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What DON'T you like about the XP Deus?

CZconnoisseur

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Hey guys I will be in the market to buy another detector soon, and am a veteran of Fisher CZ5 and CZ6 machines. I like their ease of operation, sensitivity, ruggedness, and longevity. I've done extensive reading on both tweaking the CZ line of detectors with the 12" coil, but I think the Deus is a couple steps ahead of the CZ line. For a detector to be popular after 20 years of its release date is really saying something if you ask me - so in that respect the Deus will have to be one hell of a machine to be able to surpass the CZ 5 or CZ 6.

What I want to know is what DON'T you like about the XP Deus? I'm looking at probably getting a used Deus and then buying the new 11" round coil for a little extra depth. I also realize that the 11" coil is a new option, and doesn't have much field time collectively compared to older models. I want to get opinions from veteran Deus heavy users who have taken the time to learn their machines inside and out, much like I've done with the CZs. Thanks in advance and happy hunting!
 
we could all use some more depth and that will be covered by the new depth multiplier attachment that will be available before the end of the year so i heard.
this will allow you to turn the machine into a hoardhunter in minutes .to target large deep targets ,
apart from that i am not sure what else .
 
Had to think about this for a while, as there is not much I don't like about the Deus. Here goes my rant.
The charging clip for the coil is fragile, get a spare.
I find it to be finicky in very dry dirt, but more then pays you back in the damp stuff.
Thats it. 10 minutes, that is all I could think of.
 
I'd have to say my number one complaint ....
Is not having enough time to hunt with it!!!

HH
 
Thanks for the input about the charging clip...will have to get a spare when the time comes. I was looking for more "in field" complaints, such as performance in trashy areas vs other detectors. What I really want to know is how does your DEUS stack up to competitive detectors - both modern-day and older units. I've read the field tests where the DEUS seems to pull coins out of "hammered" sites and such.

Is anyone running the 11" round coil with the DEUS and having great success with it? How about an air test with this 11" coil - haven't seen any vids of that yet but I also know it's brand-new. THanks for the input so far - I think I know where my bonus check will go!!!
 
Hey CZ -- (Btw, is your username a reference to the line of detectors? Or do you really like fake stones? :) )

Things I don't love: As is often the case with people, their strengths are also often their weaknesses. In my experience, this has translated into a longer learning curve for me relative to any other detector I've used.
* Flexibility/programmability: The fact that so many things can be changed in so many ways, and there are interactions with some of the parameters, can cause pain, particularly early in the process. Many will say "just start with one of the preset programs and learn the basics". I did, and was initially very unhappy. Which then leads you to start screwing around in potentially random (and potentially counterproductive!) ways. I'm not kissing a$$, but Andy's book is very helpful with respect to better understanding what to adjust, when, why, and how it might impact other settings.
* Design choices: Similar to above, but (again -- for me -- so this is subjective) XP's choices to make this a relevant and valuable detector in the US and Europe means that they aren't catering to a US user's needs. I get it, but I think that contributed to some of my early difficulties with the presets. Almost ALL of my local hunting is done in trashy parks -- and trash as in pulltabs and bottlecaps rather than iron, though that certainly exists in some parks as well -- so it took some tweaking to get it really humming. Another choice is that for deep targets, as Andy puts it, rather than "guess" at what the target might be, the Deus may not show a target value. You can use other tools to try to assess whether you want to dig. But for some, that is a "flaw". For me, it made it harder early on to understand what it was saying, and what I might do about it.

I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Once you learn to harness the potential & power of this detector, I suspect that you will love it. And while it "just clicks" for some users early on, my highly unscientific anecdotal observation is that it seems to take some time and effort for many, and some folks seem to give up on it rather than invest the time & energy. Right now, I feel like I've learned how to drive a standard transmission after having driven automatic all my life. I'm at the point where I'm no longer burning out clutches, but I'm certainly not yet maximizing the horsepower, transmission, and handling this puppy is capable of! ;) At this point, when I struggle with it, I still believe it is due to my lack of understanding/experience rather than a true shortfall of the detector itself.

Just guessing, but I'd say that 90% of what I've found with the Deus I would have found with another one of my detectors, and in ~20% of the cases, it might have been easier to find with another detector (less time trying to discern what the Deus is really saying). BUT, I know that I'm also digging a lot fewer bottle caps (once I figured it out!) with the Deus than I would with my other detectors. And as I continue to understand and trust the Deus I suspect that the 20% will tail off to near zero.

