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1861 Fatty Injun and need help on HUGE button

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Goes4ever

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went back to the field where I got my large cent monday and this is the toughest field I have ever hunted. Unreal amounts of iron, you just have to creep so slow thru it to get a non ferrous signal and they are few and far between. 1.5 hour hunt tonight I found a harmonic reed piece, 2 more shotgun shells, couple pieces of lead, 1861 fatty injun, the wheat which is beside the large flat button to show the size. It is HUGE.....front is really corroded and I do not see any markings at all on front or back, any clue to the age or anything about it?
 
You have a Naval Officers One Piece, Striaght, Full Shanked Button. It is a Gold "Gilted" COAT Button. Most likely 1760 - 1810. It was most likely made by Scoville Company. Yours doe have a design visible on the front. You can soak it in "Extra" Virgin Olive Oil. This will bring out the design, not hurt the gold Gilting and remove the dirt as well. BUT it "MUST" be "EXTRA" virgin olive oil. Regular olive oil will not do it. I don't know why but speculate it ha something to do with the loss of acidity during the refinement process of the oil. Your button appears to be of older vintage and I'd be very surprise if it was not at least 1770's. This is given to the thichness of the guilting. the size of the button itself and the designI can see on it's Front. I am lucky in that I have a group of guys here that are "NUTS" about Buttons.You have it, they know it, literally al the way back to the 1400's. I kid you not. They can even tell you the life story of guy who made the button.!!!!!!!!!1 Your button because of it's condition, size and guilting quantity was most likely worn by a Naval Officer. Also because of the thickness of the Gilting It was most likely a Captain or Commander that wore that button. It's value in current condition is about $80.00. If the details were clearer it would be worth up to $300. It is the fact that the Shank on the back is FULL and STRAIGHT that increases it's value. Most of the shanks are missing and / or bent. The one you have is REAL SWEET.!!!! Also it absolutely does not date any newer than 1810 - 1820. By 1820 they were gone except a few stragglers pieces.In or by 1820. All buttons made here in the Colonies were made in the 2 Peice style.The one piece button by then had fallen by the wayside.Anyway, I hope this helps. PEACE:RONB

Very Nice Piece. That would take 1st Place in any Club Contest.
REMEMBER : The Shank Is VERY important. Ok.

PS : I'm now loooking at it in close detail. I believe the head runs from the NE to the SW in the picture. You can see the very roug outline of the head with a Neptunes Sceptre of some type above and behind the head.You can see the outlines of the wings spread out in a Federal Eagle Pattern witth the Talons extending to the SW. The talons appear to be holding one or more Proclamation Banners. i can almost gaurantee you that it is in fact a 1700's Naval Officer's Button. Now that I see some of the details I'd say your button when cleaned is worth about $400 - $600 range. As is it's still easily worth $120 - $140. CONGRATULATIONS. VERY NICE PIECE.!!!!!!!!
 
I don't see anything on it...lol
can u post a picture of a similar one your speaking of? also there is no backmark at all. I am told on other sites it is a tombac button
 
Nice finds and button! Hope it cleans up well for you! May God Bless! Amen! :angel: Ma Betty
 
The button certainly looks older, but hard to tell with no back mark. Nice find though!
 
Hey ... I Was Out Hunting The Other Day and Found a Fatty Too and It Was Me! :rofl: My Fatty Don't Look as Good as Your Fatty but It's a Lot More Valuable (in God's Eyes Anyway). I Looked In The Miror This Morning And Said, "Who Are You & How Did You Get In Here?" :rofl: I Almost Dialed 911! :rofl:
 
Well you got humor, Martin, and I know what you mean! It is more difficult to lose weight at our ages because of our illnesses and poor immune systems makes us tired, I'm saying me that is! Another person has moved into my body and he is Old Arthuritis, an old woman stares back at me from the mirror....and I wonder where that person of youth went and where all these aches and pains came about and my forgetfulness is too easy! Oh well, we are still breathing and living and serving the Lord and that is what counts! May God Bless you and give you and others strength in Jesus' joy to endure and overcome all things! Amen....even a more protruding figure! :lol: :angel: Ma Betty
 
What is it that makes it a fatty? That button is a monster! You must have thought you found a Silver Dollar whan you swept it.

Jeff
 
TURNMASTER said:
What is it that makes it a fatty? That button is a monster! You must have thought you found a Silver Dollar whan you swept it.

Jeff
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well the button is just a wee bit smaller than a half dollar!

from 1859 to part of 1864 indians were made of a copper/nickel composition, (88% copper and 12% nickel) and they are thicker or "fatter"

therefore the nickname fatty indian.

in 1864 the composition changed to bronze of 95% copper and 5% tin and zinc
 
Hey thanks, now I know.
 
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