Vaquero in all metal

[homebre]

I am a relatively new Vaquero user (about 10 months) and have generally been using it in DISC mode. Been experimenting using earphones and all metal to see if I find anything different from what I find in DISC. So far I have not found anything different except what I deduce may be false positive tones (possibly mineralization or "wet" layers of different soils. Maybe I haven't dug deep enough yet). My question is is All Metal Mode much deeper than DISC mode at the low end of the scale (iron)? What advantages are there in using All Metal in non-trashy areas? If you DISC at the Silver end of the scale, are you significantly reducing depth? I would not use All Metal in trashy areas as I do not want to dig everything if I know there are a lot of pull tabs and foil around. Thanks for any help.

 

[GunnarMN]

homby I bet its deeper in all metal , and you may find some masked items, using all metal

 

[thump7]

I found there was little if any depth loss going from min disc to maximum disc.
The All-Metal mode was definitely deeper than disc mode from my experience,I found the stock coil worked the best in AM mode for where I was detecting. Especially for iron.
Coil covers are made for a reason, rub the coil on the ground if the conditions allow for it. The AM mode won't sound off the way disc mode does when you bump something, or at least not so bad. listen for the tiniest wavers on the threshold with the threshold set so you can barely hear it. Ground balance is everything. Ground balance it perfectly neutral for am mode, at least 1/4 turn negative for disc mode.
When you get a signal, if you think it might just be the ground minerals, check to see if it is repeatable. If it is, turn 90degrees and check to see if it is still repeatable. if it still is then dig er up, chances are pretty good it is a real target, that's the way it worked where I am anyways
For most trashy areas I chose to use the AM mode rather than disc. But then again I only coins shoot in those spots. Hold the coil 10" to a foot above the ground and listen for the farmiliar "woot" that a coin makes, all other targets will either be too far from the coil to make a sound or big enough to easily identify it from a coin sized target. I have gone over some of these things with more detail in other posts on this forum.

Good luck.

 

[Monte]

I am a relatively new Vaquero user (about 10 months) and have generally been using it in DISC mode.

Not everyone considers themselves still 'new' after 10 months, so that was nice to hear.

Been experimenting using earphones and all metal to see if I find anything different from what I find in DISC. So far I have not found anything different except what I deduce may be false positive tones (possibly mineralization or "wet" layers of different soils. Maybe I haven't dug deep enough yet.

Using quality headphones with a good, clean audio can really help hear the faint responses, and little subtle differences in audio responses from different targets. It takes time, but it is learnable.

Hunting in the All Metal mode can be equally beneficial, when the time is favorable, as you can get better depth and hear the smaller, weaker responses better than in the Disc. mode.

My question is is All Metal Mode much deeper than DISC mode at the low end of the scale (iron)?

It can be deeper, and at times noticeably deeper as it will basically ignore the ground signal (with a proper Ground Balance) and not have to deal with the ground 'filtering' necessary for the Discriminate mode to operate.

What advantages are there in using All Metal in non-trashy areas?

Improved depth and ability to hear smaller and/or weaker and/or lower-conductive targets that you can in the Discriminate mode.

If you DISC at the Silver end of the scale, are you significantly reducing depth?

Possibly, if the ground is a higher mineral make-up or is an "intense mineral body" (my term for dirt clods, pea gravel, rocks, etc.). Also, if you sweep too fast in the Discriminate mode, you might not allow ample time for the circuitry to process out the ground signal and/or rejected trash signal and pass the good target signal. The Discriminate mode requires a more controlled or regulated sweep speed for the existing conditions.

I would not use All Metal in trashy areas as I do not want to dig everything if I know there are a lot of pull tabs and foil around. Thanks for any help.

Nope, and that's why most hobbyists have, and generally use, the Discriminate mode for most or all of their detecting.

Best of success to you.

Monte

 

[allcav]

If you turn your disk all the way up, you will loose up to 20% depth some machines even more!