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What Detector next please?

spaceman41

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Hi everyone,can anyone tell me what would be the next detector to get after a coinmaster classic III ?.Whats the coinmaster GT like?.Are the new coinmasters any better than the old manual coinmasters like my Classic III ?.Sorry for all the questions but just wondered if the LCD screen is any more of a beneift than just the old dials switches etc?Happy hunting,Johnny
 
The GT is a good machine for a turn on and go with lots of options not found on other brands in the same price class. I just bought a DFX to see If I can master it's complicate settings so I can hit some old sites that have been heavily hunted and find the stuff that is below 8" which is just on the edge of the GT if you are lucky. The VDI numbers get rather iffy on targets below 6".
With the GT you are stuck with the Stock 9.5 spider coil which is kind of big for moderately trashy sites or the 4x6 which is to small for general hunting. NEL sold their line for the coinmaster when they first came out and the one i have work great and never comes off the machine. However, they now say they do not work on the GT and it was varied by my whites dealer when I had issues in the cold weather. He tried a new coil on a new GT and it over loaded at the default settings.

The 9 tones of the GT are real nice and after you get used to it a coin will be very obvious, something I don't like about the DFX in multitone mode.. the DFX has to many tones..
The GT display is very user friendly, took me about 30 hours to get comfy with it but I had never used any metal detector prior so you should have no problems what so ever.
Hope that helps!
 
spaceman41 said:
Hi everyone,can anyone tell me what would be the next detector to get after a coinmaster classic III ?
Nope, absolutely not able to do that. Nobody can tell you what to get, and many readers on this forum do not know what a Coinmaster Classic III is. Matter of fact, I'll even ask just to verify which model you have as it could be one of three you're referring to.

The 'original' Classic series from White's as called Coinmaster Classic and they were in a bigger control housing and powered by 3 9-volt batteries. There were two models that were Coinmaster Classic III's. The basic Coinmaster Classic III that came standard with a white colored 8" search coil, and the Classic III Plus which had altered circuitry and came standard with the Blue Max series 950 coil.

There was also the next series of Classics, generally referred to as the Classic SL series, and that Classic III came with the Blue Max 950, but those models used the smaller 'Slim-Line' XLT housings and were powered by the slide-in battery tray with 8-AA alkaline batteries.

Next, I note that you have only made 8 posts on the Findmall Forums, and I checked back and notice you have one of the earlier Coinmaster Classic III's. I also read where you have considered getting a Garrett Ace 350, and now the White's Coinmaster GT, and you're curious how it compares with what you are using currently. What you left out in your inquiry is what types of sites you hunt in the UK, and since they are most likely to be plowed fields [size=small](ploughed to you)[/size], what features you might be looking for on a detector upgrade? Also, what price range you are considering, should you have any buying limits?

I also noted in a prior post you made that you like the Coinmaster Classic III and plan to keep it, and in a way that's good. I think everyone who is an enthusiastic hobbyist or an experienced and avid detectorist ought to own at least two detectors that can compliment each other. That model does have some limitations, however, so I'd suggest keeping it for now, but as you upgrade and advance in this great sport, I'd suggest getting another detector, or two, to have a very complementary detector battery, and let that one go. Just my personal opinions, of course.


spaceman41 said:
Whats the coinmaster GT like?
Your detector is what we have long referred to as a "turn-on-and-go" models because it relies on a factory preset Ground Balance. The Coinmaster GT offers GB adjustment for various ground mineral environments using a Automated Ground Balance, and the operator has the options to either 'Lock' that GB setting for the site [size=small](my preference 95% of the time)[/size], are allow the detector to use the Auto-Trac® circuitry read 'read' the ground as you search and update the GB setting as you go.

Your unit has control knob adjustment, and the benefit is that you can often 'fine tune' the Discrimination level. With the Coin GT it employs as segmented Discrimination and you can accept or reject any lf the 9 Notch Disc. segments. Other adjustments general favor the Coin GT simply because it provides mode of them. Thus, if you are looking at being able to adjust a detector more, the Coin GT will let you, but toi me that doesn't really mean a lot because multi-adjustable detectors can often be a problem. Many detector users don't understand all of the adjustments and in an effort to make a good working set-up, the results are terrible. That's more true with models such as the White's XLT, DFX, VX3 and especially the V3i, but the Coin GT is more adjustable than your Classic III.

One thing they have in common is that you're pretty much limited to the stock 8" white Concentric coil your detector came with, and the Coin GT basically limits you to only 2 search coils from White's. The stock 9" Concentric 'spider' coil, or the 4X6 elliptical Double-D 'Shooter' coil.

Is your Coinmaster Classic III any better than a Coin GT? Actually, yes it is. The Coin GT is a modern digitally designed detector, and by design it has some difficulty trying to deal with a dense iron target situation with a coin present. For example, I can refer to my Nail Board performance Test, that I have been using for over twenty years, and your Classic III [size=small](if functioning properly)[/size] can easily Discriminate to just barely reject the 4 iron nails, then respond to a small US 1¢ coin placed in the #1 circle in the center.

