bustercrab
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One has a GB and the other does not...Other then this,are these machines equal in performance.
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5900 DI Pro SL & 6000 XL PRO QUESTION
- Thread starter bustercrab
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[size=medium]The 5900 Di Pro SL, like the 6000 Di Pro SL, went through a few revisions. The main difference between them was the manual Ground Balance Vs Auto-Trac, but they had other circuitry differences. The final 6000 Di Pro SL circuitry was termed 'CB' for Composite Board. The last 5900 Di Pro SL's later incorporated the 'CB' board circuitry. Both models were powered by 4 C-cell batteries.
Due to their weight and balance com pared with the 'popular' trend of the XLT and Classic SL series, many devoted users wanted a lighter-weight versions. The 6000 DI Pro SL electronics just didn't fit in the smaller housing, so the engineers set out to develop a new metal detector with the goal to make it smaller and lighter, but retain the excellent in-the-field performance of the former model. It was a success!
The 6000 Pro XL (later renamed XL Pro), my opinion, matched or exceeded their goals because it displays all the well loved depth of detection and great audio of the former 5900/6000 Di Pro SL series, and perhaps a little better in some respects. I'd love to see the XL Pro brought back into production, but would also like to have a manually GB'ed model even more than one with Auto-Trac.
The performance of this whole class of models, referring to the latter XB & CB versions of the 5900 & 6000 DI Pro SL models and the 6000 Pro XL/XL Pro detectors, have been, are, and will be considered some of the best ever produced. All quite similar in performance.
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Due to their weight and balance com pared with the 'popular' trend of the XLT and Classic SL series, many devoted users wanted a lighter-weight versions. The 6000 DI Pro SL electronics just didn't fit in the smaller housing, so the engineers set out to develop a new metal detector with the goal to make it smaller and lighter, but retain the excellent in-the-field performance of the former model. It was a success!
The 6000 Pro XL (later renamed XL Pro), my opinion, matched or exceeded their goals because it displays all the well loved depth of detection and great audio of the former 5900/6000 Di Pro SL series, and perhaps a little better in some respects. I'd love to see the XL Pro brought back into production, but would also like to have a manually GB'ed model even more than one with Auto-Trac.
The performance of this whole class of models, referring to the latter XB & CB versions of the 5900 & 6000 DI Pro SL models and the 6000 Pro XL/XL Pro detectors, have been, are, and will be considered some of the best ever produced. All quite similar in performance.
Monte[/size]
[size=medium]I am with you with regard to manual GB. I would take manual control over anything else.
As for White's Auto-Trac and other manufacturers attempts to achieve a good, functional setting. I feel White's Auto-Trac as used in the MXT & M6 as well as the new Prizm 6T is perhaps the best, fast-tracking circuitry on the market. What makes them so good is that they balance very quickly AND White's provides the ability to 'Lock' that setting.
As for "preset" Ground Balance as used by many manufacturers, while it can work in many applications, you run into a number of issues with it. It can be set too positive or too negative for a particular detector/coil for a site hunted, and even if it seems to be a good preset, changing search coils can easily result in very poor performance unless the unit is re-calibrated (tweak the GB setting) for the different search coil.
White's excellent Classic SL series provided an easy access to the GB trimmer for user adjustment and that was well thought out. But those with the Prizm 6T, M6, MXT, XL Pro and other excellent models that have the 'Lock' feature actually offer the user the ability to search with a tracking and adjusting circuit to establish and maintain the GB setting ... OR .. (as I generally use them) .. the operator can establish a good, functional GB and and then 'Lock' that setting which, in essence, is like having an "operator preset" rather than a factory preset GB.
Still, I'd like to see a revival of the XL Pro in either two versions, one with manual GB and one with Auto-Trac, or one revised model with selectable manual or tracking GB circuitry.
Monte[/size]
As for White's Auto-Trac and other manufacturers attempts to achieve a good, functional setting. I feel White's Auto-Trac as used in the MXT & M6 as well as the new Prizm 6T is perhaps the best, fast-tracking circuitry on the market. What makes them so good is that they balance very quickly AND White's provides the ability to 'Lock' that setting.
As for "preset" Ground Balance as used by many manufacturers, while it can work in many applications, you run into a number of issues with it. It can be set too positive or too negative for a particular detector/coil for a site hunted, and even if it seems to be a good preset, changing search coils can easily result in very poor performance unless the unit is re-calibrated (tweak the GB setting) for the different search coil.
