What am I doing wrong?

[dale2828]

Just got my Deus, and was excited ... until I started detecting. I went to an old 1850s house where I have found some early coins before with my other detector. I used the Basic 1 program, and tried basic 2 and played around with a few other programs. But I mostly stayed in Basic 1. I kept digging nails that IDd as 77-95 in conductivity. I am a coin hunter, and kept finding iron - tons of it. I even dug up an axehead that gave a clear signal and conduct of near 90. Also found an old horseshoe which cam in around 83. I did find 1 wheat penny and a few clads. I have had a Garrett and White's in the past, and could ID visually with a good audible signal, dig and usually know what I am getting. With the Deus, I assumed that a high number and clear signal meant that it would be silver or copper. I am new to all the programming stuff, so I stuck with the basics. What am I doing wrong?

Many thanks,

Dale

 

[jmann]

Im new also but i find my iron falsing comes in around 95 and up. I simply ignore thease signals. I bet some one with more knowledge will help u though. In basic 1 my silver hits between 86-89. Wish i could be more help.

 

[EtracTom-AdirondacksNY]

Good targets pretty much have a clean crisp sound with no buzz with them. Bad targets have a slight buzz to them and once you focus on that you will be able to tell the difference. I noticed it the first time I took it out and started to dig everything learning it and I noticed it and slowly trusted it and was digging way less bad targets. Now I can stop and really listen to a target hit and after a couple of sweeps over it know if it's good or bad before I even look at the numbers. I used the 2nd and third programs in the Programs mode. I think GM Power is 2 and Deus Fast is 3 and all I did is to change to 12KHZ. for coin hunting. Take it out and give a better listen when you come across a target and see if you can hear what I mean about that buzz around the target sound. Then look at ID and then dig and see if you were right about good or bad soon you will recognize it and be digging less trash targets.

 

[dale2828]

Thanks for your response. I will give that a try. Although, it is hard, because I do not want to miss a possible coin that has a nail next to it. I assume that signal will still be strong though. - Dale

 

[Deusdigger]

If you are in a lot of trash and you are worried about missing a coin, swing your coil low and slow and listen for a chirp and the make 2 to 3 inch wide swings over the good tone to find the target, don

 

[Dr.Deus]

If the coin is next to the nail the Deus will find it. It would go something like... Nail low buzz, coin high tone with awesome separation. i love this machine more and more i use it. im noticing that 2 tone is really nice in iron. low tone iron high tone possible good target. Like Jmann said sometimes deep iron falsing will come in at around 95 or higher just look at the depths horseshoe and listen for the iron buzz.

 

[dale2828]

Thanks for the responses. I guess what confuses me most is the conductivity numbers and discrimination. I dont understand why iron can read so high, and I dont understand why I pick up iron at all, given that I am discriminating it out. Why would it pick up iron at all? - Dale

 

[dale2828]

Getting to know the detector better today. Went out in my own yard, and found a 1916 Merc, several wheats, a 1929 chauffeur, a 1914 Dog tag, and some presidential tokens. Not bad! Surely felt like I was getting the feel of it. Thanks for all the help. I will keep playing around with the Deus.

Dale

 

[JBM]

Dont forget to use the horseshoe meter showing Iron to the left hand side and also ignore the very high and very low numbers.

Iron with a hole in it will fool detectors. and horseshoes fit this category.

The rest comes with practice and the day will come when you can test yourself with the machine.

You will get say a drinks can which gives off a particular sounds and you will not dig them in the future, but just for fun prove what you believe by unearthing the drinks can.

Its the same with certain other metals which will also show you certain numbers and in the end you will; only dig the good stuff !, well most of the time.

It took me 3 months to get my ears and brain tuned to the Deus that was 2 years ago,but we are now at one rather like learning a foreign language.

The Deus is a magic piece of kit and I wish they had been about when I was a young man not when a guy is in his 78th year. Jerry.

 

[Deusdigger]

78 years young and still detecting, Wow I totaly admire you Jerry. I wish you all the good finds!

 

[ananda]

78 years young and still detecting, Wow I totaly admire you Jerry. I wish you all the good finds!

+2
total respect jerry all my good vibes going out to you n your future wicked finds
watch those thumping can signles though sometimes they turn out to be very interesting

 

[EtracTom-AdirondacksNY]

Dale2828 it's because of "iron signal wrap around" you have it discriminated out like you have it set up but it wraps itself back around to the other high end of the conductivity scale and gives a sound off. Picture a broken ring where the ends are fairly close together.
This is why someone is also trying to NOTCH out from like 94-99 on the conductive scale so this won't happen so hopefully you won't hear it occurring.

On other machines you can do the same like the Etrac we discriminate out the first upper line almost all the way across the screen when running a pretty wide open discrimination pattern to prevent this from occurring.

The machines false off the odd shapes of the iron in the ground like corners and tips and heads of nails etc.

Hope this helped some as best as I understand it.

 

[dale2828]

Ah - yes, that makes sense - many thanks for explaining it! - Dale

 

[sugar]

after six months with the deus i have sold it and feel like i have been set free
i will concentrate on my etrac now for which i have gained much respect still lots to learn but i do feel i have wasted six months hope i will soon get back up there

 

[ramer]

after six months with the deus i have sold it and feel like i have been set free
i will concentrate on my etrac now for which i have gained much respect still lots to learn but i do feel i have wasted six months hope i will soon get back up there

Just curious, but was it about the Deus you didn't like? The reason I am asking is because I use these forums to learn the good, the bad, and the ugly of the various high end detectors. I know they all have their pros and cons. I just want to know what they are so in the future I can make a fairly intelligent choice for my next detector. I pay very little attention to reviews that only have good things to say and I pay very little attention to reviews that have only bad things to say.

 

[ramer]

Seems a lot of high end machine false positive on the edges of iron targets. Which begs the question: How can a detector claim to have good seperation when it thinks the edge of a piece of iron is a clad or silver target? To me good seperation means it will see the iron, not false positive on it and if there is a coin 2 inches away it will tell me. All my detectors false positive on the edges of iron so I have ceased digging those anymore. If there is really a good target there, then it is not my fault that I didn't dig it. It is just the short comings of the current high end machines. Remember, all you have are a bunch of sound waves bouncing all over the place and a computer trying to make sense of it all. Sometimes it does a good job and sometimes it doesn't.

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

Dale2828 it's because of "iron signal wrap around" you have it discriminated out like you have it set up but it wraps itself back around to the other high end of the conductivity scale and gives a sound off. Picture a broken ring where the ends are fairly close together.
This is why someone is also trying to NOTCH out from like 94-99 on the conductive scale so this won't happen so hopefully you won't hear it occurring.

On other machines you can do the same like the Etrac we discriminate out the first upper line almost all the way across the screen when running a pretty wide open discrimination pattern to prevent this from occurring.

The machines false off the odd shapes of the iron in the ground like corners and tips and heads of nails etc.

Hope this helped some as best as I understand it.

Great post here! Good info!

 

[EtracTom-AdirondacksNY]

Separation and iron falsing are 2 separate things.

Separation is being able to distinguish there is more than one target near another target or more than one other target nearby like in a coin spill.

Falsing all machines will do some of because of the odd shapes of iron objects, it comes with the territory and we have to learn how to deal with it and or understand what the the machine were using is telling us. It's not the machines fault. In the case of the Deus you get a buzz sound on the target hits that aren't good. Good targets give a nice clean sound to them I have found so far.. Comes with useage, and experience with a machine learning it's nuances. Most detectors are designed for round objects like coins and iron isn't round usually.