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Ok, no bar, but I have been helping out a friend that lives in AZ on another forum that picked up an F70 late last month.
He is Ron...AZWIP on the forums, and a real nice guy.
He is a Tesoro guy through and through like me, more than me, actually, and real good with them too, but he bought an F2 awhile back just as a change and to fool around with and I gave him some tips and advice to help him out so now he asked me about this one.
Where he lives for some reason he has some major EMI going on, the F2 was never calm and this one was giving him a hard time too but with the huge amount of settings on the F70 I knew we could tame it if he listened to some advice.
Here is some of our correspondence over the last couple weeks that I put together here because due to the cold I am not getting out much or for very long when I do so I am totally bored.
Using what I learned this year I am attempting to shortcut him through and along that learning curve a bit faster than usual and I thought maybe some of you might enjoy seeing his progression over the last few weeks.
If you can't get out and hunt reading about someone's eyes slowly opening to new possibilities and having fun can be entertaining and the next best thing.
Think about this as a short little story with a happy ending.
That ending was something he found yesterday that was a first and a bucket list find so I think we have a new convert on our hands.
I was in sales for almost 30 years, got some mad skills in sales and communication and I can sell almost anything to anybody including ideas and new ways of thinking when I really believe in something and I sure do believe in Fisher products.
I am trying to get him to sign up over here and join the F70 party...I have already warned him about mudpuppy so he is prepared to deal with his nonsense.
For those of you that aren't as bored as me and just want to get to the good stuff just skip down to the end and there is a pretty picture down there for you to look at.
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"Originally Posted by AZWIP
I just picked up an F70! Figured I'd give another TID a shot.
Man, I know you are the guru of the F70... any advice to get that thing to run somewhat quieter??? Mine beeps and blats all over the place, lol. Of course I only have a few hours under my belt with it, but it sure is nothing like the Tesoros I have used, lol.
Is it the settings? The machine is pretty much brand new, bought off my buddy... he used it three times when he and I went out hunting. Long story short, he's not into hunting and I made him an offer.
Ok, sooooo, when I GB, it reads around 87. I then have the following settings:
Threshold = -3 (just set to -5 to try and get it to run quieter)
Disc - either 15 or 10
Speed = DE
Sensitivity - been playing around with around 60-80
Tones - Now, this is the interesting part... have played around with a number of these, I dunno... some are more noisy than others...Lots of folks liked the DP... but, I dunno... seems weird to me, lol.
Was using 2F and the 3 setting for Tones...
Bottom line, so many choices. Lol
But, seems whatever I try, its a noisy machine, nothing like the Tesoros... when the Tesoro beeped, there is a target, period. I have been playing with the F70... and often, can't find squat... lol, and of course I have a TRX and various pin pointers, and they remain quiet too.
It seems like the Vaquero is a deeper machine? And is very "sharp" when it finds an object... or perhaps I am just so used to the Tesoros and need to get adjusted to the F70?
Thoughts amigo?"
At that point I sent him a very long PM on settings, urging him to turn the sense way down, all kinds of tips and any other advice that I could think of and learned throughout this year swinging mine
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
WOW!!! Tons of great info Dave, man, I really appreciate your taking the time to write it all up, fantastic! Will follow your advice etc, and see how things go... you are the wizard, lol.
Yeah, I know my Tesoros like the back of my hand, lol, this F70 is a different animal, but I refuse to give up until I have given it enough time etc. And now with your info, I'm armed and will be trying the suggestions for sure.
Its tough when you have had such luck with another machine etc, to gain the confidence in a new one. I have found a decent amount of gold etc with the Tesoros... hoping for the same with this F70... and in my mind, that Vaq is a tough one to beat, lol. Although I have probably found most with the B2 and the CSC, king of top 6 inches lol.
Love the hobby though and am just as interested in it now as I was back 3.5 years or so ago.... time flies. Still recall my first gold ring like it was yesterday, lol. Now, I think at last count was around 48 gold rings... pretty much in the past 3 years as the first few months was all about experimenting etc... fun hobby!
And again, appreciate your info and input, man, you have mastered that F70!!!! Way to go!!!
Sooooo, will keep you posted as well as to how I make out with my new friend, if I get half as good as you with it... I'll be pretty happy, you have really scored some great treasures!!!! Love reading your write ups amigo, can tell you are into this hobby!
Thanks again Dave!
Ron
Well thanks!
Mastered the F70...I am not even close as far as I am concerned.
You can never master any detector I believe, there is always more to learn.
Almost every time out it surprises me and I learn something new.
I did get pretty good with it in only 10 months, but lots of the credit goes to my experience with the F2 and I just built on that.
Studying and using tips and suggestions from others all over the net shortened the learning curve a lot, also.
Turning down the sense and some of the other tips will get that thing quiet, the finds you will make hopefully will surprise you.
Switching back and forth between Fishers and Tesoros seems normal now, but overall I prefer the F70 because of what I have found in my short time with it and the possibility of what I can find in the future.
The potential is unlimited, I really believe that, and like the F2 it is fun to use especially when you get to understand it a little more.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Omg! The lights are --> slowly coming on!
Of course, using much of your advice etc... had a decent hunting tonight, nice quarter size katchina pendant, 925. Two other bling pieces... etc... this thing is "DEEP"! Real deep! I have not worked that hard in ages, lol!!!!
More later, I have relatives coming in.. talk to you soon!
Ron
Uh huh...told ya.
I never got it for this season but after doing so much deeper digging I must get a Predator hand digger next year.
The Lesche works, a scoop will get me down there even faster and more efficiently.
There is a whole other world down there, and that world holds some great targets that might even be only 1-2" deeper than what you have been currently used to.
Not to mention the 3-4-5 and 6" even deeper areas than your normal depth you can now easily reach.
Even hunting with my Vaq I didn't dig as many targets as deep as I do now, and that thing can get me down there, too.
As a matter of fact, I have said for a long time that using Tesoros and learning how to hunt by sound can only make you a much better and skilled hunter when you move to units with screens.
This year I learned the opposite is also true.
Using what I learned hunting that heavy iron site with the F70 where most good targets are all at about 6-7" deep and all masked to the nth degree, I used a little of that knowledge and went back with the Vaq one time and found another very early wheatie.
I hunted this site many times before with the Vaq with 2 different coils and never found much, now I know how to hunt deeper in heavy iron thanks to the F70.
All learning is good and useful if you are smart enough to apply it correctly no matter what you choose to swing that day.
One thing about really deep targets and they are out there, believe me.
I regular acquire and dig targets at the 6-7" level nowadays, and even deeper than that sometimes.
The standard 10" elliptical can get to the 10-12" mark in my good sol easily in disc, the sniper too, and that big DD will blow your mind.
Using that coil I can accurately ID depth and targets at the 10" plus area...even up to the 11-12 and 13" mark and more.
Many times I have hit that pinpoint button and have seen depth numbers of 12-15" on the screen but never dug them because I was in public parks, had frozen ground or was just to lazy to dig that deep.
A few times, and you might not believe this, I hit that PP button and saw numbers on the screen of 16-17 and even 18" show up.
I have full confidence there were actual targets down there that deep, too, maybe one day at the right site I will dig them.