White's excellent Classic SL series provided an easy access to the GB trimmer for user adjustment and that was well thought out. But those with the Prizm 6T, M6, MXT, XL Pro and other excellent models that have the 'Lock' feature actually offer the user the ability to search with a tracking and adjusting circuit to establish and maintain the GB setting ... OR .. (as I generally use them) .. the operator can establish a good, functional GB and and then 'Lock' that setting which, in essence, is like having an "operator preset" rather than a factory preset GB.
Still, I'd like to see a revival of the XL Pro in either two versions, one with manual GB and one with Auto-Trac, or one revised model with selectable manual or tracking GB circuitry.
Monte[/size]
But In my opinion Whites will not go backwards. Once they went digital, and most other electronic items are digital. It seems likely their going to progress forward. Maybe an interface machine for new program downloads From our computers.Remember the Eagle series. It was supposed to have been the great upgrade machine as new chips came out.If I remember right only one chip. If that was available...I can't remember if it did or not.
Not trying to argue, or even imagine that I know all you do, or have the insight you have for detectors. Thats just my opinion.It seems they are on the threshold of having something all new.The old technology has just about reached it's limits of improvement.You can only max it out so far, and then you get reverse effect with electronics.Instability, and erratic operation. Interference factors that have been controlled with filters.Get to much filtering you loose effective depth, to little and you get erratic operation.I hope it's a great machine they end up with.Whites has certainly had some good solid equipment so far.The coils have just about reached their max sizes.Lets face it a 12, 15, and some 18" coils are very hard to swing for any length of time in the field.Sure you get more depth as a result of bigger, but how much bigger will be considered better. I have a hard time with the 12" coils for length of hunts. If it hurts it's no longer fun.So as I said it seems likely the electronics will be the next addressed issue to me.Or the frequency.
Not trying to argue, or even imagine that I know all you do, or have the insight you have for detectors. Thats just my opinion.It seems they are on the threshold of having something all new.The old technology has just about reached it's limits of improvement.You can only max it out so far, and then you get reverse effect with electronics.Instability, and erratic operation. Interference factors that have been controlled with filters.Get to much filtering you loose effective depth, to little and you get erratic operation.I hope it's a great machine they end up with.Whites has certainly had some good solid equipment so far.The coils have just about reached their max sizes.Lets face it a 12, 15, and some 18" coils are very hard to swing for any length of time in the field.Sure you get more depth as a result of bigger, but how much bigger will be considered better. I have a hard time with the 12" coils for length of hunts. If it hurts it's no longer fun.So as I said it seems likely the electronics will be the next addressed issue to me.Or the frequency.
Brian in Ocala
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Does anyone know what this could be? I found it in the back yard of a house that was bulldozed. It was about 5 inches deep. [attachment 112270 Foundwithdetector.JPG
Joel-Winnipeg
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Brian in Ocala said:
What did it show up as on the detector ? VDI #?
Looks like nickel .
Did it come off a bigger chunk of rock?
Part of a meteorite?
Is it heavy and attracts a magnet?
[size=medium]My personal "wish" is that they could just revive the XL Pro as it was. However, due in part to some parts availability, that might not be possible. Therefore, I really am hoping to see something that will match the XL Pro in performance and simplicity.jmaryt said:
It could be manual GB only, or selectable Auto-Trac/Manual GB. As long as the 'Lock' function is there, that will do. Maybe an XL Pro with MXT/M6/6T-like rapid Auto-Trac? I'm not sure if the analog meters are available or not, and if not some sort of digital read-out might be necessary. But if they can get the basic XL Pro performance back in our hands, I'll take a trade-off if necessary. Yes, I think we'll see some effort from White's to at least give some serious consideration to addressing the pleading of many devoted fans.
Monte[/size]
i agree! monte!..i believe whitey will probably concentrate on up dating the auto-trac to the m6's performance range,and also allow the operator to "lock" it for existing conditions.i believe also the analog meter is gone to be replaced by a digital functioning meter..the 6.59 khz frequency will be kept,along with a "possible" selectable 2-4 pole designed circuit,retaining the surface mount electronics in a smaller cased package...would like to see the "selectable" filter concept become reality to allow a "speeded" up "ring" time on hunting under heavy trash conditions ,utilizing the outrageously good 5.3 black max coil.,while maintaining the "outstanding" depth of the 4-pole circuit in less trashy sites...i csn dream!..can't i?
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