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A must read for us F75 users. IT WORKS

zaxfire69

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A fellow on another forum posted this link to Nasa Tom's Site. I have never read the article until today. I said to myself, let me see how true this setup is. I picked up my detector. Set the Discrim on 6 and the tones on Monotone. Ground balanced the unit. I literally swung the coil 3 times and got a solid lock on a dime signal. NOW This is my Backyard. I HAVE HAMMERED THIS YARD> HARD. I didn't think anything else was left in it. There about mid depth down sits a Clad dime. i couldn't believe it. F75 guys and gals read this, it really does work.

http://www. dankowski detectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,2251



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From Dankowski's Forum



COMPILATION #1
Posted by: NASA-Tom (IP Logged)
Date: November 10, 2008 06:07PM

F-75 Peak Performance - Disc '6' & mandatory 'monotone' relic hunting justification

When the F-75 is placed on a Disc setting of '6' and 'monotone'; This set-up config allows (under MOST circumstances) the best iron see-thru ability..... in locating non-ferrous targets in areas that are loaded with ferrous (usually nails) environments. The older the site....... the more nails will be present; subsequently, the more good targets will be masked. Most detectors will 'shut-down' under these scenarios. The F-75 (& T-2) are the only detectors currently available on the market that begins to tackle this type of (extremely common) scenario.... with some 'unmasking' success.

.... With F-75 Disc on '6' and 'monotone',,,,,,.....,,,,,, the moment you invoke a different tone option; Say 2-tone, 3-tone, 4-tone, etc.... the
 
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COMPILATION #2
Posted by: NASA-Tom (IP Logged)
Date: December 04, 2008 11:25AM

F-75
 
This refers to the F-70


Bill & Tom,

Yes, all of the above applies to the F-70 also. Keep in mind..... the F-70 (overall) has nearly identical performance to the F-75... but MUST have the same coil as the F-75 (yes, can be interchanged). With the 9.75" elliptical coil on the F-70.... on average,,,, there is approx a 1.5" loss in depth capabilities on coin-sized targets. This can be circumvented by installing the elliptical DD 7 x 11 (F-75) coil on to the F-70. As far as F-70 threshold..... I have noticed minimal/negligible variation differential with performance operating characteristics...... having changed entire spectrum availability on the F-70..... with Florida dirt conditions. On the F-5, slight changes in threshold... presents dramatic performance changes. On the Coin $trike..... the Threshold function is akin to the F-5.... dramatic. There was to be (some form) of linearity with Thresh adjustments.....but varying dirt (and other variables) will alter this to some extent. Yes, I fully agree that a mid-depth coin-sized target should NEVER disappear..... no matter what Thresh value is dialed-in. The C$'s intended target was to tackle black magnetic dirt. It performed such..... (almost) regardless of coil-sweep speed,,,,,, and would trump a multifreq CZ. Dimitar performed such matters with the utilization of a single freq 7.1Khz platform. Commendable..... all things considered (details refrained). He was hired by FRL.... given a clean slate..... and deliberately NOT given ANY blueprints to currently-in-production designs...... so as to circumvent "preprogramming" of already-existing mindset. Considering the utilization of electromagnetics in electromagnetic dirt (yep, self-defeating)... he accomplished a mission of partial paradox.

Tone break following/tracking Disc setting is nothing new.... but can be a tremendous aid. I believe the Cobra II (and others) employed such function.

It is only now....... with the utilization of F-75/T-2....... are we BEGINNING to learn how critical (and how crippling) iron masking truly is. Pandora's box has been opened....... no one wanted to face (tackle) the music..... ((( many never even knew it even existed; hence, could not combat a 'unknown' problem ))) and MOST designers choose to NEVER open this box. Bruce Candy has performed masterfully with this problem..... but in a tangential expenditure by virtue of HIS type of (magnetic/iron) dirt.... with the inception of FBS incorporated into the Explorer. It's just that..... even with the recently released Explorer E-Track...... the unit will "null" TOO TOO much in nail-laiden soils. This portion.... I simply can not accept. . . . YET.... I highly praise the Explorer's 'bad dirt' handling capabilities.... (a product of Australia dirt). IN THE MEANTIME..... Dave & John made the maiden 1st tackle. Single freq (which handles iron better), correct selection of freq, extremely tight EM footprint elliptical DD coil, large-scale iron Disc adjust, extremely rapid processing clock-speed microprocessor (matching....or exceeding/beyond human brain processing speed,,,,...... sometimes frustrating the fallible 'human' element)..... and a host of other attributes. It certainly has revolutionized the way we think/hunt...... and "opens the mind" to future exploration & possibilities. How do you commend?

