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Hey all, I have been hunting with monotone and disc set at 1 for awhile now, seems to be pretty good at picking out good targets in my bad soil with tons of trash and infested with iron...it gives me a pretty good and accurate picture of what is happening down there very well or so it seems to me.
Actually, I have done really well hunting scoured sites by me and many others this way so this is a favorite setup for me as is hunting in all metal.
However, jm tn gave some advice to the W. Va. Bros. about hunting on 0 disc and they have all used it with good results.
I also read a post from rocket Tom about hunting at a site in a plot scientifically cleaned out with diggers and screens at higher disc, several more targets showing up at 1 disc and then even some more showed up out of nowhere when the disc is turned down to 0.
Might be something to this and I hate to be left out of the loop on anything so I have been practicing using this for my last few hunts because I am getting bored hunting mostly one specific park and good targets are getting sparse.
The problem for me and my F70 is the noise...just that slight change from 1 to 0 kicks it into high gear noise-wise, sites that EMI is not an issue on 1 are way different on 0 at my regular sense and thresh settings like 80-85 and -2 or -3...plus I hunt using SL boost more often than not.
Now hunting in all metal is pretty easy for me even with some pumped up noisy settings.
Not at first, but after a few years using this mode I got used to it, comfortable with and good at it and especially successful hunting in heavy iron with my crazy super high blast-through technique.
Now I can listen to this pretty easily for long periods but this 0 disc even on monotone is a different kind of noise...something that I am just not used to but with practice I can usually adapt to anything if I think it will be useful which this method just might turn out to be.
Back to my local park yesterday, my personal laboratory I use to test out any new settings at some spots I know I have hit uncountable times from many directions with different detectors and many coils under different soil conditions from desert dry to super wet.
If I change settings and find any good targets I have missed in the past in certain areas this is good data for me, the big experimenter and tweaker that I am.
I walked through an entrance area I practically live at, have found some great things in the past but now there are very good signals left, thanks to me, only iron and a few trash types I have not made an effort to dig as of yet and tried 0 disc but only got iron signals and a couple of trashy ones that were super jumpy and turned out to be can slaw.
Could be more good ones but I will come back another time and I walked through heading to another smaller site that would be a better test for these new settings.
On the way I hit a decent signal that wasn't iron, could have been trash but the numbers and behavior told me I better dig this one and it turned out to be this little zinc heart and cross combo piece of jewelry.
Junk, but at least it was jewelry so I am happy.
Not super deep but up averaging is the rule here on anything that is not super shallow and this thing at 3" that hovered in the high zinc to dime range turned into lower zinc low 50's out of the ground.
Then I made it over to the site where I really wanted to see these new settings at work.
A relatively small patch of grass in front of an iron bench next to a long sidewalk that runs around the perimeter of this part of the park.
Seems to be an area plenty of people sat around in the past because I have dug a pretty good amount of clad out of here, some quarter, nickels and dimes and tons of copper cents and zincolns...maybe kids play here while their parents sat on that bench or whatever, and I think people hung out here way before that sidewalk and bench were here in this 90 year old plus park.
I have also cleaned out a ton of beaver tail tabs, can slaw, foil and a few bigger can pieces out of here over time because of masking problems and because this spot is my prime experimental site so the cleaner I get it the better for setting experiments like this.
I still get surprised here from time to time, just a few weeks ago I found a tax token here which shocked me, but it is pretty clean with hardly any signals left but iron and a few really jumpy signals that I am pretty sure are pieces of trash I have not dug yet.
I swung over this thing with the 10" elliptical concentric I have been using for the last few weeks.
Settings were disc 0, 1 tone, sense at 75, thresh at -3 and DE speed because SL boost was just a little too much for me right now.
Noisy yea, jumpy sure but as always when my coil ran over a real target it stopped and gave me some pretty good indicators, pretty stable iron numbers over iron and a range of higher numbers that didn't drop to iron over the few pieces of trash that are still here.
