Just borrowed a Deus that has V4 loaded, used the deep program which is 2 tone as you know. Put the r/c in my pocket and dug only the high tones. Okay so far so good, dug no iron and any seen on the top sounded off with the iron grunt. However out of curiosity I watched the screen on a couple of targets only to notice that if the tone was good, the line on the screen went from bottom right to top left indicating iron. Both targets were shotties with nothing else in the hole. Anyone walked away from a target because of what the screen showed rather than what the tone indicated?
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X/Y screen V4 deep program.
- Thread starter GazinUK
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LTimedigger
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I probably have which is why I don't use the xy often anymore. Actually most iron will show crazy lines all over the screen, but some rust on the shotties probably made them show like this. The only time I will sometimes use the xy screen is if I'm doing an old homesite where theres deeply buried hardware that rings up like a copper or silver coin. The bar will show deep but the line will show its shallow which usually indicates a large deeply buried object. Tone wins.
I have not had mine long and still trying to learn it but with that being said I am not a novice at detecting just a novice with Deus . I started out with the Basic and still use it but I occasionally switch to the 9 program and did pretty well with it for the most part . Hunted an old swimming park that I hit many times with an AT Pro and others . Waked away with a nice little 10k Gold ring at about 8 inches using the XY screen but I did listen to the tone as well If the tone is crisp and tight I dig . even though I dug about 50 pull tab rings at over 7 inches they were iffy signals that I almost past and then something said are you sure you don't want to see what it was ? I catch myself more now doing this than before , am I wrong I don't know but I do know I have a lot of learning to do with the Deus and really like it just wish the made a small 6 inch coil for it for trashy areas I don't get to relic hunt much so Old house lots and old City Parks are where I hunt . anyway back to the XY screen I found the 6 deep to be more to my liking as It hits nice on deep small targets to me. What I have a problem with is second guessing myself on a lot of targets as the small gold ring rang up at 56 solid tone was scantly broken one way but solid the other way .
I use a Deus but although i do own a controller i 'never' use it for making a detecting dig/no dig decision,basically as i see it this machine is a audio based detector which is also far more reliable at greater depth than what a controller id will provide you.If you make a decision based 'solely' on what the screen tells you then you will miss the deeper more desirable silver hammered and roman coinage.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words, how about audio?
You can't really apply a number to a picture, but some good audio will speak volumes more about a target then a single number will.
I suppose the X/Y screen would be the same as a TID number, it's there, it's information but not great as the sole decider of weather to dig or not.
Most desirable targets are not textbook sounds, you don't need a Deus to find those.
The Deus is good at making noise, deep targets make wider responses in tone. If Jerry Lee Lewis swipes his hand down the keyboard, which note did he hit? Ah hah, now you get it.
It would be hard to recognize Great Balls of fire with a single noisey snapshot from an oscilloscope (X/Y Screen), or a single number (How about 73?...no? how about 57?)
The advantage of the Deus is to hear the actual sound the target makes, more then any other machine on the market that I am aware of.
Treat it like a microphone that listens for targets.
Once you start hitting targets you like, dig more that sound like that, even crappier ones that are similar.
That's really the fastest way to learn it.
I know what good targets can sound like, it's almost pointless beyond a reference or bench-test curiosity to try and describe a deep target as a number.
EDIT: This assumes full tones are being used.
You can't really apply a number to a picture, but some good audio will speak volumes more about a target then a single number will.
I suppose the X/Y screen would be the same as a TID number, it's there, it's information but not great as the sole decider of weather to dig or not.
Most desirable targets are not textbook sounds, you don't need a Deus to find those.
The Deus is good at making noise, deep targets make wider responses in tone. If Jerry Lee Lewis swipes his hand down the keyboard, which note did he hit? Ah hah, now you get it.
It would be hard to recognize Great Balls of fire with a single noisey snapshot from an oscilloscope (X/Y Screen), or a single number (How about 73?...no? how about 57?)
The advantage of the Deus is to hear the actual sound the target makes, more then any other machine on the market that I am aware of.
Treat it like a microphone that listens for targets.
Once you start hitting targets you like, dig more that sound like that, even crappier ones that are similar.
That's really the fastest way to learn it.
I know what good targets can sound like, it's almost pointless beyond a reference or bench-test curiosity to try and describe a deep target as a number.
EDIT: This assumes full tones are being used.
I don't want to ruffle any feathers here.
But if a user of Deus is using deep program and they are not digging any iron ever, they are probably leaving some good targets in the ground.
I can say this even about other program use on Deus, but deep program the odds for digging iron are higher.
As far as xy screen and using it to make dig no dig decsion.
Again if you use it to make your decsion you are leaving some nonferrous items in the ground.
I have recovered good nonferrous with shoddy xy screen data presented.
The xy screen is a guide only.
The tone presented, and the behavior of the tone are the real keys.
A lot of nonferrous the Deus actually detects ( provides tone/clues), are not always textbook,,,quite a latitude of what can be heard tonally.
Imo based on useage the elliptical HF coil extends this latitude for tone provided on challenged nonferrous targets.
But if a user of Deus is using deep program and they are not digging any iron ever, they are probably leaving some good targets in the ground.
I can say this even about other program use on Deus, but deep program the odds for digging iron are higher.
As far as xy screen and using it to make dig no dig decsion.
Again if you use it to make your decsion you are leaving some nonferrous items in the ground.
I have recovered good nonferrous with shoddy xy screen data presented.
The xy screen is a guide only.
The tone presented, and the behavior of the tone are the real keys.
A lot of nonferrous the Deus actually detects ( provides tone/clues), are not always textbook,,,quite a latitude of what can be heard tonally.
Imo based on useage the elliptical HF coil extends this latitude for tone provided on challenged nonferrous targets.
Tony (Michigan)
New member
squirrel1 said:
Exactly, squirrel1. I used to go by the XY screen and used to love it until I found out I was going too much by what it showed rather than my hearing. The XY screen is an excellent tool. But like a hammer being a tool, you can still hit your thumb.
CT Todd
Well-known member
The XY screen. I have done a lot of testing with this screen and what I find is that it locks up very nicely on coins. The problem I have with it is that it shows bad target for everything else. I like relics. If you hunt the XY screen I really do feel that you will miss out on a lot of targets that you would have been glad to have.
Making dig or not decisions based on TID or the screen is a mistake. Your shovel is by far the best discriminator.
Take in account where you are
Size of target
Clarity of tone
TID if you must
Dig
Making dig or not decisions based on TID or the screen is a mistake. Your shovel is by far the best discriminator.
Take in account where you are
Size of target
Clarity of tone
TID if you must
Dig