norman maassey
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bigsquid55 said:A shovel means a BIG hole to non-detectorists. Learn how to dig w/ a 6" blade digger!
To a WHOLE LOT OF non-detectorists a Detectror means A large hole.
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To a WHOLE LOT OF non-detectorists a Detectror means A large hole.
Critterhunter
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While I agree that some dirt fishers do things that reflect badly on our hobby, I most definitely don't. And I'm sure the majority on this forum don't, which is why the title of this thread kind of rubs me the wrong way.
But a discussion like this is good for newbies and the minority who don't practice good recovery techniques.
Certainly common sense tells most of us that a big old shovel isn't a good thing for non-detectorists to see you digging with in a public place, no matter how good the "technique" with it.
But a discussion like this is good for newbies and the minority who don't practice good recovery techniques.
Certainly common sense tells most of us that a big old shovel isn't a good thing for non-detectorists to see you digging with in a public place, no matter how good the "technique" with it.
GRAY GHOST
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Great topic, Critterhunter. I can certainly agree with most of what your're saying. My opinion directly falls in line with Marcomo's - down to the letter. My personal thanks to you for caring about our great hobby enough to expose and bring up important topics that will eventually affect us all in one way or another.
Some of you guys sound like a bunch of chicks fighting over a frat boy! 
I use a fold up buck knife and cut a very clean untraceable plug. I'm a golf course supt. so I'm used to taking plugs out of the ground to look at roots for disease or insects or just to look at the health of my grass. If I'm in a park like situation I always carry it closed so as not to attract unwanted attention and if I am to dig, I kind of huddle down over the plug to hide what I'm doing. I've had people come up to me and ask what are you looking for or what do you find with one of those thingys? No one has ever acted uncomfortable while I'm on my knees with a knife in the ground. I have never had the police called on me. Maybe I'm just lucky or I don't look suspicious, I don't know. Always be polite and above all honest.
Here's to dirt fishing in Kentucky!! Good luck and good hunting to all.
Joel
I use a fold up buck knife and cut a very clean untraceable plug. I'm a golf course supt. so I'm used to taking plugs out of the ground to look at roots for disease or insects or just to look at the health of my grass. If I'm in a park like situation I always carry it closed so as not to attract unwanted attention and if I am to dig, I kind of huddle down over the plug to hide what I'm doing. I've had people come up to me and ask what are you looking for or what do you find with one of those thingys? No one has ever acted uncomfortable while I'm on my knees with a knife in the ground. I have never had the police called on me. Maybe I'm just lucky or I don't look suspicious, I don't know. Always be polite and above all honest. Here's to dirt fishing in Kentucky!! Good luck and good hunting to all.
Joel
gilfordberry
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You are absolutely correct, Jeff. It's all, unfortunately though, perception. I have seen screwdriver recoveries that left the turf looking like a roto-tiller had hung up there. I've also seen shovel recoveries that left absolutely no trace. It just depends on how careful you are not to do damage of any kind, and to be sure you leave no indication of digging behind. Convincing a nervous bystander that you're doing no damage with your shovel, though, might be a large task.
Once when I was huntmaster at our local club hunt, I was asked if it was OK to use the Lesche digger to recover the planted coins. My reply: " I don't care if you use a backhoe, but if I come behind you and find you left evidence of a dig, you're off the field." It's very rare that you can find a trace of where I recovered a target, and I use the digger all the time (cut horseshoe size and shape plugs, flip over on no-cut side to recover the target). Another method I've seen used that is very clean is to cut a slit with a knife over the target then use a screwdriver to pop it out. Most of the time when the detectorist leaves a mess it's because they don't know how (or don't care) to do it right. Also, unless your name is Jimmy Sierra, you'd better be using a good pinpointer when you're in the turf. I don't care how good you can pinpoint with your "shooter" coil, the pinpointer is a tool that speeds up your recovery and helps you NOT to make a mess. While on this subject, I notice that pinpointers are NOT ALLOWED on some hunts (e.g., FMDAC). Are those people morons? Obviously, using a pinpointer helps you not to overdig. Sacrificing the hunt field just to make the hunt last longer (that's what they're doing) is bad for the hobby. If you're planning to metal detect in the grass, don't do it until you have a GOOD pinpointer. I have used a dozen different ones, but prefer the old Whites' Bullseye (not the II) because I just happened to get a "hot" one. (I have three others not nearly as good). I also have a couple of Bullseye II's and a couple Garrett Propointers. All good, but that hot Bullseye is better.
The real test on how good you are in target recovery is when you can't find where YOU dug five minutes ago because you didn't leave any evidence - even though you KNOW where you dug. Pass this test, you're a professional.
Once when I was huntmaster at our local club hunt, I was asked if it was OK to use the Lesche digger to recover the planted coins. My reply: " I don't care if you use a backhoe, but if I come behind you and find you left evidence of a dig, you're off the field." It's very rare that you can find a trace of where I recovered a target, and I use the digger all the time (cut horseshoe size and shape plugs, flip over on no-cut side to recover the target). Another method I've seen used that is very clean is to cut a slit with a knife over the target then use a screwdriver to pop it out. Most of the time when the detectorist leaves a mess it's because they don't know how (or don't care) to do it right. Also, unless your name is Jimmy Sierra, you'd better be using a good pinpointer when you're in the turf. I don't care how good you can pinpoint with your "shooter" coil, the pinpointer is a tool that speeds up your recovery and helps you NOT to make a mess. While on this subject, I notice that pinpointers are NOT ALLOWED on some hunts (e.g., FMDAC). Are those people morons? Obviously, using a pinpointer helps you not to overdig. Sacrificing the hunt field just to make the hunt last longer (that's what they're doing) is bad for the hobby. If you're planning to metal detect in the grass, don't do it until you have a GOOD pinpointer. I have used a dozen different ones, but prefer the old Whites' Bullseye (not the II) because I just happened to get a "hot" one. (I have three others not nearly as good). I also have a couple of Bullseye II's and a couple Garrett Propointers. All good, but that hot Bullseye is better.
The real test on how good you are in target recovery is when you can't find where YOU dug five minutes ago because you didn't leave any evidence - even though you KNOW where you dug. Pass this test, you're a professional.