I dug a couple pieces of trash, left the iron in the ground because I was looking for at least one good coin signal in the higher range of high 80's to low 90's and very few but better yet no drops to lower areas or iron, common here on most coins of all kinds in this crazy up-averaging devil soil.
It surprised the heck out of me when I got one, a very good coin signal in a spot I must have been over many, many times before and missed.
Same good solid tone and same high range of numbers from two directions with no lower drops at all at 4".
I am kicking myself now that I didn't switch to all metal or up the disc to 1 to see if I could hit it again with the same behavior which I suspect might have happened, I was in experimental mode after all, but this good signal got me so excited and I have found a silver dime or two in this area before so not thinking I just bent over and dug it.
Turns out there was a coin down there at that depth and not just any coin but a 53 wheat...a great find for me anytime I come across one.
Zincolns are ok, copper cents are better but a wheatie to me is more special and a bit rarer find even though I do find my share.
Now I don't know why I didn't dig this thing before as many times as I have been over this area in the past.
Could be I never got my coil over it but I don't think so because I have done some gridding here, maybe I hit it from just the right angle this time but it was the same from two different directions so again I think not but who knows.
At this point I am assuming it was the settings, I might have hit it before but maybe these settings made a difference in letting me notice it better or easier or something.
My swing speed didn't change from normal so I don't think it was that either and I hit this area with this coil before too among others on the F70 and three other detectors and several coils but something different happened for me this time that helped me recover this now very obvious target with this signal.
I continued to hunt around this area but changed the thresh to -6 and that quieted it down a lot more, most signals seemed to sound a bit more solid and I was able to pick out a few more obvious targets from the trash and iron around this area...it got way easier.
I know low thresh supposedly cuts out the smaller targets as you get lower but I have found ridiculously tiny things at -5 and -6 thresh settings before so I figure coins and rings should not be a problem.
A really wrecked up eaten away zincoln popped up here too, another surprise find I should have dug in the past but didn't.
Then I moved on to another area a little further away from this place trying out these settings and dug a few more hidden clad coins.
I played with the speed a little switching back and forth between DE and SL on several targets, mostly jumpy trash.
Not much difference except I did notice on most if the little deeper ones SL had higher numbers than DE by about a 5-10 number range.
Don't know why but maybe SL was gathering in and sensing some deeper iron or more of the iron that is infused into most of my soil or even just the normal mineralization caused it and up-averaged which is common around here as you get deeper.
More experimenting to do but this really does not matter to me, I usually dig signals that aren't iron and stay within a consistent range of numbers from two ways even if they are considered too jumpy by most others no matter where those numbers seem to be.
The only signals I usually get that are considered normal by most hunting in normal soil are iron with usually no more than a 1-3 number jump but even that isn't in stone.
I also get lots of high range coin numbers here but with consistent drops to iron which I learned are rusted iron nails and junk 99.9% of the time.
That is just part of the new language I had to learn to hunt around here deeper, nothing is super stable like back in Kansas soil but they still have repeatable behavior I have noticed whether it is coins in the higher range of numbers, flat buttons in the lower zinc range or anything else.
Really super jumpy stuff is usually trash that I rarely dig unless I am cleaning out a site, I dug enough in the past learning this stuff to have confidence in that right or wrong as I might actually be, but non iron signals that I consider stable using these new parameters are all fair game because they could be anything at numbers you would not expect...like three very old flat buttons and an old French coin I have dug in recent weeks among others that were all way different in the ground than when air tested out of it.
As I hunted I got used to the different kind of noise I was hearing at 0 disc a little as time went on, not exactly comfortable or at ease with it yet but all the other noisy settings I like and use like all metal and everything else took time so I have patience and as always practice makes perfect.
Now time to switch to other coils and see what all this does...I think the big DD coil can work but the smaller DD sniper would be even better with maybe even a bit more noticeable and stable signals so stay tuned as I continue to experiment...especially you WV62 as you are just learning about this little wonder.