I have dug one target super deep at a measured 15".
Nothing great, but I got audio and screen info plus an accurate depth reading on that one and I went for it.
Gotta go to work now, when I get back later this morning I will tell you about really deep stuff, what to look and listen for and how it works on the F70 and why the lessons you learned using Tesoros will come in very handy.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Thanks Dave, looking forward to it. Yeah, crazy deep... I did not chase a number of targets, because even with the PP and a 3 inch plug, still the ProPointer said nothing... so, mush have been deeper... lol... I did not use the Pin Point feature much last night as I can't see it, hunting in the dark, lol. So, am still in the guess mode when trying to figure out how deep the item is, I did use the Pin Point to help size and object up... interesting machine to say the least... I "think" I'm gonna like it... which is unusual for me to say, lol, as I really really like my Tesoros... (-;
But, this park, for being hunted out, lol, came alive last night... I was pleasantly surprised!!! Fun machine... but yeah... I may be getting a deeper digger at some point... with the Lesche... it was work, to hit those deeper items last night... I am used to just digging the Lesche in... and then a "pop" up the plug, and twist left or right... usually gets me a nice 5 or so inch clean and small plug, still hinged... but last night... uh, had to work for it, lol. Liking it so far!
Looking forward to hunting over the holidays... and will still be giving you a call, during the time off as well... Talk to you soon I hope.
Ron
This is the tool I am aiming for.
Going to clean some clad an buy myself a Christmas present.
This thing should be supplied with every F70/F75 or T2 in the box with the detector.
http://www.predatortools.com/item_details.asp?ID=2
Try something next time out.
Lower the sense a little more, maybe in the 50-60 or even a bit lower range and turn the thresh up to -2.
I rarely go lower than -2 at any of my sites, but your EMI stuff could be different.
The sense and the thresh are both sensitivity adjustments, sort of, hit on the right combination for your sites and your soil and and buy a miners helmet with a light and start learning Chinese because you would not believe the depth you can get.
Full blown out or really high settings might not get you the deepest all the time, either.
There is a possibility of setting this thing too hot and you can actually loose depth over lower settings.
All this is hard to wrap your head around when you have only used other brands.
Turn up the power and get deeper seems logical and the way it works on many detectors, not exactly so with these top end Fishers 100% of the time.
If quiet is what you want, and great depth and ID at depth is what you expect, get out of the "more power is deeper" way of thinking when you pull this thing out and swing it.
Not easy to do, but necessary to fully understand what it is capable of.
I only got confident in the F70 depth capabilities when I hit targets at the 5-6" and more depth with really low sense and negative thresh before I fully embraced this concept.
Again, as you search the forums for info you might come across many that tried the F70 or F75 and could never tame them and quiet them down and they knock them all over every chance they get forever more after they dumped them before the new detector smell even faded.
These types never "got" Fishers, always turned them up too high and like I said before, we who did take the time to understand them just laugh and laugh.
Did you see this thread?
This is with a new F75 and that has a few modes we don't have, but this air test was in boost process which is similar to our SL.
He hit a dime at 5-6" with the same coil we use, (and remember the core engine that drives both detectors are the same), and his sense was at 0.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?37,2124666
Basically, if we put these things into a coma they will still find and ID targets deeper and better than most others on the market.
As you get more experience using it and especially after hitting some deep signals at sense settings way lower than your 65 you will start to wrap your head around all this stuff.
Just try to remember this F70 just ain't like normal detectors...that helps.
Regarding the thresh, when I hunted early on at my normal park settings I found that in 4H when I got above -2 on the thresh it started to skew the tones a bit more than I like.
Still solid and clear, but like you I am an audio guy first and I just liked the solid sound I got at negative thresh more than 0 or higher.
Not that big of a deal in other tone modes like 1-1F or 2F or all metal, but 4H was my standard scoop up the jewelry and coins at parks setting at first.
I have been hunting in 1 or 1F for the last few weeks, really stable and quieter than most other modes I found and I really like it.
In this mode I can easily turn up the sense to between 80 and 90, sometimes higher, and also get the thresh up to the positive numbers from time to time and stay relatively quiet.
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy Dave, Happy Thanksgiving!
Did some more hunting today... yup, that's a deep machine, lol... had my settings around:
Thresh : -3, -4
Sens : 65
Tones: Spent time in 1, and 2F
Notch: 1 (lesson learned, lol)
Disc : Tried the 4 and 3 this time around
DE Mode
Awesome machine, lots to learn still... still don't have great "feel" yet, for great signals and sizing and depth - yet... I mean, my Tesoros, I know, I have to fair, I know them like the back of my hand, lol... pretty much can even tell a pulltab from coin or ring... signal size and "length" tell me a lot... but, I have been hunting with them for quite some time. What I know right now is... this F70 is DEEP!!! and Sensitive... even with those settings, I took out a silver earring backing, tiny thing, at around 5... it hit pretty well. But like I said, I need tons more time, I know that... also with that F75 11" DD Coil, using pinpoint feature, the items tend to be about an inch back from the tip... but if NOT using pinpoint, they seem to be right at the tip. Nice machine, for sure. Can't wait until more light bulbs light up, lol.
Confidence is building, will be better once I can score my first gold, lol... you know how that works, lol. 16 gold rings so far this year (I think, not sure, kind of have not counted in a while, lol) with the Tesoros, plus two nice gold crosses, a solid unbroken gold ID bracelet, etc etc... been a fun year! Tons of work though, ... am hoping same or better with the F70, lol... I know, luck, location and a lot of digging! Its all good. Even if I don't score gold for a while... too many good hunts, lol.
But, yeah, the power of this thing, pretty impressive and I'm still tip of the ice berg in terms of knowing this machine. Thankfully, winter hunting is the best here in AZ... hopefully get lots of practice and the advice from you and some others, is fantastic!
So, with that in mind, I know confidence plays a big role in my opinion... and even though my confidence is very high with the Tesoros... I know I have been using them a lot in the past 3 years... I know that gradually the confidence with the F70 will also continue and grow.
Thanks for all your help!
Ron
Happy holiday, hope you didn't stuff yourself...that is for the turkey.
Starting out, I had no clue about the sounds I was hearing or seizing or any of that,
With each new tone mode and also major changes in the other settings I had to practice for a few hours to get comfortable and confident.
The back of your hand knowledge all slowly came to me with a little of that practice.
Yes, the wiggle pull back pinpointing method puts the target a little further back behind the
coil rim than the Tesoros, but slowly I got used to doing it another way, too.
Look at the coil, just past the area where the lower rod attaches is a small faint circle.
Using the pinpoint button the lowest numbers and loudest tone will put the target directly under that circle.
You cannot believe how small some of the targets were that I found with mine, or how deep.
EXTRA sensitive is the term.
You will get more solid signals on the deeper ones in SL, also the higher you turn up the thresh the signals come in better.
65 on the sense and -3 or -4 on the thresh are what you seem comfortable with.
Try 50 or 45 or 40 on the sense and raise the thresh up to -2...higher if you can and see what happens.
You might just stay quiet and actually get even deeper and or clearer signals than you do now...maybe.
I can't wrap my head around going past -3 on the thresh, I rarely ever go past -2 on the thresh but that is me.