The Coin GT, like other current Coinmasters and quite a few competitor's detectors, flunks that test. It will produce 0 to no more than maybe 3 reasonable hits out of 8 possible, while the Coinmaster Classic III will easily hit 7 or 8 out-of-8 times. I give it an edge in a dense iron nail infestation.


spaceman41 said:
Are the new coinmasters any better than the old manual coinmasters like my Classic III ?
Only the Coin GT, in my opinion, because it will give you the GB capability and a VDI numeric read-out on the display. It also has a quick-response like your Coinmaster Classic III, but the basic Coinmaster and Coinmaster Pro have a delayed-response that I, personally, find annoying.


spaceman41 said:
Sorry for all the questions but just wondered if the LCD screen is any more of a beneift than just the old dials switches etc?
The Coin GT touchpad system works fine, just like that on the MX5. The visual display information is also useful, for some people at least some of the time, but I never encourage anyone to rely whole-heartedly on any visual read-out.

Now, I can not tell you what detector to move up to as that is more of a personal pick and must fin in your budget. However, I will say that I personally use the White's MX5 as one of the detectors in my arsenal, and I also consider it to be the best value at the lowest suggested retail price I would purchase. I like 'simple' and while some people like models with a lot of adjustment features, like a DFX or V3i, I prefer to own and use detectors that are easier to adjust, simple to operate, and let me get into action in a hurry without a lot of tinkering.

My White's XLT is the most used model I have with a lot of adjustments, but I have my three custom programs which are very close in settings, and I do not adjust much, either. Only the adjustments that benefited me with improved performance. I also don't use my XLT all that often, it's just a long-time favorite that I like to have for occasional 'cruising' use in large open parks, etc. Instead, the bulk of my detecting is handled by models that might have some adjustment features, but they are simple to adjust and not too easy to mess up.

Several I own are listed below, but my primary-use models today that travel with me are my Nokta FORS CoRe, MXT All-Pro, MX5, and Tesoro Outlaw.

No direct answer, but maybe some suggestions to help you out. :shrug:

Monte
 
Go for the Whites M6 . I hear they are a real good machine for the money
or possibly the MX5 if your leaning towards a Whites unit. These seem to
be really good intermediate units that will definetley find Treasure... JMHO
after doing research on these units.
silverseeker 2
 
Big thanks to everyone on this subject :) a great help here as always is Monte!! your expertise on Whites is amazing! :)Thankyou ,I wish there was a Mod for multi tones on the Coinmaster Classic III ,is there?.Im guessing that when you do the nail tes and turn up the discrimination the tone becomes bitty and chattery when near the nails and clear and proper buzz when near the coin,I must try and have a practice,I will also look up the Coinmaster GT.i know this is a Whites forum but has anyone used a Minelab Xterra 30? and how does it compare to the Coinmaster GT?.I didnt know the Gt had numerical Id as well,is that fairly accurate to whats in the ground?.Ive seen on most youtube videos this accuracy as to what the item is goes wrong when the depth of the object increases.Happy hunting guys :)
 
The VID is fraily accurate down to about 6 inche.. starts to break up at that point but still very helpful
 
I am also from the UK,the trouble is no one can really give you a very accurate idea for another detector as you have left some vital information out,you mention what your current detector is but what about your budget its no good asking for advice and folks suggesting say a MXT if its way above your budget,also folks need information like do you detect on pasture,ploughed and rolled farm land or beach work or possibly a combination of all of them.

Going by some of the previous machine that you have mentioned like Seben or that type of machine i would think that you have just started out and on a very tight budget but of course i could well be reading it wrong although i dont think i am going by some of the questions that you have been asking.Please note i am try to help by asking these type of question then you will get a far better idea on what the next machine up the ladder would suit you.

You mention about screens and knobs and switches,by having a screen or more of knobs etc does not make a better detector infact you can buy the most expensive detector on the planet but it wont find you anymore than a switch on a go detector,in theory its has nothing to do with what brand or super duper detector you own its the skill of the detectorist,what i mean by this you could win the Euro lottery tonight and buy any detector going but tomorrow you wont find anymore just by owning that top of the range detector.

Monte is a detectorist that has learnt and fine tuned his detecting skills and techniques over nearly 50 years and he has basically tried most detectors going but its his skills that would allow him to still find some lovely finds with say a el-cheapo detector,so if you can provide some more details you will get far better suggestions i am alsomost certain of that.

Dont be afraid to sent me a PM if you would like some help,as i mentioned i do detect and from the UK as well,good luck in what ever you choose but just take it slowly but surely.
 
Cheers Mega B :) I understand what your saying and Im learning bit by bit,I have to admit,I actualy like my Coinmaster Classic III and with steady easy going swings it is pulling up some nice coins!! :).Budget is tight so to speak and I paid only £130 cash for this old coinmaster !! :).I need to play around with the sensitivity and the discrimination and soon I will get whats worth digging and whats not :).I will post more on this and thanks for the advice.I tend to hunt pasture and woodland if that helps,I go get to the beach every now and then as my friend lives in Dorset and my Aunty and uncle too and other friends in Cornwall too.I love beach detecting and I have done well on the beach and its a great little detector on the beach as it has black sand setting too :)best regards,Happy hunting :)
 
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