From what I have seen so far all of this bodes well...this will probably be another arrow in my quiver of tricks I will eventually have to use in all kinds of sites in the very challenging dirt I am currently hunting.
Actually, I have done really well hunting scoured sites by me and many others this way so this is a favorite setup for me as is hunting in all metal.
However, jm tn gave some advice to the W. Va. Bros. about hunting on 0 disc and they have all used it with good results.
I also read a post from rocket Tom about hunting at a site in a plot scientifically cleaned out with diggers and screens at higher disc, several more targets showing up at 1 disc and then even some more showed up out of nowhere when the disc is turned down to 0.
Might be something to this and I hate to be left out of the loop on anything so I have been practicing using this for my last few hunts because I am getting bored hunting mostly one specific park and good targets are getting sparse.
The problem for me and my F70 is the noise...just that slight change from 1 to 0 kicks it into high gear noise-wise, sites that EMI is not an issue on 1 are way different on 0 at my regular sense and thresh settings like 80-85 and -2 or -3...plus I hunt using SL boost more often than not.
Now hunting in all metal is pretty easy for me even with some pumped up noisy settings.
Not at first, but after a few years using this mode I got used to it, comfortable with and good at it and especially successful hunting in heavy iron with my crazy super high blast-through technique.
Now I can listen to this pretty easily for long periods but this 0 disc even on monotone is a different kind of noise...something that I am just not used to but with practice I can usually adapt to anything if I think it will be useful which this method just might turn out to be.
Back to my local park yesterday, my personal laboratory I use to test out any new settings at some spots I know I have hit uncountable times from many directions with different detectors and many coils under different soil conditions from desert dry to super wet.
If I change settings and find any good targets I have missed in the past in certain areas this is good data for me, the big experimenter and tweaker that I am.
I walked through an entrance area I practically live at, have found some great things in the past but now there are very good signals left, thanks to me, only iron and a few trash types I have not made an effort to dig as of yet and tried 0 disc but only got iron signals and a couple of trashy ones that were super jumpy and turned out to be can slaw.
Could be more good ones but I will come back another time and I walked through heading to another smaller site that would be a better test for these new settings.
On the way I hit a decent signal that wasn't iron, could have been trash but the numbers and behavior told me I better dig this one and it turned out to be this little zinc heart and cross combo piece of jewelry.
Junk, but at least it was jewelry so I am happy.
Not super deep but up averaging is the rule here on anything that is not super shallow and this thing at 3" that hovered in the high zinc to dime range turned into lower zinc low 50's out of the ground.
Then I made it over to the site where I really wanted to see these new settings at work.
A relatively small patch of grass in front of an iron bench next to a long sidewalk that runs around the perimeter of this part of the park.
Seems to be an area plenty of people sat around in the past because I have dug a pretty good amount of clad out of here, some quarter, nickels and dimes and tons of copper cents and zincolns...maybe kids play here while their parents sat on that bench or whatever, and I think people hung out here way before that sidewalk and bench were here in this 90 year old plus park.
I have also cleaned out a ton of beaver tail tabs, can slaw, foil and a few bigger can pieces out of here over time because of masking problems and because this spot is my prime experimental site so the cleaner I get it the better for setting experiments like this.
I still get surprised here from time to time, just a few weeks ago I found a tax token here which shocked me, but it is pretty clean with hardly any signals left but iron and a few really jumpy signals that I am pretty sure are pieces of trash I have not dug yet.
I swung over this thing with the 10" elliptical concentric I have been using for the last few weeks.
Settings were disc 0, 1 tone, sense at 75, thresh at -3 and DE speed because SL boost was just a little too much for me right now.
Noisy yea, jumpy sure but as always when my coil ran over a real target it stopped and gave me some pretty good indicators, pretty stable iron numbers over iron and a range of higher numbers that didn't drop to iron over the few pieces of trash that are still here.
I dug a couple pieces of trash, left the iron in the ground because I was looking for at least one good coin signal in the higher range of high 80's to low 90's and very few but better yet no drops to lower areas or iron, common here on most coins of all kinds in this crazy up-averaging devil soil.
