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Wife gave me the go ahead on CTX....

JJ

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.....and I'm the one that said NO! She's noticed me eyeing this new fangled machine and jabbering on about all the cool features: waterproof, GPS, color screen, BNB (Bryce-N-a bottle) technology that sees around iron, and on and on. I made the conscious decision that I didn't need it. I can count on one hand the number of places to water hunt near me and still have quite a few fingers left over. A small leap in depth wouldn't help me as most of my digs are under watchful eyes and I already give up on digging super deep targets that I know are good out of respect for the watchful property owners. Most of my sites are not loaded with iron or pounded by others. I realized that my old EXP II has never let me down and is quite good to me and I can't really ask for more.

I'm checking out a new area this weekend and hope to post some finds. ( jinxed :rage:) If not, I hope others are able to get out with this mild cool off and get some hunting in. Meanwhile, I'll be more than happy swinging this reliable old technology machine with a big smile on my face. JJ
 
Good call! You'll just have to settle with the etrac. Just kidding...
As much as I like new toys, I'm with you in that my X2 has never failed me either. I figure the longer I have it, the more I learn.
Good luck this weekend!
 
Thanks exploregon. As much as I don't look forward to the day that my machine dies on me, I would give the etrac a good look only because of the way minelab quits servicing older units every few years and the EXP II's days are numbered on that list. I forgot to mention that I would not enjoy hunting as much without the sunray probe, so there is another good reason to stick with what I got. JJ
 
I am with you JJ.
Although the idea was exciting at first after seeing the initial problems people where having I had to put the idea on hold.
I would like to see one in action though no doubt.
The idea of something submersible to 10 feet ( is that correct?) is nice but, really the opportunity around here is pretty slim.

After all even though I have a new SE Pro I have yet to use it more then once. I keep telling myself it is my back-up when my II gives up the ghost.
I just have been ecstatic with the function and finds my XS-II has awarded me in the years since I ditched my old XS and bought an the XS-II.

There are times I really felt I could have used a bigger coil as things just might have been a tad out of reach so, I might purchase another bigger coil but, for right now the coils I have (6" 10.5, and PC) seem to be working good.

Well, good call IMHO but, I need to go so I can gather the tribe for a Rain Dance. :wiggle::wiggle::wiggle:
 
The Explorers....ANY of them...are WEAPONS!

An Explorer in the capable hands of someone who has taken the time to get to "know" it...will absolutely at least stand side-by-side with ANY and ALL top of the line machines...if not walk circles around it when it comes to deep turf silver...PERIOD!:thumbup:
 
Bryce-IL said:
The Explorers....ANY of them...are WEAPONS!

An Explorer in the capable hands of someone who has taken the time to get to "know" it...will absolutely at least stand side-by-side with ANY and ALL top of the line machines...if not walk circles around it when it comes to deep turf silver...PERIOD!:thumbup:

Amen to that !!

I'm pretty much in the same situation and thinking along the lines you are JJ and I'm sticking with my Explorer also , as a matter of fact with all these Explorer's being sold at great prices I snatched up another one as a backup . I like using the SunRay probe and I've got all the coils I'll ever need . Also for some strange perhaps antiquated reason I don't want a computer that plugs into a computer .
I've seen the CTX in action and IT IS a killer both in the dirt and in the wallet !!:lol:
 
Couldn't agree with Bryce more. I think to really see any gains in depth or seperation on any of the Minelabs (Explorer, Etrac, GT) all you need to do is pick up a good aftermarket coil to step up a notch. I feel these machines are so maxed out in terms of VLF field strength and technology that it all comes down to the coil. Stick a 12x10 or Ultimate on that thing for more depth and even improved separation in some respects over a smaller coil, or a 8x6 or X-5 on it for maxing out seperation to beyond belief compared to any machine using a larger coil, and I don't really see a need myself to upgrade. I can tell you that 12x10 has done wonders in both depth and separation for me and on head to head tests with a flagship model both are matched in depth and on badly masked coins. The proper coil can make what little depth or unmasking differences between the Minelabs pretty much a mute point, and it's a heck of a lot cheaper than buying another machine. It all comes down to coil choice for the situation and knowing your machine well. Those two things will make any of these Minelabs edge out another on any given day.
 
