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What is a deep faint signal

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capri_auto

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How do deep faint targets sound compared to a shallow one? I am finding lots of shallower targets but maybe be passing deeper ones thinking they are just false signals. Please explain what I should look for when searching for deeper coins and relics. Are the signals repeatable even when deep?

I'm hunting in ferrous, with a gain of 7. Smart screen with only nails blocked out, some times run all metal. Sense is ussualy around 25 auto. switch between deep and fast depending n trash.

People mension that deep signals maybe be faint, not sure what this means.
 
A faint target to me is one that I have to first ask myself " did I really hear that " ? Then I immediately put on the brakes and slowly put my coil over that spot repeatably and from different angles looking for the repeatability of the signal .Any other signals louder than that I classify as medium to high range . It sounds like you are using good settings but then there is the different strokes for different folks factor to consider .I'm sure you will get many different answers to this question .

H H ,
George
 
Most smaller targets or shallow targets still give you a louder tone. One of the reasons i dont hunt in gain 7 is weak signals sound like minerals that i might pass up. On 9 ive found, yes most targets within 7 inches are strong... but those weak tones are still louder than minerals or falsing. If you are swinging to fast you tend to miss those weaker signals. Take a look at your depth gauge on some of those falsing signals and rely on what you hear not what your see on the screen on really deep targets. Most of those diggible tones will repeat and most iron wont.... UNLESS its large iron. In that case size the target. I normally dont hunt in Ferr except when im in the fields. What i have found is in Ferr with almost no disc it releases much faster off of iron than in Cond. But if you are in a park.... rust and bottle caps drive me more nuts than iron bounce.

Dew
 
capri_auto said:
How do deep faint targets sound compared to a shallow one? I am finding lots of shallower targets but maybe be passing deeper ones thinking they are just false signals. Please explain what I should look for when searching for deeper coins and relics. Are the signals repeatable even when deep?

I'm hunting in ferrous, with a gain of 7. Smart screen with only nails blocked out, some times run all metal. Sense is ussualy around 25 auto. switch between deep and fast depending n trash.

People mension that deep signals maybe be faint, not sure what this means.
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set your detector up outside your house on a picnic table or similiar and with it on and noise canceled try waving different coins, one at a time about 12" from the coil moving in and out depending on what you hear. you will find a spot that you can barely hear the coin then move closer to the coil, thats about what you will hear. you can also go to youtube and see/hear from guys who made videos on this. I would do a reset also and go back to factory settings until you get the hang of it.
 
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How do I do that?

Thanks for the tips guys, I think I need to wait for a rain for some of the spots I'm hunting, this will deff help. The spot I hunted yesterday is powder dry top soil, only getting pennys up to 3 inches deep, the place dates to the late 1700's. The older stuff is there but I think the soil conditions arent friendly when dry. I may try increasing my gain a little to amplify those deeper signals. Rain is comming tomorrow!

I know its not the machine because I dug a small button at 8 inches after some rain in another spot, I think the explorer dosent like the dry dark soil. Anyone find the same results.

As for the stock settings I dont like conductive mode, I rather hear when something is non farous, and I dont like all that masking. I can handle all the tones, I just need to working on knowing a false signal vs. a deep coin. Time may help... but some wet ground and maybe higher gain may do the trick.
 
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Wet soil seems to help. Im not sure about your theory of more sensitivity is better. There are trade offs.... more soil passing under the coil as well as deep iron. That may in fact reduce your depth based on your settings. I noticed that even in the sand while in Florida there was a point when increased sensitivity made no difference. Sometimes there just isnt any coins to find.

Dew
 
When you log on you'll see the Control center to the right of your name. Click on Control Center and you'll see the settings to the left.
 
Hey There Capri,

Which model of Explorer do you have?

You can imitate a DEEP signal simply by lifting your coil away from the ground the next time you find a shallow signal. (or throw a quarter on the ground and swing your coil over it.) Presto - a deep signal. Keep in mind the coil or target must be moving for your Explorer to register the signal in search mode. As you lift your coil further away from the target you should be able to hear a change in the sound quality and intensity of the signal. How far away can you lift the coil before you completely loose the signal? Actual, in ground results will vary from 'air' testing, but it will help you as you learn the sounds.

Now try changing from Ferrous to Conductive and listen to the differences between typical targets like Foil (low conductor), a pull tab (mid-range conductor) to coins like Quarters (high conductor).