You are just starting and the things this thing can do are unbelievable.
It will take you time to get the same feeling and confidence level as when using your Tesoros...but not 3 years, la matter of a few more hours.
You'll see.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy again... Ok... So I should try threshold at around 2....or negative 2?
As high as possible and still be quiet.
I sometimes get into higher than 0 into the positive numbers when I am hunting in disc but not on 4H because it makes targets sound weird to me.
1, 1F 2F should all work fine with a higher thresh over -2.
-3 is the factory setting, -2 is the least I usually go, higher might make it noisier but lower the sense a bit if it gets to noisy at -2 or above,
Major depth has to do with both the sense and the thresh, just try a few things and see what happens.
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Ron...
Still messing around and fine tuning...
...but getting closer to favorite settings on every hunt.
I have spent a year messing around with all kinds of combinations of tones and settings, mostly because I knew you were going to get one and I wanted you to take advantage of all my time spent experimenting and use some of my settings and just hunt and find the good stuff right away.
If you believe that I got a few bridges you need to look at...but if all my time spent figuring this thing out helps you too I will be happy.
The more I experience and learn the more I move closer to settings I will use next year...which I expect will be a great one.
Today's hunt at a super trashed out entrance at a 100 year old park.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?37,...79#msg-2125979
Originally Posted by AZWIP
Lol! Yeah, I knew you were doing it all just for me. Lol, that's why I waited patiently. Lol!!
Nice finds Dave! I think in a little over 3 years.... I have only found 2 silver Dimes. Lol! Az is tough!
So... Experimented around some with the settings as per your previous message.. This thing is definitely tunable Lol!
Runs very different depending on settings Unreal.
Seems to be much better with 2F or 1...That's for sure.
Ended up back at 65, Disc at 3, threshold seems to like negative2 ior negative 3...Runs much smoother.... Played with sensitivity around 50 and up... Pretty darn sensitive!
. Ron
Do the math, only about a million different possible settings.
Go to Findmall and read about all the totally different settings each hunter settled in with using.
Many the same but many totally different and all successful using their own signature settings.
mudpuppy is the expert at DP on lower power and he has this bopping and hopping the coil method for pinpointing that finds him an unbelievable amount of clad coins and lots of jewelry fast.
IBdiggin uses the standard elliptical coil and has gotten great at using it.
Others usually use all metal blown out disc settings looking for relics and silver coins, some use really low sense and thresh all the time and still get remarkably deep.
Me...I try it all but I am slowly getting near some favorites that I will probably settle in with depending on site conditions and what I am going after.
This F70 is a chameleon...it can be several completely different detectors in one, can be set to hunt any site from salt water to trash to iron and even nugget hunting and be wildly successful, and each hunter eventually finds his way to his own perfect and confident settings with enough time and experience.
I have never experienced anything like this with any other detectors or coil combinations, and when I say I am amazed by the things I see it do on almost every hunt I am not kidding.
You are just at the beginning of your journey...the best is yet to come.
Dave
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Then a couple of PM's sent regarding using a little higher disc up to 23 instead of 4 in the woods and at a trashy park with a few pics of my finds.
Also...
One more thing.
Regarding the subject of using disc.
It is well known that on several brands the more disc you use the less depth you get.
It might only be a little, but there is usually some depth loss.
I know that this is true on my Tesoros, I usually use both and especially my Compadre on all metal or way down at iron or at or below the I in iron to get the clearest deepest signals and then thumb the disc knob to figure them out after for this reason.
I have gotten some faint iffy signals on both units with the disc high and turning it down to low but not all metal they came in much more solid and clear and louder so that proved it to me.
When it comes to the F70 all evidence from the many posts and reviews I have read seems to point to the fact that this is not true on this unit or the F75 at all.
No, No Nannette...just another life altering fact you must learn to wrap your head around due to switching over to a new-to-you brand of detector.
If you can hit a coin at 10" with the disc set low, by turning the disc up even all the way to 65 you should not hear, see or experience any difference in signal sound or screen behavior at all.
Again, not easy to believe this due to your Tesoro experience but I believe it is true never the less.
I only had a few deep signals that I tested this on and it did seem to be true.
Let yourself go, Ron, become one with the all and embrace the Fisher lifestyle and all the wondrous things it can do.
Your life will be enriched as well as your treasure collection if you do.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy Dave, some awesome finds again!! You are rockin this F70!!!
And, as always, great advice... yup, went back out again last night... to my "hunted" out park... came home with some neat finds as they were all really small "pins" if you will of the religious nature... kind of cool, and small, the F70 hit nice and hard on each of them!
This is one sensitive little machine!!!! I am learning, lol, "starting" to be able to distinguish a bit more between the trash hits and the good ones, will take time though. Using the F2 and 1 all night last night, I like em both, not sure which I'd prefer... the 2F is kind of fun as you do get that Zip sound for shallow hits... kind of neat... of course did not use the ID as it was night hunting... but always seemed that the decent well defined hits were the ones that were good targets... versus the hits that were not repeatable etc... which ended up being foil or some form of iron... the signals are "starting" to talk to me a bit more... love it when that starts to happen... I was at the point with the tesoros where I could tell foil from decent targets because they were always a bit less defined, or softer/scratchier, lol tough to describe I guess... but it seems I always knew when it was a round object that was ring size... pretty much the ol... its either coin, tab or ring... had that down to a science, lol... this one is starting to talk now... as I am guessing a bit more accurately now based on the hit... and the sizing is starting to happen as well... especially id I use the pinpoint feature...
Thanks again for the all the help, you have been a great help Dave - I appreciate it!
Ron
I believe that in a short while that same feeling you get about targets will start to happen on the F70 too.
mudpuppy over on findmall uses DP tones almost exclusively and he says he can ID targets in the ground before he digs...like Tabdog can do with a Compadre.
He boasts that sometimes he can even read the date off of coins before he digs...but most of us think he needs his meds adjusted more often than he thinks.
He is a riot, and others over there are more than helpful and skilled.
I loved hunting with the F70 from the moment I first turned it on and swung over dirt, but I had no clue on what was really happening at the time.
I am at my one year anniversary with it now, maybe about 10 months total hunting time, (we have winter here, ya know), and I am light years ahead of that first day...and still joyfully learning on every hunt.
As great as the Tesoros are, as much as I enjoy using them, this one gives me even more joy and the extra information is not just helpful it is astounding.
Take your time learning, this is a hobby not a job, but if you are like me you will probably learn to love this thing as much as I do and don't be surprised if you realize this fact sooner rather than later.
A couple of gold or silver finds will help move along this process so go out and find some already!
Dave
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy Dave... We finally caught some rain here and was perfect night... Man.... Dunno if it's because of the rain... But I was digging some deep stuff tonight! My hunted out park came back to life!
Am getting it a bit more... Keeping it 2F.. I like that so far... Still negative 3 on threshold... Disc at 4..sensitivity.... Up to 70 now... Runs pretty solid with those... Notch 1....DE
Man.... Enjoying this so far... The little stuff that hit fairly hard amazed me.... This bad boy don't miss much. The coin, ring tabs are starting to be picked up by me... No gold yet lol... But it's ok.. After all these are my hunted out parks.