When you take an Explorer and add one or more of the optional coils (smaller or larger), and learn what it is telling you, there are not many targets that go undetected. The E-Trac edges it out in certain conditions thanks to the different algorithim and processor but again, optional coils and experience will get virtually anything you walk over.

Reading some of Bryce's coil comparison tests and looking at what he finds shows that the Explorer - even if it is more than a decade old - is still setting the bar other detectors are strivnig for . . . . .

Andy Sabisch
 
The Explorer II was my favorite .It was my last FBS machine to go to make way for the CTX.. I did just buy another Etrac at a good price to use with my left over small coils until the 06 shows up for the CTX....No regrets though, Living Large in CTX land... Biggest adjustment was not having the X-1 probe.. Now using a Uniprobe with good results.. wildherre

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Andy, agree. I feel about 90% of success is knowing a machine well but even just as important I feel and equal is having confidence. I've seen plenty of newbies to detecting over the years take a cheap machine and head off to a "hunted out" site that all the experts with expensive machines have long since given up on...Only to find out the guy made some great finds there. Why is that? Simply because he was excited, motivated, and didn't know any better so he had high expectations. Attitude is everything. I saw a recent special in which they had people taste wine from two bottles. One bottle had a fancy label and the other had a label that looked cheap. Surprisingly, almost all the people thought the wine with the fancy label tasted much better even though it was the exact same wine. I often wonder what would happen if you gave a guy the exact same machine he's been using for years but stuck a label on it that said "Turbo Charged", and told him it had enhanced depth and separation abilities. It would be real interesting to see how well he did at a site he's long ponded with his "old" machine. I feel attitude plays as much of a important role as experince with the machine. It makes people more willing to take chances on targets that they otherwise might pass too. When you have machines as capable as these Minelabs it's more about the man than the machine IMHO.
 
The old tech explorer is so far the best detector I have owned and can afford at this point. If you all recall years ago, the old tech high end analog detectors were hard to part with in favor of the new tech digitals. I loved the old compass and white's analogs like the compass scanner series or the white's 6000 series. But as time went by most of us "old timers" have moved on to the digital world by now. So we need to keep moving forward. If I had the money I would go out and buy a CTX and be happy until the next beast came along. Maybe we will live long enough to see x-ray vision down to 10 feet into the ground become a reality. Some of the youtube vids on the CTX should be a good selling point as well. There are some comparisons with the e-trac that are good and some of the guys hunting with the CTX have been saying the same old thing; the hunted out parks are like new territory.

If you can swing it money wise I would go with the GTX. Besides, it just looks so darn cool.
 
.IMHO you made the right choice bud...and I can speak from first hand experience. Just as many youtube videos out there that show you made the right choice as there are that show otherwise. I have a ctx and have compared 100's of signals with my buddy's explorer SE.
Im in no way downing the ctx because I do like it ok. Im one that always tries new toys:biggrin:
However at thiz point the explorer has spanked me on more than one occasion. For the price you cant beat 'em. What Bryce said and Andy Sabisch concurred hit the nail on the head.
 
Critterhunter said:
Couldn't agree with Bryce more. I think to really see any gains in depth or seperation on any of the Minelabs (Explorer, Etrac, GT) all you need to do is pick up a good aftermarket coil to step up a notch. I feel these machines are so maxed out in terms of VLF field strength and technology that it all comes down to the coil. Stick a 12x10 or Ultimate on that thing for more depth and even improved separation in some respects over a smaller coil, or a 8x6 or X-5 on it for maxing out seperation to beyond belief compared to any machine using a larger coil, and I don't really see a need myself to upgrade. I can tell you that 12x10 has done wonders in both depth and separation for me and on head to head tests with a flagship model both are matched in depth and on badly masked coins. The proper coil can make what little depth or unmasking differences between the Minelabs pretty much a mute point, and it's a heck of a lot cheaper than buying another machine. It all comes down to coil choice for the situation and knowing your machine well. Those two things will make any of these Minelabs edge out another on any given day.
I agree with everything Critterhunter posted. Getting a new coil can give added depth, better target separation and improved sensitivity. Add experience and you've upgraded the performance of your detector at a fraction of the cost. I personally like hunting with the 12x10 sef coil. It's a SUPER coil, as many of you already know, and a heck of a lot cheaper than a new detector.
 
