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The penny yard

bibelot

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I got around to detect a new permission, Penny signals every where.. While pulling pennies, I dug some copper bits with a label still on them. Then I dug 3 pennies that were holed in different areas of the yard. I became irritated, started digging signals other than the penny range, I dug 2 dimes and a quarter then the big crotal bell and then I dug a squeaky iron signal and dug another smaller crotal bell. It made it all worth while.

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I found the maker of the large crotal bell.

William Barton III (1762-1849)
W B or B W maker's mark on petal bells.
William Barton was listed as an "artificer" in an early census. (3) He may possibly have been making sleigh bells as early as the 1790s in New York state. (6) By 1808, he had built a foundry in East Hampton, Connecticut, to produce hand and sleigh bells. (9) These bells were smoothed by hand on a lathe. In 1816, the original foundry was destroyed by fire, and a new foundry was constructed.
In 1826, Barton moved his foundry to Cairo, New York, and resumed operations with two of his sons William IV and Jason. William Bevin was an indentured servant at the Cairo foundry (see Bevin Brothers, below). Barton applied for a pension in 1833 and presumably retired at that time. (19) More....
William and his wife Clarissa Betts (b about 1767, d 1851 or 185:geek: had eleven children, although two died young. (3) Their children included Nancy, William IV, Clarissa, Hubbard, Hiram, Almira, Julia, Philura, and Jason (9) and Robert who died in infancy and Barzillia (19). As adults, all of his surviving sons made bells of various kinds.
Some sources credit Barton with making the first one-piece cast sleigh bell about 1809 (1, 9), but this is just an interesting fable. One-piece crotals were made in the UK as early as the 1500s. (:geek: One source also suggests that some bells with the W B maker's mark may have been made by his father Captain Barton. (6)
Having seen many WB bells, I do know the design of WB bells varied greatly over time. The earliest bells with the "WB" maker's mark look similar to elegant British "rumblers" made in the late 1700s and very early 1800s. This was the era in which when Barton's father and Barton himself would have been making sleigh bells, so it is likely that both men were influenced by British designs. (5) Later WB bells, while still attractive, are not as ornately detailed. Except for the WB mark, these bells are indistinguishable from ones made by Barton's sons Hiram and/or Hubbard (see below). (5)
I cannot confirm whether this variation was due to two men, father and son, who both made sleigh bells. It may also have been that William Barton III was willing to experiment and innovate, and the design of his bells evolved over time.
 
Very interesting how you found all of the info just from the makers mark. I like that kins of stuff. Your in a good area for some awesome relics.
 
bigtim1973 said:
Very interesting how you found all of the info just from the makers mark. I like that kins of stuff. Your in a good area for some awesome relics.

I was like stoked to find those bells, so tonight when I went back and got serious about finding things missed. The third target in was like a stones throw from a riot when I remembered seeing one of those before...…

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I believe it is an identical twin to the one you dug earlier this year ?

I can't believe Steve missed these two beauties.

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Three different farms, I found the same thing, holed pennies from the punch press at work, some stamped HA with a metal stamp set,, I worked with him for years before he retired about 10 years ago. I never knew he metal detected. He is in his mid 70's now, How he laughed at my finding them, made it all worth while. His parents were math and English teachers when I was growing up.

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The back of the General Grant token thingy

I did find a 1956 wheat as well as 2 quarters and 2 dimes and crappy pennies


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How interesting. It is from the same set but mine is John Quincy Adams. But it has the exact same hole in it. I wonder if it was on some kind of bracelet or key chain. Who knows for sure but I know it is from the same collection. That is some cool stuff. When I am not finding much coins at an old house site, I still enjoy digging the odd little token things. I have several as well. Some I have never heard of before too. Keep up the good work!!
 
Went back today, dug a ton more pennies, dimes and junk.I hit three deeper signals, pretty sure one is an Indianhead but I will clean them up and see what's underneath the green gunk.

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2 of three identified so far. 2 Indian heads, 1889 and a 1891.It is nice to find the lower ID over the regular penny ID.:jump:

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The third is a 1888 Indian head.https://i.postimg.cc/wM2cTgQJ/DSC04471.jpg
 
Very nice historical finds and story. Congrats !
 