But yeah pretty impressed so far. Fun night... Coins and some bling.
Hope you are well.
. Ron
EVERY site I hit this year was like a new site, and except for one new basketball court these are all sites I have scoured in the past with my F2 and 2 coils, the Compadre and even my Vaq and a couple of coils including the big DD.
One park is large but has bit hit by untold numbers of hunters for 40 years or more...and I still found Indian heads, silver coins and silver and gold rings there and most of it in areas with 100 years of trash built up.
This was a park I asked about when I moved here on our club's local website and was told there was probably nothing left here but modern clad and jewelry.
I love when people tell me that.
Even though most of the targets I found were not really all that deep, 6" or less, the F70 just lives at a deeper level than all the other detectors I have used except the Vaq...but the Fisher just could see and tell me more about targets at all depths then the Vaq, and see them clearer or it seemed that way, anyway.
All targets at all levels including the few deep ones past 6" were just locked onto better than all my others.
At the severe iron site where I pulled out so much this year using the knowledge I learned with the F70 I went back with the Vaq and found more which is something I couldn't do in the past...but it was still way easier with the Fisher and this was a site that frustrated many others including several with decades of experience using top end Whites and Minelabs.
The small size of the targets this thing will lock onto with a solid loud tone and stable numbers is amazing and will give my Compadre a run for its money, and the really deep ones at 8" or more is an experience I rarely had using anything in the past.
I had very little time to hunt compared to other seasons so I stuck close to home mostly and just hit the same old parks this year, spent a ton of time in the woods too just spinning my wheels mostly, also, and still found 9 silver coins even though I wasn't really looking for these, more Indians than any other season and a great amount of silver jewelry an even 5 gold targets.
Remember for almost 2 months I was shut down at the beginning of the year from mid Jan. to mid March and I messed around with the settings and did way less digging than usual learning this thing from last Dec. When I got it till July.
When I finally settled down and started hunting with a few favorite settings the finds popped out of the ground at a place that astounded me.
I still can't believe I found as much as I did this year and the quality of some of the things I found not to mention the severe conditions and trash that I found some of them in.
I told you this thing was jaw droppingly amazing...you are just starting to get a hint of that.
Just wait, it gets way better as you learn.
Dave
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
You are absolutely correct, cracks me up... the tiny size of the item and the "hit" for same... unreal! I have found more tiny items I had left behind, just amazes me. Yeah, this machine is sensitive, AND, its only at around 70%!!! AND, I'm still a rookie with it! Getting better thanks to you!
Yeah, am looking forward to a few daylight hunts over the weekend, now that we are looking at the mid to upper 70's during the day... Sun still warm as all get out, but its ok... better than 115 and sunshine! Ugh. Lol. Enjoy nights the most, but daytime is fun as well.
Where is it you live Dave? Hope your weather is great and you can get out there amigo.
May try a hunt or two now with the tones at 1 instead of 2F, ought to be fun. Lol
Ron
I live in Olathe Kansas, top right NE corner of the state 6 miles from the Missouri border.
Weird living near the dividing line of 2 different states, but there are advantages like pricing on some different products and services due to different tax rates and laws.
Right now it is 41, overcast, raining and totally miserable, so where exactly would you like to bite me?
I started out with 4H tones and used that for many hours because it was similar to my F2 and found a lot.
As I have said before, whoever came up with that programming to change nickels to a high tone was a genius...but I find a ton of nickels with this thing no matter what tones I am using.
Oh yea, also one of my best gold rings ever,(might be platinum and gold, actually), only 10 hours in with this thing and I have to credit that 4H tone mode for alerting me to that one because it was surrounded by other trash very close.
Over this year I spent several hours using 2F because I read it was quieter around EMI and got good with that and also found a lot.
I also got into using all metal a ton.
I used that to find mostly everything great at that heavy iron infested site and also in the woods and in many parks.
It works great, but man I get tired listing to all the signals all the time and especially that constant threshold hum.
In the last few weeks I found using 1 tone seems to be the best setting for me so far.
This is turning out to be my favorite out of all of them, and I will continue to use that until I find something better.
This mono tone seems more responsive than any others.
Faster, even using SL speed, it might enhance the target separation abilities too.
Since I switched to this tone I listen closely to what I am hearing an watch the screen and when I get any repeating tone and numbers that don't jump more than 5 or so I stop and maneuver the coil to see if I can get the target to jump 3 numbers or less and if it does I dig it.
It is hard to explain, but I seem to be able to notice targets better, get the numbers stable quicker, sort through trash easier with one tone by far more than any of the others, plus the thing is definitely way quieter at this mode than any others I tried even at severe EMI problem sites like the place where I just found my last silver dime.
Eerily and surprisingly quiet, actually...something to do with the programming I guess.
1F might work as well, but I only use that at sites once in awhile where that added modulation might help if I need more depth info at sites where there could be good stuff deep with not much trash.
At my trashy parks with tons of shallow trash I still use 1 tone because listening to all the zip zip sounds can also tire me out where 1 tone never does.
Try 1F but also try 1 tone and see how you like it.
With my usual disc settings at 4 it is fun and easy, recently with my disc set at 23 to cut out most of the little trash I think it is even quieter, more fun and I still seem to be plucking out the best targets from trash pits with confidence I am not missing much except maybe the tiniest targets like little earring studs.
Worth it to me.
A better chance to find the more common rings and chains than those rarer studs in less time I figure.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
[size=large]Ok.... Reckon I'm sold![/size]
Lol! Three ring morning at one of my favorite parks... Nice cool and for once... A little overcast. 74 degrees.
Had a fantastic time!
2 silver rings... Was happy with that Lol... Then... A 19k class of 1924 class ring! Weird... 19k... By Peters company. Wish I knew how to attach photos to this pm from my phone... My first class ring!!! And an oldie to boot! I figured 10k....but then saw the darker gold and felt the weight for this ladies size ring.... Yup 19k!
Wow! Score 3 for f70! Confidence is building lol
One of the silver ring I found last night. . But the other rings found in this morning hunt!
Thanks!
"Sigh"
Ya know...I tell people I am right about just everything all the time.
Only my wife believes me.
If YOU believe that I still got those nice used bridges for sale we need to talk about.
2 silver's and a bucket list gold, and an old and unusual gold, too.
Congrats.
Settings and particulars, please.
Did they all come in solid, numbers pretty stable?
I assume the class ring was zinc or higher depending on the size.
Throw the pics up on the forum...I would love to see them.
You need to join us on the Findmall forum and boast over there a little about these finds.
Always glad to have another convert join the party.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Lol... Ok.... Didn't really pay attention to the id for the silvers.... But... I know the id for the class ring was around the 39...between nickel and tab.
It's small.... Ladies size... But because 19k... Still weighed in a tad over 5 grams... I will probably try and return it.. I'll put some effort into it... I know the owner is not around due to being class of 24....but maybe a granddaughter had it and lost it. I have the school... The owners initials and year of graduation.. And that she is or was female. First class ring! First gold! Rock on f70! Lol!
Wish it was 10k... Lol less painful to return. Lol.... 19k..... That's a first for me. Lol
I have found some 18k and 22k.. But... A day of firsts Lol!