It surprised the heck out of me when I got one, a very good coin signal in a spot I must have been over many, many times before and missed.
Same good solid tone and same high range of numbers from two directions with no lower drops at all at 4".
I am kicking myself now that I didn't switch to all metal or up the disc to 1 to see if I could hit it again with the same behavior which I suspect might have happened, I was in experimental mode after all, but this good signal got me so excited and I have found a silver dime or two in this area before so not thinking I just bent over and dug it.
Turns out there was a coin down there at that depth and not just any coin but a 53 wheat...a great find for me anytime I come across one.
Zincolns are ok, copper cents are better but a wheatie to me is more special and a bit rarer find even though I do find my share.
Now I don't know why I didn't dig this thing before as many times as I have been over this area in the past.
Could be I never got my coil over it but I don't think so because I have done some gridding here, maybe I hit it from just the right angle this time but it was the same from two different directions so again I think not but who knows.
At this point I am assuming it was the settings, I might have hit it before but maybe these settings made a difference in letting me notice it better or easier or something.
My swing speed didn't change from normal so I don't think it was that either and I hit this area with this coil before too among others on the F70 and three other detectors and several coils but something different happened for me this time that helped me recover this now very obvious target with this signal.
I continued to hunt around this area but changed the thresh to -6 and that quieted it down a lot more, most signals seemed to sound a bit more solid and I was able to pick out a few more obvious targets from the trash and iron around this area...it got way easier.
I know low thresh supposedly cuts out the smaller targets as you get lower but I have found ridiculously tiny things at -5 and -6 thresh settings before so I figure coins and rings should not be a problem.
A really wrecked up eaten away zincoln popped up here too, another surprise find I should have dug in the past but didn't.
Then I moved on to another area a little further away from this place trying out these settings and dug a few more hidden clad coins.
I played with the speed a little switching back and forth between DE and SL on several targets, mostly jumpy trash.
Not much difference except I did notice on most if the little deeper ones SL had higher numbers than DE by about a 5-10 number range.
Don't know why but maybe SL was gathering in and sensing some deeper iron or more of the iron that is infused into most of my soil or even just the normal mineralization caused it and up-averaged which is common around here as you get deeper.
More experimenting to do but this really does not matter to me, I usually dig signals that aren't iron and stay within a consistent range of numbers from two ways even if they are considered too jumpy by most others no matter where those numbers seem to be.
The only signals I usually get that are considered normal by most hunting in normal soil are iron with usually no more than a 1-3 number jump but even that isn't in stone.
I also get lots of high range coin numbers here but with consistent drops to iron which I learned are rusted iron nails and junk 99.9% of the time.
That is just part of the new language I had to learn to hunt around here deeper, nothing is super stable like back in Kansas soil but they still have repeatable behavior I have noticed whether it is coins in the higher range of numbers, flat buttons in the lower zinc range or anything else.
Really super jumpy stuff is usually trash that I rarely dig unless I am cleaning out a site, I dug enough in the past learning this stuff to have confidence in that right or wrong as I might actually be, but non iron signals that I consider stable using these new parameters are all fair game because they could be anything at numbers you would not expect...like three very old flat buttons and an old French coin I have dug in recent weeks among others that were all way different in the ground than when air tested out of it.
As I hunted I got used to the different kind of noise I was hearing at 0 disc a little as time went on, not exactly comfortable or at ease with it yet but all the other noisy settings I like and use like all metal and everything else took time so I have patience and as always practice makes perfect.
Now time to switch to other coils and see what all this does...I think the big DD coil can work but the smaller DD sniper would be even better with maybe even a bit more noticeable and stable signals so stay tuned as I continue to experiment...especially you WV62 as you are just learning about this little wonder.
From what I have seen so far all of this bodes well...this will probably be another arrow in my quiver of tricks I will eventually have to use in all kinds of sites in the very challenging dirt I am currently hunting.
