dirtfisher
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Yes and I have also heard that the government has now banned "heavy metals" in the circuit boards and the companies are trying to come up with new circuit designs and materials. Is there any truth to this?
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2007 "State of the Industry Message"
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Yes and I have also heard that the government has now banned "heavy metals" in the circuit boards and the companies are trying to come up with new circuit designs and materials. Is there any truth to this?You certainly pegged that ..Our kids including(Mine) want nothing doing with the out door activities that require a little work.
Should we have insisted they get out and do something ("Sure") but we did not.
I have tried and tried getting mine involved to no avail..........................................In fact they think I am crazy for doing it.
Maybe just maybe some day when they are older it will entice them !!
The detector companies need to realize their base is dwindling. If just one company would go direct too all the kids it would be a very profitable measure on their part. Kids have the spending power and the demographs prove it.... The only reason so many detectors are being sold now is the changes in technology over the last few years. There does not seem as many changes in tech as color and shape on todays models.. Even up to and redesigning the outer shells with the same thing inside.Fisher changed screens and added icons for center on CZ's now it's not pull tab it's a star design...We have also been convinced we need a different model for different hunting......Well the fact is they all detect metal targets.Are some bells and whistles more convenient "Sure" do they do any thing different..not really..they find metal objects in and on top of the ground. The computer has helped in the design and the workings..Now thats about as far as it can go for the present..whats next..Pictures, images, voice, Silver only finds, gold only who knows...........
Should we have insisted they get out and do something ("Sure") but we did not.
I have tried and tried getting mine involved to no avail..........................................In fact they think I am crazy for doing it.
Maybe just maybe some day when they are older it will entice them !!
The detector companies need to realize their base is dwindling. If just one company would go direct too all the kids it would be a very profitable measure on their part. Kids have the spending power and the demographs prove it.... The only reason so many detectors are being sold now is the changes in technology over the last few years. There does not seem as many changes in tech as color and shape on todays models.. Even up to and redesigning the outer shells with the same thing inside.Fisher changed screens and added icons for center on CZ's now it's not pull tab it's a star design...We have also been convinced we need a different model for different hunting......Well the fact is they all detect metal targets.Are some bells and whistles more convenient "Sure" do they do any thing different..not really..they find metal objects in and on top of the ground. The computer has helped in the design and the workings..Now thats about as far as it can go for the present..whats next..Pictures, images, voice, Silver only finds, gold only who knows...........
trust me!..i don't say these things to be negative!..i am a positive person overall,however we must face the fact that improvements,if any will be slower to come to market as a result of the current economy,and of course,in MY opinion,a shrinking market place...the motivating factor here is money,and companies are NOT in business to give anyone a break...that being said,unless the manufacturers CAN develop a break through technology,then i believe detectors have reached their zenith in technology,and the hobby will have to stand on it's current merits!
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j.t.
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j.t.
It looks like the only manufacturer that is TRYING to move forward with new ideas and detectors is First Texas. They have had a bad rap selling through Walmart and such. But the acquisition of Fisher will give them a way to produce better higher priced machines to sell to the pro's. As long as they don't start selling Fisher's at Walmart they will regain their place in the market.
Whites - 20 years with really the same technology. They got rid of the best series they ever made - The Classics. If they would have tuned up the IDX and got rid of that big box with 8 batteries they would be selling tons of them still.
Tesoro - For me still a "beep dig" detector. Their TID machines do not have a great following. But will be around for many years.
Garrett - Moved in a great direction with a reasonably priced powerful Ace series. To me most of the other units are 20 year technology like Whites. They are also heavy. Garrett proved that a great powerful light weight detector can be built. If they build on the Ace series they will still have a knock out!
This is just what I think. Your mileage may vary.....
Whites - 20 years with really the same technology. They got rid of the best series they ever made - The Classics. If they would have tuned up the IDX and got rid of that big box with 8 batteries they would be selling tons of them still.
Tesoro - For me still a "beep dig" detector. Their TID machines do not have a great following. But will be around for many years.
Garrett - Moved in a great direction with a reasonably priced powerful Ace series. To me most of the other units are 20 year technology like Whites. They are also heavy. Garrett proved that a great powerful light weight detector can be built. If they build on the Ace series they will still have a knock out!
This is just what I think. Your mileage may vary.....
Dirtfisher,
I said it above in my post. I like you see a large void in the Whites line up. Namely the Classics. The ID, IDX did the job well. No programming - no nothing! If they would have made the IDX smaller, lighter, 4 AA batteries and added a manual GB. Well they would be selling them like crazy today.
I believe Troy detectors and Tesoro were tied together instead of Fisher.
I said it above in my post. I like you see a large void in the Whites line up. Namely the Classics. The ID, IDX did the job well. No programming - no nothing! If they would have made the IDX smaller, lighter, 4 AA batteries and added a manual GB. Well they would be selling them like crazy today.
