explorer and for the first week kept wondering why the signals kept coming and going.
The basic consensus is less discrimination is best. How little depends on your personal tolerence for sorting out lots of sounds in your head. The multitone audio is what gives you clues to what is in the ground: The problem with discrimination is that now all you get is a null sound, which gives you no information.
One way signals.... Do this: Find a clean patch of ground and put silver coin under a rusty nail. Start swinging your detector as you circle the coin/nail. Pretty amazing, huh? When you consider that at most home sites there will almost never be a moment when you don't have a chunk of iron under the coil it is amazing we find anything at all. The biggest challenge with learning this detector is to figure out iron/coin signals from just iron falsing. This is especially important because at most sites the only coins left to find are the ones that have been masked by adjacent targets for the past few decades. The explorer excels at sniffing these targets out; learning the language takes time, and if you have most of the screen disc'ed out you won't be able to hear what it is trying to tell you.
Chris
I think you already figured out what you are doing wrong. If you teach in different coins and discriminate out everything else you are generally only going to get shallow hits. And you will be in an almost constant null(blanking).
The basic problem is that as coins get deeper, are in mineralized soil, or next to other targets- and in normal hunting conditions this is 98% of the time, they will not hit in the "taught in" areas. And conversely, the "junk" you taught in will also bahave in the same way; it won't hit in the areas you have disc'ed out.
Discrimination does not cause depth loss in and of itself with the Explorer, but the fact that only shallow coins or coins in very clean ground will hit in the expected area makes it seem this way.
The explorer manual went into quite a bit of detail about learning targets and editing screens; it is really a disservice to everyone learning the machine. Everyone I know who consitently makes good finds gave up on this long ago. I tried it when I first got my explorer and for the first week kept wondering why the signals kept coming and going.
The basic consensus is less discrimination is best. How little depends on your personal tolerence for sorting out lots of sounds in your head. The multitone audio is what gives you clues to what is in the ground: The problem with discrimination is that now all you get is a null sound, which gives you no information.
One way signals.... Do this: Find a clean patch of ground and put silver coin under a rusty nail. Start swinging your detector as you circle the coin/nail. Pretty amazing, huh? When you consider that at most home sites there will almost never be a moment when you don't have a chunk of iron under the coil it is amazing we find anything at all. The biggest challenge with learning this detector is to figure out iron/coin signals from just iron falsing. This is especially important because at most sites the only coins left to find are the ones that have been masked by adjacent targets for the past few decades. The explorer excels at sniffing these targets out; learning the language takes time, and if you have most of the screen disc'ed out you won't be able to hear what it is trying to tell you.
Chris
Digitrich,Boony and Chris I have experienced this "iron nulling" at the old country site I get to...
I found that with the standard Explorer coil that I was just seeing too many targets including iron,which caused my machine to blank out repeatedly.
I got me an 8 inch Minelab coil; and started to "see" between the iron,finding more goodies.
Kind of like comparing a floodlight to a spot light...
I've now got myself a Sunray X-5 coil...
I'll be using this when I hit the old country property again next week.
HH
Snowy
I found that with the standard Explorer coil that I was just seeing too many targets including iron,which caused my machine to blank out repeatedly.
I got me an 8 inch Minelab coil; and started to "see" between the iron,finding more goodies.
Kind of like comparing a floodlight to a spot light...
I've now got myself a Sunray X-5 coil...
I'll be using this when I hit the old country property again next week.
HH
Snowy
One of the things i would add is try to run with the screen as open as you can and run ferrous tones to help in area with a lot of iron, may get a lot of signal, but iron will be low pitched while silver will be high pitched and not much nulling. Rusty bottle caps will be high pitched too, but you will notice the conductivity number are low or the cross hairs are too, so you can move on to the next target.
Thanks Chris as I am sure you helped many people new with the Explorers understand why we don't use the learn mode that much if we want the deep coins that others have missed.
Rick
Thanks Chris as I am sure you helped many people new with the Explorers understand why we don't use the learn mode that much if we want the deep coins that others have missed.
Rick
Mike Bearden
Member
I would only use the programming when looking for one particular target,example> your Wife/girl friend losses one of her earrings. You start with a black screen, learn the other earring to the Explorer and usually that will be the only thing that sounds off when and if the coil goes over it.
I use the learn screen for notching trouble targets out if and when I ever do decide to hunt with anything other than a wide open screen -16.
About those one way hits that seem to disappear and hard to pinpoint, when that happens you can pretty much depend on it being iron or trash. Good targets stay put when you pinpoint them, plain and simple.
Good advise has already been given by the other guys, just thought I'd add my 2 cents worth.
H.H.
Mike
I use the learn screen for notching trouble targets out if and when I ever do decide to hunt with anything other than a wide open screen -16.
About those one way hits that seem to disappear and hard to pinpoint, when that happens you can pretty much depend on it being iron or trash. Good targets stay put when you pinpoint them, plain and simple.
Good advise has already been given by the other guys, just thought I'd add my 2 cents worth.
H.H.
Mike
Chris(SoCenWI)
Well-known member
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I also turned the coins on edge to cover that situation as well, those numbers change when a coin is on edge, I also noticed when you throw iron trash in the mix at the same time the cond number stays about 27-29 on silver but the ferrous goes from 00 to 01 02 03 04, so a nail and a silver quarter come in at 03-28 instead of 00-28. Maybe a note of warning for the people using disc screen instead of the numbers. This is on my SE by the way.
Discrimination will kill depth..Only two I know of that won't are a CZ and a Wilson...Run it wide open, its noisy but audio should tell you the good from the bad..As far as Conduct or Ferrous your call...
Good target that are tipped, next to trash, extremely deep may only give you a one way signal so those that investigate especially if its slow get the ones others miss....
Good target that are tipped, next to trash, extremely deep may only give you a one way signal so those that investigate especially if its slow get the ones others miss....
KING OF ACE
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Maybe i am unlucky but i have dug hundreds of 1 way spitty signals all have been iron or other bits of rubbish.
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