He is Ron...AZWIP on the forums, and a real nice guy.
He is a Tesoro guy through and through like me, more than me, actually, and real good with them too, but he bought an F2 awhile back just as a change and to fool around with and I gave him some tips and advice to help him out so now he asked me about this one.
Where he lives for some reason he has some major EMI going on, the F2 was never calm and this one was giving him a hard time too but with the huge amount of settings on the F70 I knew we could tame it if he listened to some advice.
Here is some of our correspondence over the last couple weeks that I put together here because due to the cold I am not getting out much or for very long when I do so I am totally bored.
Using what I learned this year I am attempting to shortcut him through and along that learning curve a bit faster than usual and I thought maybe some of you might enjoy seeing his progression over the last few weeks.
If you can't get out and hunt reading about someone's eyes slowly opening to new possibilities and having fun can be entertaining and the next best thing.
Think about this as a short little story with a happy ending.
That ending was something he found yesterday that was a first and a bucket list find so I think we have a new convert on our hands.
I was in sales for almost 30 years, got some mad skills in sales and communication and I can sell almost anything to anybody including ideas and new ways of thinking when I really believe in something and I sure do believe in Fisher products.
I am trying to get him to sign up over here and join the F70 party...I have already warned him about mudpuppy so he is prepared to deal with his nonsense.
For those of you that aren't as bored as me and just want to get to the good stuff just skip down to the end and there is a pretty picture down there for you to look at.
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"Originally Posted by AZWIP
I just picked up an F70! Figured I'd give another TID a shot.
Man, I know you are the guru of the F70... any advice to get that thing to run somewhat quieter??? Mine beeps and blats all over the place, lol. Of course I only have a few hours under my belt with it, but it sure is nothing like the Tesoros I have used, lol.
Is it the settings? The machine is pretty much brand new, bought off my buddy... he used it three times when he and I went out hunting. Long story short, he's not into hunting and I made him an offer.
Ok, sooooo, when I GB, it reads around 87. I then have the following settings:
Threshold = -3 (just set to -5 to try and get it to run quieter)
Disc - either 15 or 10
Speed = DE
Sensitivity - been playing around with around 60-80
Tones - Now, this is the interesting part... have played around with a number of these, I dunno... some are more noisy than others...Lots of folks liked the DP... but, I dunno... seems weird to me, lol.
Was using 2F and the 3 setting for Tones...
Bottom line, so many choices. Lol
But, seems whatever I try, its a noisy machine, nothing like the Tesoros... when the Tesoro beeped, there is a target, period. I have been playing with the F70... and often, can't find squat... lol, and of course I have a TRX and various pin pointers, and they remain quiet too.
It seems like the Vaquero is a deeper machine? And is very "sharp" when it finds an object... or perhaps I am just so used to the Tesoros and need to get adjusted to the F70?
Thoughts amigo?"
At that point I sent him a very long PM on settings, urging him to turn the sense way down, all kinds of tips and any other advice that I could think of and learned throughout this year swinging mine
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
WOW!!! Tons of great info Dave, man, I really appreciate your taking the time to write it all up, fantastic! Will follow your advice etc, and see how things go... you are the wizard, lol.
Yeah, I know my Tesoros like the back of my hand, lol, this F70 is a different animal, but I refuse to give up until I have given it enough time etc. And now with your info, I'm armed and will be trying the suggestions for sure.
Its tough when you have had such luck with another machine etc, to gain the confidence in a new one. I have found a decent amount of gold etc with the Tesoros... hoping for the same with this F70... and in my mind, that Vaq is a tough one to beat, lol. Although I have probably found most with the B2 and the CSC, king of top 6 inches lol.
Love the hobby though and am just as interested in it now as I was back 3.5 years or so ago.... time flies. Still recall my first gold ring like it was yesterday, lol. Now, I think at last count was around 48 gold rings... pretty much in the past 3 years as the first few months was all about experimenting etc... fun hobby!
And again, appreciate your info and input, man, you have mastered that F70!!!! Way to go!!!
Sooooo, will keep you posted as well as to how I make out with my new friend, if I get half as good as you with it... I'll be pretty happy, you have really scored some great treasures!!!! Love reading your write ups amigo, can tell you are into this hobby!
Thanks again Dave!
Ron
Well thanks!
Mastered the F70...I am not even close as far as I am concerned.
You can never master any detector I believe, there is always more to learn.
Almost every time out it surprises me and I learn something new.
I did get pretty good with it in only 10 months, but lots of the credit goes to my experience with the F2 and I just built on that.
Studying and using tips and suggestions from others all over the net shortened the learning curve a lot, also.
Turning down the sense and some of the other tips will get that thing quiet, the finds you will make hopefully will surprise you.
Switching back and forth between Fishers and Tesoros seems normal now, but overall I prefer the F70 because of what I have found in my short time with it and the possibility of what I can find in the future.
The potential is unlimited, I really believe that, and like the F2 it is fun to use especially when you get to understand it a little more.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Omg! The lights are --> slowly coming on!
Of course, using much of your advice etc... had a decent hunting tonight, nice quarter size katchina pendant, 925. Two other bling pieces... etc... this thing is "DEEP"! Real deep! I have not worked that hard in ages, lol!!!!
More later, I have relatives coming in.. talk to you soon!
Ron
Uh huh...told ya.
I never got it for this season but after doing so much deeper digging I must get a Predator hand digger next year.
The Lesche works, a scoop will get me down there even faster and more efficiently.
There is a whole other world down there, and that world holds some great targets that might even be only 1-2" deeper than what you have been currently used to.
Not to mention the 3-4-5 and 6" even deeper areas than your normal depth you can now easily reach.
Even hunting with my Vaq I didn't dig as many targets as deep as I do now, and that thing can get me down there, too.
As a matter of fact, I have said for a long time that using Tesoros and learning how to hunt by sound can only make you a much better and skilled hunter when you move to units with screens.
This year I learned the opposite is also true.
Using what I learned hunting that heavy iron site with the F70 where most good targets are all at about 6-7" deep and all masked to the nth degree, I used a little of that knowledge and went back with the Vaq one time and found another very early wheatie.
I hunted this site many times before with the Vaq with 2 different coils and never found much, now I know how to hunt deeper in heavy iron thanks to the F70.
All learning is good and useful if you are smart enough to apply it correctly no matter what you choose to swing that day.
One thing about really deep targets and they are out there, believe me.
I regular acquire and dig targets at the 6-7" level nowadays, and even deeper than that sometimes.
The standard 10" elliptical can get to the 10-12" mark in my good sol easily in disc, the sniper too, and that big DD will blow your mind.
Using that coil I can accurately ID depth and targets at the 10" plus area...even up to the 11-12 and 13" mark and more.
Many times I have hit that pinpoint button and have seen depth numbers of 12-15" on the screen but never dug them because I was in public parks, had frozen ground or was just to lazy to dig that deep.
A few times, and you might not believe this, I hit that PP button and saw numbers on the screen of 16-17 and even 18" show up.
I have full confidence there were actual targets down there that deep, too, maybe one day at the right site I will dig them.
I have dug one target super deep at a measured 15".
Nothing great, but I got audio and screen info plus an accurate depth reading on that one and I went for it.