I believe Troy detectors and Tesoro were tied together instead of Fisher.
dirtfisher
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Hey khouse, You are right on man! 
Those Classics will never be outdone. I still have my IDX Pro. One problem I see in "updating" units with Whites is the accessory coils issues. They keep changes frequencies on the new stuff (M6 for instance) so the coils I use on my IDX wont work on it so... I DONT WANT IT! Does that make sense? I know they "upped" the frequency to help find "small gold items" but my 6.59 khz IDX finds small gold just fine! I agree with you totally. Whites needs to come out with a re-designed Classic IDX with all the features it could have had to begin with! This is why people send these units to Mr. Bill for modification. Dont get me wrong. Whites is STILL my favorite company. Bounty Hunter is second behind them with me. Thanks for posting.
Dirtfisher,
Yes I added GB and threshold to my classic 3. Then for some stupid reason I sold it? I had an IDX for a couple of years then was even more stupid and sold it. I can tell you that when you open a Classic SL series detector up you could raise a family in all the wasted space in there. They could have made it 1/3 the size if they redesigned it for 4 AA batteries and used a smaller mother board. Hey I was talking to a dealer that has been in business for over 40 years. He told me that years ago in several meetings with the Whites engineers and R&D. The question of weight would always come up. He said that the major dealers asked for smaller and lighter machines. He said Whites would tell them that they wouldn't sell. He went on to say that they said that they would have to add lead weight to them to give them value. How stupid was that? If the mobile phone companies can make tiny cell phones with tons of options then the metal detector industry can do the same with detectors. I used to have blinders on and was brand loyal for over 18 years. But the last 5 years I decided to look at all the detector companies as equals. I have to say that ALL companies make great detectors. Also paying a high price for the "top of the line" detectors can be disappointing. I have found the low to mid range detectors has plenty of bells a whistles for hunting successfully. I will continue trying some of the new units that are coming out as well. It's pretty fun trying different machines. There's a lot of nice beepers out there if you keep an open mind.
Yes I added GB and threshold to my classic 3. Then for some stupid reason I sold it? I had an IDX for a couple of years then was even more stupid and sold it. I can tell you that when you open a Classic SL series detector up you could raise a family in all the wasted space in there. They could have made it 1/3 the size if they redesigned it for 4 AA batteries and used a smaller mother board. Hey I was talking to a dealer that has been in business for over 40 years. He told me that years ago in several meetings with the Whites engineers and R&D. The question of weight would always come up. He said that the major dealers asked for smaller and lighter machines. He said Whites would tell them that they wouldn't sell. He went on to say that they said that they would have to add lead weight to them to give them value. How stupid was that? If the mobile phone companies can make tiny cell phones with tons of options then the metal detector industry can do the same with detectors. I used to have blinders on and was brand loyal for over 18 years. But the last 5 years I decided to look at all the detector companies as equals. I have to say that ALL companies make great detectors. Also paying a high price for the "top of the line" detectors can be disappointing. I have found the low to mid range detectors has plenty of bells a whistles for hunting successfully. I will continue trying some of the new units that are coming out as well. It's pretty fun trying different machines. There's a lot of nice beepers out there if you keep an open mind.
[quote jmaryt]true!..new regulations regarding "heavy metals!"....this is one of the reasons the great xl-pro is not being made any more!
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Not being Savvy to many things, Detecting Technology one of them..Your statement "Regulations regarding heavy metal" and this being one of the reasons the great xl-pro no longer made.
Can you clarify what you meant...... (By heavy Metal) and the regulation involving the X-LPro........hate sounding stupid "But" guess I am.
I would appreciate clarification and thank you in advance.
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j.t.[/quote]
Not being Savvy to many things, Detecting Technology one of them..Your statement "Regulations regarding heavy metal" and this being one of the reasons the great xl-pro no longer made.
Can you clarify what you meant...... (By heavy Metal) and the regulation involving the X-LPro........hate sounding stupid "But" guess I am.
I would appreciate clarification and thank you in advance.
Uncle Willy,
Have you read this?:
http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/recentindex.htm
9.2" just to get down to 1962! I'm looking for coins a lot older than 1962!
I have seen another article of his where he states that the soil in New England is much more stable and older coins there are found nearer the to the surface. Perhaps you are located in New England?
Have you read this?:
http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/recentindex.htm
9.2" just to get down to 1962! I'm looking for coins a lot older than 1962!
I have seen another article of his where he states that the soil in New England is much more stable and older coins there are found nearer the to the surface. Perhaps you are located in New England?
I respect the information about the sink rate etc. But I have to disagree on 9.2 or 9.5 inches as an average to reach 1962. I'm in the Midwest and that's where I hunt the most. I have found old and new targets from on top of the ground down to 8 inches. Just about 1.5 months ago I got a nice zinc signal. It was very strong and repeatable -even double beeped. I knew I was going to recover a cent right on top of the dirt. To my amazement using my fingers less than 1/2 inch was an Indian head. I think the real issue is not depth. I like a good target separation and ID of targets 8 inches or less. Now if I was a relic hunter then a deep sinking "beep and dig" machine would be the ticket.