Tom
 
Thank you for posting that Merf. I just copied that and printed it out. That will go along with my F75 everywhere from now on. If I need to reference it I can. I had a hard time taming the F75 today. Very trashy area i was hunting.
 
zaxfire69 said:
Thank you for posting that Merf. I just copied that and printed it out. That will go along with my F75 everywhere from now on. If I need to reference it I can. I had a hard time taming the F75 today. Very trashy area i was hunting.





Thank you for starting the thread Zaxfire.--I did not mean to hyjack your post but I could not get the link to work so I added the text. With my F-70 I have been running with program 1 set at disc 6----Sensitivity 90----Threshold 0 and 1 tone.
I set program 2 at Disc 0----Sesitivity90---Threshold 0- and tones at 4H. Mild soil hear in Illinois. I hunt in program 1 and when I find a good sounding target I switch to program 2 to see how it sounds. It is a fun machine to learn.

P.S. I also printed it out to have for reference.
 
I just got out of a spot this weekend with heavy Fe, nails hammered door hinges, etc. I'll try this out next trip in.

Curious. What do you set the notch at?

Richard
 
RelicDigger1 said:
I just got out of a spot this weekend with heavy Fe, nails hammered door hinges, etc. I'll try this out next trip in.

Curious. What do you set the notch at?

Richard





I do not notch out or notch in anything with the F-70. Program 1= disc set at 6 -one tone.---------Program 2= disc at 0 tones set at 4H
 
If I'm understanding the 75's notch correctly, I'm notching in everything from 1 to 6 given that I set disc to 6 and notch at 1. It seems I have to put notch "somewhere," so I've set it at 1.

Does this sound correct?

Richard
 
That sounds like it will work OK to me.

If it is the same as the F-70---This is how mine works.
You can notch in iron or notch it out. If when you go to disc in the menu and you can not set it at 0 but it goes down to 1 only.
This means that disc level of 1 is notched in.
Go to notch on the menu and press menu. This should allow you to set disc at 0.
If say you want to notch out all iron. Go to disc on the menu and run it from 0 up to 15, then go to notch on the menu and press menu.
Now iron should be notched out. To notch it back in run the disc back down to 0 and then back up to 15---Go to notch and press menu and iron should be notched back in and you can set disc at any level you want to as nothing will be notched.
Hope I explained this right---It took me some practice to get it right.
Keep in mind this is on my F-70 ----A F-75 may be different. Merf
 
But I'm afraid it's going to take a bigger and more experienced mind than mine to figure out!

This is fascinating stuff.

Maybe Nasa Tom will go slumming and figure out some tricks for unmasking with the F5.

Or maybe once he's done testing the Omega we'll hear some new reports from our F5 guru, Mike Hillis
 
RelicDigger1:

On the F-75, Disc. and Notch sort of work together but opposite of each other.

The only way you can tell what ranges the machine is detecting, or is not detecting, is by looking for the full or half slash through the category words at the top of the display. i.e IRON, FOIL, etc. Remember that the numbers that you see when you select the Notch menu are only numbers and are not an indication of any Notch being set. The numbers are there to help you set a Notch but serve no other purpose.

Lets assume you did a factory reset and turned the Disc. down from #10 to #6. You should see a half slash through the upper left part of the word IRON at the top of the display. Normally, a half slash through the upper left of the word IRON would mean that category IRON (low range #1 thru #7) would not be detected but since you have the Disc. set at #6 only #1 thru #6 will not be detected and #7 will be detected.