Gotta go to work now, when I get back later this morning I will tell you about really deep stuff, what to look and listen for and how it works on the F70 and why the lessons you learned using Tesoros will come in very handy.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Thanks Dave, looking forward to it. Yeah, crazy deep... I did not chase a number of targets, because even with the PP and a 3 inch plug, still the ProPointer said nothing... so, mush have been deeper... lol... I did not use the Pin Point feature much last night as I can't see it, hunting in the dark, lol. So, am still in the guess mode when trying to figure out how deep the item is, I did use the Pin Point to help size and object up... interesting machine to say the least... I "think" I'm gonna like it... which is unusual for me to say, lol, as I really really like my Tesoros... (-;
But, this park, for being hunted out, lol, came alive last night... I was pleasantly surprised!!! Fun machine... but yeah... I may be getting a deeper digger at some point... with the Lesche... it was work, to hit those deeper items last night... I am used to just digging the Lesche in... and then a "pop" up the plug, and twist left or right... usually gets me a nice 5 or so inch clean and small plug, still hinged... but last night... uh, had to work for it, lol. Liking it so far!
Looking forward to hunting over the holidays... and will still be giving you a call, during the time off as well... Talk to you soon I hope.
Ron
This is the tool I am aiming for.
Going to clean some clad an buy myself a Christmas present.
This thing should be supplied with every F70/F75 or T2 in the box with the detector.
http://www.predatortools.com/item_details.asp?ID=2
Try something next time out.
Lower the sense a little more, maybe in the 50-60 or even a bit lower range and turn the thresh up to -2.
I rarely go lower than -2 at any of my sites, but your EMI stuff could be different.
The sense and the thresh are both sensitivity adjustments, sort of, hit on the right combination for your sites and your soil and and buy a miners helmet with a light and start learning Chinese because you would not believe the depth you can get.
Full blown out or really high settings might not get you the deepest all the time, either.
There is a possibility of setting this thing too hot and you can actually loose depth over lower settings.
All this is hard to wrap your head around when you have only used other brands.
Turn up the power and get deeper seems logical and the way it works on many detectors, not exactly so with these top end Fishers 100% of the time.
If quiet is what you want, and great depth and ID at depth is what you expect, get out of the "more power is deeper" way of thinking when you pull this thing out and swing it.
Not easy to do, but necessary to fully understand what it is capable of.
I only got confident in the F70 depth capabilities when I hit targets at the 5-6" and more depth with really low sense and negative thresh before I fully embraced this concept.
Again, as you search the forums for info you might come across many that tried the F70 or F75 and could never tame them and quiet them down and they knock them all over every chance they get forever more after they dumped them before the new detector smell even faded.
These types never "got" Fishers, always turned them up too high and like I said before, we who did take the time to understand them just laugh and laugh.
Did you see this thread?
This is with a new F75 and that has a few modes we don't have, but this air test was in boost process which is similar to our SL.
He hit a dime at 5-6" with the same coil we use, (and remember the core engine that drives both detectors are the same), and his sense was at 0.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?37,2124666
Basically, if we put these things into a coma they will still find and ID targets deeper and better than most others on the market.
As you get more experience using it and especially after hitting some deep signals at sense settings way lower than your 65 you will start to wrap your head around all this stuff.
Just try to remember this F70 just ain't like normal detectors...that helps.
Regarding the thresh, when I hunted early on at my normal park settings I found that in 4H when I got above -2 on the thresh it started to skew the tones a bit more than I like.
Still solid and clear, but like you I am an audio guy first and I just liked the solid sound I got at negative thresh more than 0 or higher.
Not that big of a deal in other tone modes like 1-1F or 2F or all metal, but 4H was my standard scoop up the jewelry and coins at parks setting at first.
I have been hunting in 1 or 1F for the last few weeks, really stable and quieter than most other modes I found and I really like it.
In this mode I can easily turn up the sense to between 80 and 90, sometimes higher, and also get the thresh up to the positive numbers from time to time and stay relatively quiet.
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy Dave, Happy Thanksgiving!
Did some more hunting today... yup, that's a deep machine, lol... had my settings around:
Thresh : -3, -4
Sens : 65
Tones: Spent time in 1, and 2F
Notch: 1 (lesson learned, lol)
Disc : Tried the 4 and 3 this time around
DE Mode
Awesome machine, lots to learn still... still don't have great "feel" yet, for great signals and sizing and depth - yet... I mean, my Tesoros, I know, I have to fair, I know them like the back of my hand, lol... pretty much can even tell a pulltab from coin or ring... signal size and "length" tell me a lot... but, I have been hunting with them for quite some time. What I know right now is... this F70 is DEEP!!! and Sensitive... even with those settings, I took out a silver earring backing, tiny thing, at around 5... it hit pretty well. But like I said, I need tons more time, I know that... also with that F75 11" DD Coil, using pinpoint feature, the items tend to be about an inch back from the tip... but if NOT using pinpoint, they seem to be right at the tip. Nice machine, for sure. Can't wait until more light bulbs light up, lol.
Confidence is building, will be better once I can score my first gold, lol... you know how that works, lol. 16 gold rings so far this year (I think, not sure, kind of have not counted in a while, lol) with the Tesoros, plus two nice gold crosses, a solid unbroken gold ID bracelet, etc etc... been a fun year! Tons of work though, ... am hoping same or better with the F70, lol... I know, luck, location and a lot of digging! Its all good. Even if I don't score gold for a while... too many good hunts, lol.
But, yeah, the power of this thing, pretty impressive and I'm still tip of the ice berg in terms of knowing this machine. Thankfully, winter hunting is the best here in AZ... hopefully get lots of practice and the advice from you and some others, is fantastic!
So, with that in mind, I know confidence plays a big role in my opinion... and even though my confidence is very high with the Tesoros... I know I have been using them a lot in the past 3 years... I know that gradually the confidence with the F70 will also continue and grow.
Thanks for all your help!
Ron
Happy holiday, hope you didn't stuff yourself...that is for the turkey.
Starting out, I had no clue about the sounds I was hearing or seizing or any of that,
With each new tone mode and also major changes in the other settings I had to practice for a few hours to get comfortable and confident.
The back of your hand knowledge all slowly came to me with a little of that practice.
Yes, the wiggle pull back pinpointing method puts the target a little further back behind the
coil rim than the Tesoros, but slowly I got used to doing it another way, too.
Look at the coil, just past the area where the lower rod attaches is a small faint circle.
Using the pinpoint button the lowest numbers and loudest tone will put the target directly under that circle.
You cannot believe how small some of the targets were that I found with mine, or how deep.
EXTRA sensitive is the term.
You will get more solid signals on the deeper ones in SL, also the higher you turn up the thresh the signals come in better.
65 on the sense and -3 or -4 on the thresh are what you seem comfortable with.
Try 50 or 45 or 40 on the sense and raise the thresh up to -2...higher if you can and see what happens.
You might just stay quiet and actually get even deeper and or clearer signals than you do now...maybe.
I can't wrap my head around going past -3 on the thresh, I rarely ever go past -2 on the thresh but that is me.
You are just starting and the things this thing can do are unbelievable.