Having been at this for along time and handled most every brand and many models there has not been much change in a very long time. Features, bells, and whistles, sure but no actual break through in technology.
In ten years people will still be talking about the same problems, the same complaints and wondering why there are no better machines just as they were ten years ago.
The mfr's want people buying new tweaked machines and arguing about the pro's and con's of different machines. It promotes sales and development costs are minimal.
My guess is a lab somewhere is a detector with modern technology that looks like an I-Phone attached to a stick and a coil. Only the public will never see it.
In ten years people will still be talking about the same problems, the same complaints and wondering why there are no better machines just as they were ten years ago.
The mfr's want people buying new tweaked machines and arguing about the pro's and con's of different machines. It promotes sales and development costs are minimal.
My guess is a lab somewhere is a detector with modern technology that looks like an I-Phone attached to a stick and a coil. Only the public will never see it.
All that really happened was a move to lead free solder and the 6000 faced competition from a Chinese made clone that sold in the U.K. for $200. Fair depth on it but plastic control box and a much slower recovery speed.
Re machines not changing for years the Troy X5 sales were destroyed in Europe by XP offering more depth and sensitivity for less money and an all metal mode with multi tone discrimination.
Red Heat's new machines offered light weight with depth and extreme sensitivity and far better iron see through than other motion machines.
The company that produced the 'Splice' non battery/non solar power detector for use in the third world found that each radio frequency gave a different response to each different metal which could lead to perfect discrimination in the near future.
Full range discrimination, rather than just ferrous/non ferrous) being obtained from P.I.'s at last.
Normal metal detection depths being exceeded by the use of figure of eight coils as used on the Nexus range.
Further development of the Nasa detector which air tested 28 inches on a quarter two or three years back.
Detectorists in the ex Soviet block increasing in number by 400% in the last five years which has led to the number of detector manufacturers doubling and high power hoard hunting P.I.'s coming on the market at half the previous price, many with one or more methods of iron rejection. Using some out of the box thinking they have used the Whites Classic design combined with Troy X5 coils to increase depth of detection by 2 to 4 inches.
External Pre Amp gain to add performance to the Minelab Sovereigns.
Internal booster for the T2 and F75 models to increase depth by 2 inches.
There's plenty going on with it seeming to be only the older established detector companies dragging their feet and re-boxing their old models year after year.
Brian
Re machines not changing for years the Troy X5 sales were destroyed in Europe by XP offering more depth and sensitivity for less money and an all metal mode with multi tone discrimination.
Red Heat's new machines offered light weight with depth and extreme sensitivity and far better iron see through than other motion machines.
The company that produced the 'Splice' non battery/non solar power detector for use in the third world found that each radio frequency gave a different response to each different metal which could lead to perfect discrimination in the near future.
Full range discrimination, rather than just ferrous/non ferrous) being obtained from P.I.'s at last.
Normal metal detection depths being exceeded by the use of figure of eight coils as used on the Nexus range.
Further development of the Nasa detector which air tested 28 inches on a quarter two or three years back.
Detectorists in the ex Soviet block increasing in number by 400% in the last five years which has led to the number of detector manufacturers doubling and high power hoard hunting P.I.'s coming on the market at half the previous price, many with one or more methods of iron rejection. Using some out of the box thinking they have used the Whites Classic design combined with Troy X5 coils to increase depth of detection by 2 to 4 inches.
External Pre Amp gain to add performance to the Minelab Sovereigns.
Internal booster for the T2 and F75 models to increase depth by 2 inches.
There's plenty going on with it seeming to be only the older established detector companies dragging their feet and re-boxing their old models year after year.
Brian
Again if you look beyond the U.S., companies do offer machines built on a reduced scale for children (Viking). C-Scope have their Bill Wyman Signature detector. Designed to offer good performance in a cheap lightweight package thats easy to use. Stem adjusts so it can be handled by a small child or if fully extended an adult. To appeal to the youngsters its in a funky white and purple colour scheme.
Again the European detector base is expanding with more young people coming in at the bottom than are dropping off at the top.
Brian
Again the European detector base is expanding with more young people coming in at the bottom than are dropping off at the top.
Brian
Bill, so you think Garrett maybe one of the first companies to come out with a new line.I find that new Bounty Hunter Platinum interesting,but it may end up like the Prizm with a restricted network the new unit will be competitive with other BH dealer's
perhaps at some point,the u.s manufacturers should "brainstorm" with the europeans to help benefit all of us "fanatics"..don't hold your breath though,because it's a money game,and if a breakthrough does materialize,it will NOT be given away by the europeans!..count on it!