The New Garrett VORTEX VX9 Just Got A Whole Lot Better!

[mntnflyr4fun]

Garret owns the intellectual property purchased from whites. All the patents, designs and software.

I believe that is what Garrett has done. Built the V3i waterproof and 1/3 the original weight. A longer lasting battery. They are now Garretts' after acquiring the White's line.
Garretts' has in my opinion got the copyright on the Whites' line?
Who would have the copyright on Whites'? Garrett?
With software Garrett is beginning to fill the screen in like Whites' V3i?
It is close to being the same thing the V3i is with 'waterproof' 1/3 the original weight, and with a lithion ion battery a much longer lasting battery.
I believe they have resurrected the V3i? Have you seen others in trouble for copyright infringement? Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and do not proclaim to be. Whites should have the copyright? Thus I believe they resurrected the V3i? I believe Garrett is resurrecting the Whites' line? A person can do a lot with software? There are a few things the Garrett Vortex VX9 does not have the V3i has. I believe they can add all of it with software. Maybe not! There are a lot of things the Vortex has that the V3i does not have.

Garret owns all the intellectual property as purchased from Whites. All the patents, designs and software. They will enhance their own products with features and capailities spirited out of the Whites best detector lines to enhance their own branded products and become a US owned titan of industry once again. Whites had great software and designs, just made the transition to lightweight machines to late to save themselves.

 

[John-Edmonton]

If i buy a new detector from Garretts, will it be up dated from them. I seen where some pople have trouble up dating it. I am not very good with that kind of shit. Thanks flintstone.

Any dealer you purchase it from can help you with it.

 

[Flintstone]

Any dealer you purchase it from can help you with it.

Thanks John.

 

[Rick(ND)]

Thanks John.

I would like to know also as I downloaded it from the site and when I go to open it is where I have a problem , maybe it has something to do with my computer or some program not there.

 

[jmaclen]

Garret owns the intellectual property purchased from whites. All the patents, designs and software.

Garret owns all the intellectual property as purchased from Whites. All the patents, designs and software. They will enhance their own products with features and capailities spirited out of the Whites best detector lines to enhance their own branded products and become a US owned titan of industry once again. Whites had great software and designs, just made the transition to lightweight machines to late to save themselves.

I have used the Vortex VX9, tested it for over a week. I own a Whites VX3 and have owned the V3i and DFX, all of the MXT models including the MX5 and MX7, I own a Whites Goldmaster 24k and I have owned the Whites TDI and TDI SL.

It's a fact that Garrett released their own version of the Whites Goldmaster 24K. It is still one of the premier gold prospecting VLFs in the world. Garrett thought so too and they reworked it to their own specifications and released it as the Garrett Goldmaster 24K. It still has some Whites markings in honor of Whites.

Folks, that is the extent of what Garrett has done so far with all of the patents and intellectual property that they obtained from buying Whites.

Like I said, I have used and tested the Vortex. It is a Garrett detector through and through and bears no resemblance to any Whites VLF simultaneous multi frequency detector that I have owned or used. That's a good thing in my opinion since the V3i, VX3 and DFX while feeling, looking and often detecting like a Cadillac, they don't detect half as well as the Vortex where I detect even with it's current software imperfections. The Vortex target ID accuracy on a wide range of target sizes and conductivities are actually superior to the V3i, VX3 and DFX. So is the Vortex target separation, ability to handle EMI and bad mineralized ground conditions. The Vortex is fully waterproof, has better and more accessible controls, better wireless audio, and way better ergonomics and the Vortex series is online software updateable and upgradable which is something Whites promised for the end users but never followed through on with the VX series. Don't get me wrong, I love my VX3 and still use it sometimes. But if you asked me to choose between the two for most types of detecting, I would choose the Vortex because I saw enough of what it can potentially do while I was using it compared to my VX3.

The same can be said for the Garrett Axiom compared to the Whites pulse induction detectors. The Axiom is an improvement on the Infinium and ATX and thankfully bears no resemblance to any of Whites pulse induction detectors which were single channel ground balance with very limited sensitivity to a wide range and size of targets compared to the dual channel Axiom that can easily hit sub 0.1 gram targets and even smaller, has better ground and EMI handling, has more overall depth and is one of the most ergonomic pulse induction detectors ever made. Plus, it is a really well made, well balanced and beautifully designed detector.

