Two LTD and Histroy which coil?

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Hit a camp that dates back to the gold rush days. The Chinese lived on the land and there were about 1000. We covered about half of the area. But the ground was hot and there were nails from horse shoes and square nails from buildings all hiding in the ground.

Crosby and I got the OK from the land owner and this area has is right in the middle of the gold rush. We started with our 11DD and Crosby got a couple of Chinese coins and a token.

I was still digging nails in fact I was digging everything no matter what. I didn't want to miss out on anything. We were told we could hunt two day there. I know the owener from work. She is an American Indian and a very nice person. So I am starting to see Crosby take the lead in finds and I am starting to think maybe my machine is not working. We both had the LTD and I was using a disc of 4 and a sens of about 75.


I got out my 5 inch DD and saw how small it was and how much area there was to hunt. BUt I had to keep up with Crosby. Well the 5" seemed to work the way I needed the big coil to work. It hit better and if I had a target that had nails and most of my targets had square nails it would lock on better.

I started to find lots of cool relics from the 1800s. But the concern I have is a lot of you guys use the bigger coil which makes sense. The smaller coil is perfect for tight areas. I could not hunt with out the small coil and even Crosy changed coils.

We were getting about 8 inches on the small coil in a clay dirt soil. When you dug the dirt would stick to everything.

I don't have the time to show you photos of our finds becasue we have another hunt this morning at the Castle that dates back to the 1890. We were asked to find some of the history that is in the ground. And we donate our finds and in return we get to hunt and we get a disply with our names for all to see the lost history we found.

So small coils worked way better in bad ground then the bigger coil. And I can understand why but it seems that would be the way to hunt in an area that is full of nails and trash. Video and photos to follow..

 

[jim tn]

Sounds like a good spot and some good recoveries being made. The 5" dd coil has become my coil of choice when in heavy trash. I've been rehunting a lot of spots with it and am just amazed at how many good targets it gets. It will hit coins quite well in the 8" range and by the sound, even deeper. Hope you had good luck today. HH jim tn

 

[Elton]

Sounds like you have another awsome spot . Are you going to do videos ??

 

[Tinfoil]

Just get you a wooden yard stick and lay it at the bottom of your coil. How about a footprint of 8"s at sen of 85 and around 7"s at sen. of 65. This goes all the way out to at least 8"s. Like the old saying sight your gun in before you go hunting. The F75 footprint is not as wide as the LTD in Boost so be carefull in the trash and don't worry about turning the LTD down as you still get plenty of depth in boost.. Just some info for some of you guys. : : HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Tinfoil]

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[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Video will be ready in a few weeks

 

[dgc]

Just get you a wooden yard stick and lay it at the bottom of your coil. How about a footprint of 8"s at sen of 85 and around 7"s at sen. of 65. This goes all the way out to at least 8"s.

Jerry, just to make sure I am clear on what you stated. Are you saying that the footprint of the 5"DD coil is 8" in diameter at a sensitivity of 85? In other words the footprint extends another 1.5" from the edge of the coil all the way around it? And are you also saying this footprint extends down into the ground to a depth of 8"?

Thanks

 

[jim tn]

What Jerry is saying is at those sen. settings in the bp mode the 5" coil see's all targets out to a 7" to 8" radius. In essence, and has been my experience, too, the footprint of the 5" coil becomes 7" with a sen. setting of 65 when in the bp mode. And, such settings effect the other coils as well. This bp mode really is something special, but does take some time to utilize and understand all it has going for it. HH jim tn

 

[dgc]

What Jerry is saying is at those sen. settings in the bp mode the 5" coil see's all targets out to a 7" to 8" radius.

So Jim, are you saying at high sensitivity the coil is seeing targets that are 5 1/2" away from the edge of the coil? 2 1/2 "(physical coil radius) + 5 1/2" = 8" . No wonder the larger coils with their even larger footprints are so tough to use in a high trash density environment. I'm going to re-hunt a heavily iron infested old house site with the 5"DD at a very low sensitivity setting (30 or so) and see if I find anything else. I know I will lose depth, but maybe the better separation will yield a few finds.