I agree. If it wasn't for the 12x10 keeping up (so far) on badly masked or deep coins we've been comparing in the field, I would have long since upgraded to another machine. I don't like the feeling that I'm not hunting with just as good of a stick (in terms of depth or separation) than my circle of hunting friends I'm out with. It's all I could do to keep up with one of my friends in a day's finds even when he was using a lowly analog machine up until about a year or so ago, and I was using a Minelab. That machine he used for years probably got about half the depth of my Minelab, didn't have tone alerts, and was a sluggish machine that you had to watch the slow analog meter all the time while working through trash instead of just using your ears for high tones like you can on a Minelab.

And yet...on any given day he'd often match or beat me on silver finds for the day. Why? Two things...Attitude...As much of an avid hunter as I am, he still has that "I'm just happy to dig anything" type of newbie attitude that many of us grew out of after our first year or so in detecting. Second, while I've hunted for years, I've owned many machines in those years always looking for something better. I wanted to "sample the wine", so to speak. :biggrin: While he stuck with the same old machine and so had vastly more experience with it from years of using it to hunt and nothing else. That alone taught me that attitude and experience with ONE machine could make up for any better performance of another machine on any given day. Sure, there were many days I skunked him too, but it was never "easy". :biggrin:

Now he's using a flagship machine and I think he's slacked off a bit on digging the "iffy" stuff. Sort of a bad habit we all fall into. He's come to rely on the said abilities of that machine to sniff out the silver in an easy manner. Don't get me wrong, he's done well with it, but I honestly think he isn't doing any better in terms of number of silvers as he did with his old analog unit. Why? Because, while he still takes chances on iffy coin hits, I don't think he's taking as many chances on them as he used to and instead is relying on the machine to do some of that work. Good for me, because I was afraid I'd get my head handed to me on every single hunt now that he had a more capable machine than his old one. :biggrin:

Either way, I'm just saying...I have seen it with my own eyes and ears. A good aftermarket coil such as the 12x10 can make things pretty much a wash in terms of one Minelab and another. They are all excellent machines, so I feel that coil choice on any given day can make one edge out the other. But, combined with that proper coil choice for the site, of course your experience, knowledge of the machine, and your very attitude is what is going to make the difference. A guy with a cheap $100 Walmart detector can beat the most expensive machine if he's got the right attitude. Meaning...Just dig and worry about what it is when you hold it in your hand.

All that being said, I don't want to give you the impression that the bling is what is most important to me these days. The older I get the more it's about the quest it's self, but more importantly just being out doors and sharing good conversation with a few good friends. I honestly would rather hunt with them and get skunked for the day then hunt alone and find several good coins. There isn't as much "joy" in finding something if you can't also see it through the eyes of your hunting friends.

Often we'll call each other over to a potential silver so we can watch it being dug, and often we'll tell each other to be the one to pull that silver rim out of the dirt and see just what the other guy found. One day in the woods I dug a plug and saw a silver quarter. Had no idea what it was, but I left it in the hole and called my friend over to do the honors. I didn't watch the coin as he retreived it. I watched my friend's eyes and the expression on his face. His eyes got real big and he said "NO WAY!" I knew right then it was probably at least a seated quarter or better, and it turned out it was! All just based on his expression and eye's, and I can tell you that that meant more to me then the coin ever did.

Just sharing that experience was something I'll never forget. These days, when I think back to that day I found that coin, in mint condition except for a few dings at the edge ($1350 book value without the dings), I don't think of the coin. Instead, I think of that expression on my friend's face. That is what is priceless to me. I sold the coin when I needed the money, because the memory is the only thing I really want to hang onto.
 
Many many people still suck the silver with the explorers and refuse to change. That says something.
 
The CTX may work differently..May have a new screen..and be water proof..But that still doesn't make the Machine we have work any less than it did "Yesterday".... LOL
 
From what Ive seen my friend's do next to my exploder when comparing...I don't need one. Cool and light machine but performance is what Im after.
 
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