Whites made some great detectors during the time they were open, that's for sure. Garrett has made some great detectors too and even though the Vortex has had some birthing and growing pains, it is still a very good detector that Garrett has built from scratch, not from a Whites design.

 

[John-Edmonton]

I have used the Vortex VX9, tested it for over a week. I own a Whites VX3 and have owned the V3i and DFX, all of the MXT models including the MX5 and MX7, I own a Whites Goldmaster 24k and I have owned the Whites TDI and TDI SL.

It's a fact that Garrett released their own version of the Whites Goldmaster 24K. It is still one of the premier gold prospecting VLFs in the world. Garrett thought so too and they reworked it to their own specifications and released it as the Garrett Goldmaster 24K. It still has some Whites markings in honor of Whites.

Folks, that is the extent of what Garrett has done so far with all of the patents and intellectual property that they obtained from buying Whites.

Like I said, I have used and tested the Vortex. It is a Garrett detector through and through and bears no resemblance to any Whites VLF simultaneous multi frequency detector that I have owned or used. That's a good thing in my opinion since the V3i, VX3 and DFX while feeling, looking and often detecting like a Cadillac, they don't detect half as well as the Vortex where I detect even with it's current software imperfections. The Vortex target ID accuracy on a wide range of target sizes and conductivities are actually superior to the V3i, VX3 and DFX. So is the Vortex target separation, ability to handle EMI and bad mineralized ground conditions. The Vortex is fully waterproof, has better and more accessible controls, better wireless audio, and way better ergonomics and the Vortex series is online software updateable and upgradable which is something Whites promised for the end users but never followed through on with the VX series. Don't get me wrong, I love my VX3 and still use it sometimes. But if you asked me to choose between the two for most types of detecting, I would choose the Vortex because I saw enough of what it can potentially do while I was using it compared to my VX3.

The same can be said for the Garrett Axiom compared to the Whites pulse induction detectors. The Axiom is an improvement on the Infinium and ATX and thankfully bears no resemblance to any of Whites pulse induction detectors which were single channel ground balance with very limited sensitivity to a wide range and size of targets compared to the dual channel Axiom that can easily hit sub 0.1 gram targets and even smaller, has better ground and EMI handling, has more overall depth and is one of the most ergonomic pulse induction detectors ever made. Plus, it is a really well made, well balanced and beautifully designed detector.

Whites made some great detectors during the time they were open, that's for sure. Garrett has made some great detectors too and even though the Vortex has had some birthing and growing pains, it is still a very good detector that Garrett has built from scratch, not from a Whites design.

Thanks for clearing up some confusion out there regarding the Vortex line comparison to the V3i, VX3.

 

[Odanscoils]

Garret owns the intellectual property purchased from whites. All the patents, designs and software.

Garret owns all the intellectual property as purchased from Whites. All the patents, designs and software. They will enhance their own products with features and capailities spirited out of the Whites best detector lines to enhance their own branded products and become a US owned titan of industry once again. Whites had great software and designs, just made the transition to lightweight machines to late to save themselves.

Id sure Love an updated ultra light V3i.
Waterproof even submersible.

 

[mntnflyr4fun]

I have used the Vortex VX9, tested it for over a week. I own a Whites VX3 and have owned the V3i and DFX, all of the MXT models including the MX5 and MX7, I own a Whites Goldmaster 24k and I have owned the Whites TDI and TDI SL.

It's a fact that Garrett released their own version of the Whites Goldmaster 24K. It is still one of the premier gold prospecting VLFs in the world. Garrett thought so too and they reworked it to their own specifications and released it as the Garrett Goldmaster 24K. It still has some Whites markings in honor of Whites.

Folks, that is the extent of what Garrett has done so far with all of the patents and intellectual property that they obtained from buying Whites.