Thanks

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

So are you saying that I should have hunted at a way lower sens? Doesn't effect the masking and you lose the ability to see more of what the iron is hiding.

 

[Tinfoil]

The bigger the footprint of the coil the more masking you are going to get due to the larger amount of targets that are going to be under the coils (in your case Iron nails} even the 5"DD. Even at 65 Sen. in boost your coil size is 7"s not 5"s and that is out to a depth of 8"s+. Same with the 7.5X11.5" DD now you are working with a 9.5X12.5" DD coil.

You did the right thing by going and getting the 5" coil. since you were in the bad iron trash you could have dropped it to Sen. of 65, no notch, Dis. of 6 and 2F on the tones. If that don't work drop it down lower. Don't forget you are using the LTD and it has a lot more power then the F75 and with the LTD in boodt you can swing slower. If you need even more seperation then switch over to CL mode you get the same footprint but deeper depth and a even slower sweep and can seperate the target even better.

The 2F tones have 3 tones not 2. Iron tone, beep on a good target above iron and a soft sweet audio on deep targets that are good targets. That will quiten down your LTD and knock out the iron chatter that only distracts you from the good targets that are above iron. Not to mention the sweet smooth audio you get on a deep good target. Guys that run the machine noisy miss deep targets because they can't hear them for the chatter or pops and cracks when they are running 0 Dis. Now a large iron target will give you a beep but all you do is size it in pinpoint and see where it pinpoints in relation to the beep. That should tell you if it is iron or not. Then some times you just have to dig the damn thing especially if you got that constant good target beep tone along with the grunt.

What we are after in the iron trash is what I call the squeekers or chirps or good beeps above a iron targett or that sweet soft audio that is mixed in with the iron grunts.

Matter of fact you can run a higher Sen. when you are at a Dis. of 6 then you can at 0. Don't forget you still have a f75 and the fast sweep by just pushing the red buttton in Boost and that switches you over to DE Mode like you would be hunting with the F75.

In the Bad A$$ iron trash I have had to even go to 55/50 Sen. in boost. Down here I still need the depth the LTD gives me and it is still deeper at 55 with less masking then the f75 at Sen. of 75. I have even had to switch over to DE to try and get the good targets out and that is even a smaller footprint with your different coils. The point is, with the LTD you can do all these different tricks better then then the F75 can do it.

Man hunting in the trashy iron is a art and you have to try a lot of different things to get the good stuff out of it. I have even had to go to CL drop the Sen. down to 50/55, go slow to get the good stuff out and even then I have had to switch over to all metal.

All Metal hunting is even a different ballgame with the LTD. However down here all the good stuff is gone. Now it is down deep and in the iron an the trash. The LTD will get it for you but you sure have to know just how it hunts and which modes to use and when to use them. So I really can't tell you how to hunt the iron trash but I have pointed out a few things you can do to help with finding the targets and help with your iron trash hunting.

The LTD is the best, deepest machine I have and I have a lot of machines. It is better for on edge targets then any detector I have and that is because of the larger footprint of the coil at a lower Sen. .

Hopefull I have helped you some. Maybe not, but thanks for the reply to my Post.

Oh BTW nice finds. I liked the Belt Plate. Later HH : : Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Tinfoil]

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[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Everything you have said is just what I did. In trash and iron you have to be able to hear both iron and good tagets. The nails would give a higher tone and would give a VDI of a coin. But by digging any good tone I found the good stuff. I think everyone thinks more sens less disc is the way to go but not in dirty ground. The deep targets do get lost with the chatty sounds of the LTD. Great info.

 

[Tinfoil]

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[Low-Boy/LCPM]

So the CL will even unmask more targets in iron with a slow swing how about everyday trash?

 

[dgc]

Thanks Jerry. I already found it. Thanks for all the tips. Good stuff.

 

[Tinfoil]

So before I lose this one I will just say yes right along with all the rest of the different modes you have on the LTD. Sorry I lost the last reply to your post as it was a good one. So just let me say when in doubt just dig it and when you think your machine is not hunting right, Turn The Bi%&h Down and start over. Man that was sure a good answer I had for you too before I lost it and even with examples too. Oh well, next time. : : HH Later Jerry aka Tinfoil