Something to remember. As you increase your GAIN setting towards maximum, you decrease the difference in the sound of a deep and shallow target. Some hunters like to have that deep, barely audible signal maxed out so they don't miss them. This makes all targets, deep and shallow sound much alike. Others want the deep target sound to modulate (a weakened, less distinct signal that becomes almost squeeky as it nears the very limits of your detector's range) so they can hear the difference between a deep and shallow target. To these hunters, a DEEP modulated signal is what they are listening for.

Once we know which of the Explorers you are using, we can offer much more specific information on settings that will be helpful. There is a book out there you can buy called "The Minelab Explorer and E-Trac Handbook" by Andy Sabish, that is very useful for explaining in detail each of the settings for each model and how they affect your hunting. I recommend it especially if you are new to the Minelab Explorers. The Minelab Explorers (and Sovereigns) are much different than other brands of detectors you may have used. Learning their unique abilities will help you as you learn and become proficient with your detector.

Somebody above recommended going over to Youtube and watching/listening to some hunts that other Explorer users have digitally recorded for your viewing pleasure. This is a great way to learn how these experienced hunters do it. Also, many Explorer Users post their hunts along with a video on this forum. Just look next to the the individual Topic. Posts followed by a little icon of a camera include 1 picture, Posts with two cameras have 2 or more pictures, Posts with an icon of a film strip have an attached "movie" for your viewing. These are the ones you are looking for. Go back through older posts and view these videos, especially the ones where the hunter lets you hear the sound they are listening to.


Good Luck,

Rich (Utah)
 
capri-auto, about the only way to get your question answered, is to have someone proficient at pulling out deeep whispers, to flag/mark a few, and have you go over them, and hear them. Watch how they swing, isolate, criss-cross, etc... See how they're doing that, and what sound it is that they're isolating (verses other flutters or sounds they're rejecting in the same vicinity).

Because the question you're asking, is basically asking us to describe a "sound" in "printed text". It simply can't be done. It has to be heard. No amount of printed text can describe a "sound". It would be like asking "please describe the note of C-minor in printed text". It can't be done. You have to hear it. I too pulled my hair out, and asked persons to describe what I was supposed to be listening for (because I could clearly see that they were tromping my whites on the deep turf silver). It wasn't till finally an explorer ace took me out to a particular park, which was prolific with 8" + deep wheats and silver, and flagged a few, that "The Lights Went On" in my head. Once he flagged a few to chase, and flagged a few others to pass (while telling me why-so in each case), then the lights went on.

It's either that, or you're going to have to dig 100's of targets yourself, to come to the same sound-lessons, by hard-knocks.
 
to the first 30 seconds of the video. My gain is set to 8 on my SE. The less gain you use, the fainter that signal is going to get. You've got to move your coil back and forth over your target...a la "Minelab Wiggle" technique.

Please ignore my falsing, bad X1 target probe. I was merely buying time, waiting for a Park Ranger to drive by me before I started to make my plug....and my probe was falsing terribly in the mineralized soil, each time I wiggled it. I got a new probe shortly after this hunt.

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

[video]http://www.vimeo.com/395886[/video]
 
Thanks Captn great video, I went out today and I am finding plenty of neat stuff, only one coin so far though (1905 IH). I know what a good signal sounds like and I dig them all.

I think I'm iron falsing a lot and it gets a little confusing. I know what it "should sound like" but now I need to learn what it "can sound like".

Any tips on reducing iron falsing?
 
how can you tell what is 6 inches. i swing the coil right on the ground i get a signal on the xs thats shows a little down on the depth meter and doesn't sound too loud in pinpoint. i get ready to dig and see what looks like a quarter right on top of the ground. its a quarter so why didn't the depth gauge peg all the way to the top.
 
I swing the coil touching the ground so if it's 6" the bar will be half filled, I use the Explorer II [should be same as XS in depth reading, though correct me if I'm wrong].
 
I found out the same thing too. I met up with Captn Se (Dan) at a park and watched him work his magic. He had me listen to a few deep hits. I could hear them but just barely (if I remember right, one of them I didn't even hear). We compared settings and he had his gain one number higher (think at that time he was at 7 and I was at 6). I was using zero discrimination and he was using very little. The big difference was that he was in Conductive tones and I was in ferrous. As soon as I switched to ferrous I could hear the targets.

It's also important to remember that just because you can hear a target that someone points out to you doesn't mean you would have found it on your own. Raise your coil just a fraction of an inch off the ground or be moving to fast and you'll walk right over the target without hearing it.

Now back to Captn Se, really think he's from another planet:detecting:. Think Dan also has SPOCK ears :laugh::laugh:
 
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