At the same time, if you looked at the Notch menu it would show the number #1. There is no Notch set and the number #1 is just a place where the Notch menu comes to rest on factory reset.

Remember..... if you want to know what ranges are, or are not, being detected....look for the presence or absence of the slashes.
 
After reading several times, I believe I can follow that. That makes sense, which leaves me to believe I will have what I am looking for in settings of disc 6 and notch 1. And those settings, if I am understanding correctly, means everything from 7 and above are being detected.

Appreciate your taking the time, Jackalope. Merf. Not yet too old to learn something new!

Richard
 
I understand the setting. Let me tell you. If is very, Very sensitive. I took the F75 out day before yesterday. I hunted a new playground area. I had the Disc set at 6 and notch 1. Monotone. I hung with it as long as I could. There was just so much trash in the ground. I think next time I am going to take it out to a site where I have cleared alot of the trash out of. Now I should be able to get to the good stuff at this one site. This is the setting I am gonna use for awhile. See what I can come up with. I have a couple of new Civil war sites I have permission to hunt. We gonna see how it does out there next.
 
So how did it react in a lot of trash, Zax? Were you able to get an acceptable level of seperation with this setting? What'd you think of it?

Richard
 
Here's an explanation of what I meant by the F-75 Disc. and Notch working together but opposite of each other.

Do a factory reset and turn the Disc to #0. Notice that there are no slashes through any of the category words, i.e IRON, FOIL, etc., at the top of the display. All ranges/numbers are being detected.

Lets assume we wish to Notch OUT (not detect) the NICKEL category low range (26 thru 30) and high range (31 thru 35). Now, leaving the Disc. set on #0, we push the MENU button until we scroll down to the NOTCH menu. There's that #1 on the display again but it doesn't mean anything; it's just a number and no Notch is set yet. We want to Notch OUT (not detect) NICKEL low range (26 thru 30) so we turn the SETTINGS knob while in the Notch menu from #1 to any number #26 thru #30. Now push the MENU button to set the Notch. Now to Notch OUT (not detect) NICKEL high range (31 thru 35), turn the settings knob until any number #31 thru #35 is displayed in the window. Now push the MENU button again to set this Notch. Push the MENU button again and the display should scroll out of the Notch menu and into the # of Tones menu. All the category words at the top of the display, i.e. IRON, FOIL, etc., should be clear except for NICKEL which has a full slash through it. In other words, everything is being detected except for the entire NICKEL category (low 26 - 30, high 31 - 35).


Now let's do a factory reset again but this time turn the DISC. up to #65. Notice that IRON, FOIL, NICKEL, TAB and ZINC all have full slashes through them. DIME and QTR are not part of the DISC or NOTCH functions. This tells you that #1 thru #65 are NOT being detected and #66 thru #99 are being detected.

Let's assume we wish to Notch IN (detect) the NICKEL category (low 26 - 30, high 31 - 35). Leaving the Disc set on #65, we push the MENU button to scroll down to the Notch menu. Again we find the #1 in the display and again it means nothing. No Notch is set yet. We turn the SETTINGS knob until any number #26 thru #30 is displayed in the window and then we push the MENU button ONCE. to set the Notch. Now we turn the Settings knob again until any number #31 thru 35 appears in the display window and push the MENU button again. Pushing the Menu button once again takes you out of the Notch menu and into the # of Tones menu. Looking at the top of the display; IRON, FOIL, TAB and ZINC have full slashes through them indicating that all four of those categories are NOT being detected. NICKEL, DIME and QTR have no slashes through them indicating they are being detected.

As you can see, DISC and Notch do work opposite of each other. If you wish to see where the slashes are at the top of the display, turn the DISC to #0 and the scroll out of the DISC. menu.

Ron
 
That clears is up a good bit, Ron. Appreciate your taking the time to write all of that in terms simple enough so that even I can follow them with ease.

There's several large iron beds here that date back to Spanish colonists and move through to federal occupation. I believe they are simply loaded with relics but we can't get at them if we don't understand our machines well enough.

I've used about every detector out there over 30 years so I'm somewhat familiar with a good many units. I'm trying to master the 75 as well.

Thanks again, Jack!

Richard
 
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