The Digger said:
Nice finds. Always fun to pull out Indians.
Thank you. I am comparing as I go. The Double D coil couldn't see them. A 9" concentric seen them but with a heavy iron buzz with a solid mid tone mixed in, id jumped from 06 to 51.I had a shrew coil on the racer 2 and it couldn't see them but I think they were beyond its depth capability. You read that you need to use double d coils for mineralized ground. This ground on the mineralized scale was three bars on one scale or over half way of the round mineralize chart, depending on which Makro machine was being used. The other thing I wonder is what the heck was he using back then to think he searched an area out ? I can tell you what ever it was, it did a good job on silver. When I hit a site and find his holed pennies, I've only been able to find 3 silvers, all were dimes and the signals were funky, not nice smooth round signals. They were signals like you get when the coin is on edge. Knowing this I try harder than normal to find the things that he missed. I found old pull tabs there too. Normally, when I dig these, I also find silver but it is different this time from the person who previously searched the grounds.

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My last day spent on the penny yard. I finally found silver but not in form of a coin. It is the thinnest ring I've dug in a while but with a 925 stamp ,so I am happy that I found any at all, I 've finally concluded that I am not going to find silver coins here. I tried not to dig too many penny signals and still dug more than I care from ID getting pulled down with the iron. I have permission to hunt another 1700 home which is nearer the person who threw the holed pennies out, so if I pull one holed penny, I will pack up and move on. I've spent way more time than I should have trying to find what isn't there but managed to pick up things that made it all worth while. Not so productive days spent behind the machine are still better than the best days at work.Thank you for those who looked or took the time to post, I'm really happy with the Makro machines and their simplicity to use. I can't decide to buy the new simplex machine or a x35 coil for the XP deus that I've been reluctant to use.

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Well good job. You look like you have went and pretty much cleaned it out. And little silver to boot too!
 
There are so many targets in that yard! What is the size of the yard?

Also, now that you have cleaned the area a little, I would recommend trying 2 tone and listening to the size and quality of tone. Maybe with Iron volume on 1 or two? I bet there are some targets that have their TID's being skewed because of so many targets.

CS
 
Have been at the penny yard the last two days. I helped tear down the front porch today and take it to the burn pile out back, so not a lot of detecting today but I managed to pull a silver dime this morning. That nail was directly over it in the plug. The dime was showing on the bottom of the plug when pulled from the hole. I thought I had another coin masking as I could only get a high ID in one direction on it while in the ground, turns out was just the nail above it in the plug. The Nel Tornado has good target separation. I was intending to hunt a pasture up the road that had a Hotel on it but the owner and his son has a metal detector and said he would rather not let me metal detect on his property.

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I have been messing around with 99 tones. It is a nice feature, don't look at the ID, it gets knocked down from the iron but you can tell there is something else there amongst the iron. Trust the tones, forget the id. The Indianhead's id was 31-32 amongst the iron but a definite repeatable high tone there. I was thinking deep war nickel as they sometimes ramp up the id with depth, pleasant surprise to see a Indianhead. It is neat to dig a steel penny and know it's a steel penny, it was sitting directly on top of the 1944 penny, it turned the '44 pink but a lot came off with soap and water, haven't seen that before. The shotgun head stamp is a U.M.C. Co. Club Circle Primer. Circa 1885-1891, it was pretty much on edge , I've finally dug a bullet that matches the rimfire cartridges that I've dug. I'm thinking 32 rimfire, nothing but a U on the cartridge and the rimfire pin indent.

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bigtim1973 said:
How interesting. It is from the same set but mine is John Quincy Adams. But it has the exact same hole in it. I wonder if it was on some kind of bracelet or key chain. Who knows for sure but I know it is from the same collection. That is some cool stuff. When I am not finding much coins at an old house site, I still enjoy digging the odd little token things. I have several as well. Some I have never heard of before too. Keep up the good work!!

I found out some information on these tokens.My token is a 1868 Grant for president token fob. The political one's were meant holed for fob. Some were token pins, Fobs and token's. In the civil war token genre, holed is bad unless manufactured holed/fobbed.Political genre, they don't seem to care.. Fuld book for Civil war token's/DeWitt & Sullivan for political token's are the 2 book's of each genre that is considered the standard even used by NGC and PCGS grading services. Keep it, it will rise in value faster than any other numismatic genre.
 
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