It will take you time to get the same feeling and confidence level as when using your Tesoros...but not 3 years, la matter of a few more hours.
You'll see.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy again... Ok... So I should try threshold at around 2....or negative 2?
As high as possible and still be quiet.
I sometimes get into higher than 0 into the positive numbers when I am hunting in disc but not on 4H because it makes targets sound weird to me.
1, 1F 2F should all work fine with a higher thresh over -2.
-3 is the factory setting, -2 is the least I usually go, higher might make it noisier but lower the sense a bit if it gets to noisy at -2 or above,
Major depth has to do with both the sense and the thresh, just try a few things and see what happens.
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Ron...
Still messing around and fine tuning...
...but getting closer to favorite settings on every hunt.
I have spent a year messing around with all kinds of combinations of tones and settings, mostly because I knew you were going to get one and I wanted you to take advantage of all my time spent experimenting and use some of my settings and just hunt and find the good stuff right away.
If you believe that I got a few bridges you need to look at...but if all my time spent figuring this thing out helps you too I will be happy.
The more I experience and learn the more I move closer to settings I will use next year...which I expect will be a great one.
Today's hunt at a super trashed out entrance at a 100 year old park.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?37,...79#msg-2125979
Originally Posted by AZWIP
Lol! Yeah, I knew you were doing it all just for me. Lol, that's why I waited patiently. Lol!!
Nice finds Dave! I think in a little over 3 years.... I have only found 2 silver Dimes. Lol! Az is tough!
So... Experimented around some with the settings as per your previous message.. This thing is definitely tunable Lol!
Runs very different depending on settings Unreal.
Seems to be much better with 2F or 1...That's for sure.
Ended up back at 65, Disc at 3, threshold seems to like negative2 ior negative 3...Runs much smoother.... Played with sensitivity around 50 and up... Pretty darn sensitive!
. Ron
Do the math, only about a million different possible settings.
Go to Findmall and read about all the totally different settings each hunter settled in with using.
Many the same but many totally different and all successful using their own signature settings.
mudpuppy is the expert at DP on lower power and he has this bopping and hopping the coil method for pinpointing that finds him an unbelievable amount of clad coins and lots of jewelry fast.
IBdiggin uses the standard elliptical coil and has gotten great at using it.
Others usually use all metal blown out disc settings looking for relics and silver coins, some use really low sense and thresh all the time and still get remarkably deep.
Me...I try it all but I am slowly getting near some favorites that I will probably settle in with depending on site conditions and what I am going after.
This F70 is a chameleon...it can be several completely different detectors in one, can be set to hunt any site from salt water to trash to iron and even nugget hunting and be wildly successful, and each hunter eventually finds his way to his own perfect and confident settings with enough time and experience.
I have never experienced anything like this with any other detectors or coil combinations, and when I say I am amazed by the things I see it do on almost every hunt I am not kidding.
You are just at the beginning of your journey...the best is yet to come.
Dave
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Then a couple of PM's sent regarding using a little higher disc up to 23 instead of 4 in the woods and at a trashy park with a few pics of my finds.
Also...
One more thing.
Regarding the subject of using disc.
It is well known that on several brands the more disc you use the less depth you get.
It might only be a little, but there is usually some depth loss.
I know that this is true on my Tesoros, I usually use both and especially my Compadre on all metal or way down at iron or at or below the I in iron to get the clearest deepest signals and then thumb the disc knob to figure them out after for this reason.
I have gotten some faint iffy signals on both units with the disc high and turning it down to low but not all metal they came in much more solid and clear and louder so that proved it to me.
When it comes to the F70 all evidence from the many posts and reviews I have read seems to point to the fact that this is not true on this unit or the F75 at all.
No, No Nannette...just another life altering fact you must learn to wrap your head around due to switching over to a new-to-you brand of detector.
If you can hit a coin at 10" with the disc set low, by turning the disc up even all the way to 65 you should not hear, see or experience any difference in signal sound or screen behavior at all.
Again, not easy to believe this due to your Tesoro experience but I believe it is true never the less.
I only had a few deep signals that I tested this on and it did seem to be true.
Let yourself go, Ron, become one with the all and embrace the Fisher lifestyle and all the wondrous things it can do.
Your life will be enriched as well as your treasure collection if you do.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy Dave, some awesome finds again!! You are rockin this F70!!!
And, as always, great advice... yup, went back out again last night... to my "hunted" out park... came home with some neat finds as they were all really small "pins" if you will of the religious nature... kind of cool, and small, the F70 hit nice and hard on each of them!
This is one sensitive little machine!!!! I am learning, lol, "starting" to be able to distinguish a bit more between the trash hits and the good ones, will take time though. Using the F2 and 1 all night last night, I like em both, not sure which I'd prefer... the 2F is kind of fun as you do get that Zip sound for shallow hits... kind of neat... of course did not use the ID as it was night hunting... but always seemed that the decent well defined hits were the ones that were good targets... versus the hits that were not repeatable etc... which ended up being foil or some form of iron... the signals are "starting" to talk to me a bit more... love it when that starts to happen... I was at the point with the tesoros where I could tell foil from decent targets because they were always a bit less defined, or softer/scratchier, lol tough to describe I guess... but it seems I always knew when it was a round object that was ring size... pretty much the ol... its either coin, tab or ring... had that down to a science, lol... this one is starting to talk now... as I am guessing a bit more accurately now based on the hit... and the sizing is starting to happen as well... especially id I use the pinpoint feature...
Thanks again for the all the help, you have been a great help Dave - I appreciate it!
Ron
I believe that in a short while that same feeling you get about targets will start to happen on the F70 too.
mudpuppy over on findmall uses DP tones almost exclusively and he says he can ID targets in the ground before he digs...like Tabdog can do with a Compadre.
He boasts that sometimes he can even read the date off of coins before he digs...but most of us think he needs his meds adjusted more often than he thinks.
He is a riot, and others over there are more than helpful and skilled.
I loved hunting with the F70 from the moment I first turned it on and swung over dirt, but I had no clue on what was really happening at the time.
I am at my one year anniversary with it now, maybe about 10 months total hunting time, (we have winter here, ya know), and I am light years ahead of that first day...and still joyfully learning on every hunt.
As great as the Tesoros are, as much as I enjoy using them, this one gives me even more joy and the extra information is not just helpful it is astounding.
Take your time learning, this is a hobby not a job, but if you are like me you will probably learn to love this thing as much as I do and don't be surprised if you realize this fact sooner rather than later.
A couple of gold or silver finds will help move along this process so go out and find some already!
Dave
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Howdy Dave... We finally caught some rain here and was perfect night... Man.... Dunno if it's because of the rain... But I was digging some deep stuff tonight! My hunted out park came back to life!
Am getting it a bit more... Keeping it 2F.. I like that so far... Still negative 3 on threshold... Disc at 4..sensitivity.... Up to 70 now... Runs pretty solid with those... Notch 1....DE
Man.... Enjoying this so far... The little stuff that hit fairly hard amazed me.... This bad boy don't miss much. The coin, ring tabs are starting to be picked up by me... No gold yet lol... But it's ok.. After all these are my hunted out parks.
But yeah pretty impressed so far. Fun night... Coins and some bling.