Like I said, I have used and tested the Vortex. It is a Garrett detector through and through and bears no resemblance to any Whites VLF simultaneous multi frequency detector that I have owned or used. That's a good thing in my opinion since the V3i, VX3 and DFX while feeling, looking and often detecting like a Cadillac, they don't detect half as well as the Vortex where I detect even with it's current software imperfections. The Vortex target ID accuracy on a wide range of target sizes and conductivities are actually superior to the V3i, VX3 and DFX. So is the Vortex target separation, ability to handle EMI and bad mineralized ground conditions. The Vortex is fully waterproof, has better and more accessible controls, better wireless audio, and way better ergonomics and the Vortex series is online software updateable and upgradable which is something Whites promised for the end users but never followed through on with the VX series. Don't get me wrong, I love my VX3 and still use it sometimes. But if you asked me to choose between the two for most types of detecting, I would choose the Vortex because I saw enough of what it can potentially do while I was using it compared to my VX3.

The same can be said for the Garrett Axiom compared to the Whites pulse induction detectors. The Axiom is an improvement on the Infinium and ATX and thankfully bears no resemblance to any of Whites pulse induction detectors which were single channel ground balance with very limited sensitivity to a wide range and size of targets compared to the dual channel Axiom that can easily hit sub 0.1 gram targets and even smaller, has better ground and EMI handling, has more overall depth and is one of the most ergonomic pulse induction detectors ever made. Plus, it is a really well made, well balanced and beautifully designed detector.

Whites made some great detectors during the time they were open, that's for sure. Garrett has made some great detectors too and even though the Vortex has had some birthing and growing pains, it is still a very good detector that Garrett has built from scratch, not from a Whites design.

I owned and eventually sold a company manufacturing scanning and optimization systems used for sensing and evaluating random materials for creating custom and standard sized products, truly a great comparison to metal detecting, (use a sensor, evaluate the feedback, make a decision, use lots of interactive parameters to control the result). We eventually were purchased by a competitor.

That was 15 years or so ago. Today that companies products incorporate the best software features from our products enhancing what they already had. Does't look like our product, feel like our product etc., but the software that you cannot see is there working to make their products better. Took them time to extract and integrate their optimizers with our optimizer features, but Software which is a major component of any similar technology (like metal detecting is not re-written from the ground up with each new iteration, there are features(techniques) that are used over and over as products get developed, at least up until some new radical shift in the technology paradigm takes place, (thnk MSDOS to Windows) which by the way still has as DOS shell after all these years running in the background....... this is one of the reasons the Minelab products have similar look and feel to them.

You can bet Garrett didn't buy Whites for one single detector to rebrand, they didn't buy them to put them out of business as they were doing that themselves, they are not keeping any other model alive and/so there is no aftermarket parts and service to provide cash flow to pay for the acquisition, twhat hey bought was the intellectual property, and you can be assureed that their engineers are disecting the best of the Whites lines to see just how they did things and there are going to be many kernals of software that migrate from Whites platforms that work their way into future machines bearing the Garrett brand and you will never know they are there, but they will be ..... Whites lives on.... ;-)

 

[jmaclen]

You can bet Garrett didn't buy Whites for one single detector to rebrand, they didn't buy them to put them out of business as they were doing that themselves, they are not keeping any other model alive and/so there is no aftermarket parts and service to provide cash flow to pay for the acquisition, twhat hey bought was the intellectual property, and you can be assureed that their engineers are disecting the best of the Whites lines to see just how they did things and there are going to be many kernals of software that migrate from Whites platforms that work their way into future machines bearing the Garrett brand and you will never know they are there, but they will be ..... Whites lives on.... ;-)

I am not assured of anything, especially that Garrett's engineers are dissecting the best of Whites intellectual property in order to incorporate it into a future Garrett detector. It's possible but I am not betting on it.

Keeping that intellectual property out of the hands of Asian copy cat competitors is something I would bet on as one reason Garrett made that purchase decision.

From the Garrett purchase of Whites announcement:
"The transaction includes White’s trademarks, intellectual property, tooling, and other assets. It does not include White’s real estate in Oregon or Scotland. Garrett intends to rigorously defend all of White’s trademarks, patents, and other IP wherever infringement may occur."

Whites are done whether I or anyone likes it or not. The recent online auction of what was leftover in their Oregon factory is proof of that.

Whites does not live on except in the Garrett/Whites Goldmaster 24K which filled a space in Garrett's gold prospecting VLF product catalog that was definitely lacking prior to their purchase of Whites. Hopefully sales of that detector have already recouped much of Garrett's purchase price of Whites.