Annoying things? They are small. Perhaps even petty of me to point out. I find that dirt/grass seem to get into the coil cover easier than some of my other detectors. So I have to remove the coil cover more frequently to clean it out. That leads me to believe that I'll need to get an extra coil cover NOW because you'll notice that the coil cover has the clip guides (and spacing!) needed to charge the coil. Yes, I should just consider it part of the cost of ownership, but it feels annoying to have to have an extra charging clip, an extra coil cover, etc. to ensure I can use the detector without interruption. The rubber cover on the controller (for the charging input and wired headphones) seems to pop open too easily. Told you it was all petty. :)

And to be clear, I love my Deus, and there are so many things to love about it.
Take care,
Rich
 
Thanks, Rich! I DO have occasional problems with finding bottlecaps and old bent nails with the CZ6, especially the aluminum caps that have been there for a while. However, the CZ for me still has a good ability to separate coins from nails...I've said this before in previous posts but it's one of the reasons I do fairly well in local "hunted out" areas. I knew that eventually there would come a detector that was several steps ahead of the CZ - but the entire decade of 2000-2010 was sheer disappointment! There is a White's dealer down the street and I remember taking my CZ5 in there doing comparison air tests and comparison iron, foil, tab masked-coins test and the CZ5 blew ALL of them away every time! I may have had better luck if I had learned the White's detectors more, but out of the box I just wasn't willing to spend several hundred bux just to find out...I'm sure almost everyone has a similar story with whatever detector they like.

But after watching all the videos of the DEUS I could find, and reading everyone's comments, it seems to me that quite possibly the DEUS could be that detector I have been waiting on for almost 10 years. Sure, every manufacturer will try to WOW! you with TDI and automatic GB, etc etc - but the proof is from the veteran users who go to sites they know intimately and make new, sometimes deeper finds.

Took a break from detecting for three years from 2010 to just two weeks ago due to a second child and work schedule. Got laid off last May, and when unemployment and savings just weren't paying the bills it was detector time! I live across from a 500-student elementary school built in 1950, and the one person I know hunts it uses a Garrett, but he doesn't really operate it that well and swings the coil 6" off the ground :rolleyes: Started hunting the older areas (it sits on 13 acres) but I was after quantity and not quality for several reasons. In three days of 3-4 hrs hunting each day, I found almost $19 in change which translates into about 450 targets. Not bad for getting back in the groove - no Garrett Pinpointer either - just stabbing with a screwdriver :surprised: But after watching the DEUS videos I see why people love pinpointers - and I think it's time to step up my game as well...

Fortunately, I landed a great job which starts Tuesday, and in no time there will be a DEUS with the 11" coil in my future! But getting back in the groove with dad's CZ6 took about half of one day - and I learned more tips my reading these pages which helped even more. For example, I NEVER truly ground balanced the CZ5 or CZ6 - I just set it on "5" - the manual GB preset for that detector - knowing that mineralized soil around here is nonexistent, and just started swinging. Gotta love the best of the analog detectors!

And no, my username has nothing to do with zirconium silicate! LOL!
 
CZ--

Congrats on the new job, and welcome back to detecting! I will say that I've never had a problem with digging nails with the Deus, even in the beginning. Of course I tried it in my yard first, and due to 2 remodels over the last 14 years, there are a ton of nails in my front yard, and many of them have rusted over time. Some rusted wire had me going for a while, but I quickly realized that using the pinpointing feature helped me discern that it was unlikely to be a desirable target. I dug it anyhow, but I would have been surprised had it not been junk. I still search my front yard periodically just to check if I find something I haven't found before. So I don't think you'll have an issue at all with nails.

Best wishes,
Rich
 
I'm fortunate to detect with any detector I want and I am happy to say the Deus is my main machine. Haven't found any faults yet. Well, maybe it's too light as I'm not building up my tricep and bicep anymore :lol: I could list a bunch of dislikes for other brand detectors in this price range though. XP definitely has a winner here with the Deus!
 
So if I decide to buy it used - is the warranty transferable? There seems to be a $400-$700 difference with buying a new DEUS vs trolling Ebay and the "for sale" section here and other forums to get a used one. And the money saved can go towards Andy's book, extra chargers and/or batteries, etc
 
rgalan2003 said:
IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND ITS ACCESORIOS TOO

It's less expensive than some and more than others. Seems like it fits in nicely between some of the popular models, but with better performance and far lighter weight.
 
NYNURSE said:
Had to think about this for a while, as there is not much I don't like about the Deus. Here goes my rant.
The charging clip for the coil is fragile, get a spare.
I find it to be finicky in very dry dirt, but more then pays you back in the damp stuff.
Thats it. 10 minutes, that is all I could think of.

My sentiments exactly.
 
I wish it had a wireless Pin pointer like the Sunday probe that works with your current program and discrimination.... Andy, you're the man to put a bug in their ear... We'll spoil it 60/40. :)
 
^I second that one! That means one could get a complete hunting package with detector, phones, and pinpointer in one package. If there was a way to incorporate a probe into a non-metal digging tool - that was sturdy enough for the job...THEN it would be a flawless package IMO!
 
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