Hope you are well.
. Ron
EVERY site I hit this year was like a new site, and except for one new basketball court these are all sites I have scoured in the past with my F2 and 2 coils, the Compadre and even my Vaq and a couple of coils including the big DD.
One park is large but has bit hit by untold numbers of hunters for 40 years or more...and I still found Indian heads, silver coins and silver and gold rings there and most of it in areas with 100 years of trash built up.
This was a park I asked about when I moved here on our club's local website and was told there was probably nothing left here but modern clad and jewelry.
I love when people tell me that.
Even though most of the targets I found were not really all that deep, 6" or less, the F70 just lives at a deeper level than all the other detectors I have used except the Vaq...but the Fisher just could see and tell me more about targets at all depths then the Vaq, and see them clearer or it seemed that way, anyway.
All targets at all levels including the few deep ones past 6" were just locked onto better than all my others.
At the severe iron site where I pulled out so much this year using the knowledge I learned with the F70 I went back with the Vaq and found more which is something I couldn't do in the past...but it was still way easier with the Fisher and this was a site that frustrated many others including several with decades of experience using top end Whites and Minelabs.
The small size of the targets this thing will lock onto with a solid loud tone and stable numbers is amazing and will give my Compadre a run for its money, and the really deep ones at 8" or more is an experience I rarely had using anything in the past.
I had very little time to hunt compared to other seasons so I stuck close to home mostly and just hit the same old parks this year, spent a ton of time in the woods too just spinning my wheels mostly, also, and still found 9 silver coins even though I wasn't really looking for these, more Indians than any other season and a great amount of silver jewelry an even 5 gold targets.
Remember for almost 2 months I was shut down at the beginning of the year from mid Jan. to mid March and I messed around with the settings and did way less digging than usual learning this thing from last Dec. When I got it till July.
When I finally settled down and started hunting with a few favorite settings the finds popped out of the ground at a place that astounded me.
I still can't believe I found as much as I did this year and the quality of some of the things I found not to mention the severe conditions and trash that I found some of them in.
I told you this thing was jaw droppingly amazing...you are just starting to get a hint of that.
Just wait, it gets way better as you learn.
Dave
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
You are absolutely correct, cracks me up... the tiny size of the item and the "hit" for same... unreal! I have found more tiny items I had left behind, just amazes me. Yeah, this machine is sensitive, AND, its only at around 70%!!! AND, I'm still a rookie with it! Getting better thanks to you!
Yeah, am looking forward to a few daylight hunts over the weekend, now that we are looking at the mid to upper 70's during the day... Sun still warm as all get out, but its ok... better than 115 and sunshine! Ugh. Lol. Enjoy nights the most, but daytime is fun as well.
Where is it you live Dave? Hope your weather is great and you can get out there amigo.
May try a hunt or two now with the tones at 1 instead of 2F, ought to be fun. Lol
Ron
I live in Olathe Kansas, top right NE corner of the state 6 miles from the Missouri border.
Weird living near the dividing line of 2 different states, but there are advantages like pricing on some different products and services due to different tax rates and laws.
Right now it is 41, overcast, raining and totally miserable, so where exactly would you like to bite me?
I started out with 4H tones and used that for many hours because it was similar to my F2 and found a lot.
As I have said before, whoever came up with that programming to change nickels to a high tone was a genius...but I find a ton of nickels with this thing no matter what tones I am using.
Oh yea, also one of my best gold rings ever,(might be platinum and gold, actually), only 10 hours in with this thing and I have to credit that 4H tone mode for alerting me to that one because it was surrounded by other trash very close.
Over this year I spent several hours using 2F because I read it was quieter around EMI and got good with that and also found a lot.
I also got into using all metal a ton.
I used that to find mostly everything great at that heavy iron infested site and also in the woods and in many parks.
It works great, but man I get tired listing to all the signals all the time and especially that constant threshold hum.
In the last few weeks I found using 1 tone seems to be the best setting for me so far.
This is turning out to be my favorite out of all of them, and I will continue to use that until I find something better.
This mono tone seems more responsive than any others.
Faster, even using SL speed, it might enhance the target separation abilities too.
Since I switched to this tone I listen closely to what I am hearing an watch the screen and when I get any repeating tone and numbers that don't jump more than 5 or so I stop and maneuver the coil to see if I can get the target to jump 3 numbers or less and if it does I dig it.
It is hard to explain, but I seem to be able to notice targets better, get the numbers stable quicker, sort through trash easier with one tone by far more than any of the others, plus the thing is definitely way quieter at this mode than any others I tried even at severe EMI problem sites like the place where I just found my last silver dime.
Eerily and surprisingly quiet, actually...something to do with the programming I guess.
1F might work as well, but I only use that at sites once in awhile where that added modulation might help if I need more depth info at sites where there could be good stuff deep with not much trash.
At my trashy parks with tons of shallow trash I still use 1 tone because listening to all the zip zip sounds can also tire me out where 1 tone never does.
Try 1F but also try 1 tone and see how you like it.
With my usual disc settings at 4 it is fun and easy, recently with my disc set at 23 to cut out most of the little trash I think it is even quieter, more fun and I still seem to be plucking out the best targets from trash pits with confidence I am not missing much except maybe the tiniest targets like little earring studs.
Worth it to me.
A better chance to find the more common rings and chains than those rarer studs in less time I figure.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
[size=large]Ok.... Reckon I'm sold![/size]
Lol! Three ring morning at one of my favorite parks... Nice cool and for once... A little overcast. 74 degrees.
Had a fantastic time!
2 silver rings... Was happy with that Lol... Then... A 19k class of 1924 class ring! Weird... 19k... By Peters company. Wish I knew how to attach photos to this pm from my phone... My first class ring!!! And an oldie to boot! I figured 10k....but then saw the darker gold and felt the weight for this ladies size ring.... Yup 19k!
Wow! Score 3 for f70! Confidence is building lol
One of the silver ring I found last night. . But the other rings found in this morning hunt!
Thanks!
"Sigh"
Ya know...I tell people I am right about just everything all the time.
Only my wife believes me.
If YOU believe that I still got those nice used bridges for sale we need to talk about.
2 silver's and a bucket list gold, and an old and unusual gold, too.
Congrats.
Settings and particulars, please.
Did they all come in solid, numbers pretty stable?
I assume the class ring was zinc or higher depending on the size.
Throw the pics up on the forum...I would love to see them.
You need to join us on the Findmall forum and boast over there a little about these finds.
Always glad to have another convert join the party.
HH
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Originally Posted by AZWIP
Lol... Ok.... Didn't really pay attention to the id for the silvers.... But... I know the id for the class ring was around the 39...between nickel and tab.
It's small.... Ladies size... But because 19k... Still weighed in a tad over 5 grams... I will probably try and return it.. I'll put some effort into it... I know the owner is not around due to being class of 24....but maybe a granddaughter had it and lost it. I have the school... The owners initials and year of graduation.. And that she is or was female. First class ring! First gold! Rock on f70! Lol!
Wish it was 10k... Lol less painful to return. Lol.... 19k..... That's a first for me. Lol
I have found some 18k and 22k.. But... A day of firsts Lol!
You really created a monster here in this guy REVIER!...
