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Advice Please

Thanks Charles:

I stopped back in but I am on my way back out this afternoon. I will read your advice again and will try it.

The threshold seems to get a lot better when I get away from the trashy areas. I was hitting something like two targets on each swing. Using coin, smartfind, and sens of 16.

I am relying on sounds now and then checking the digital numbers on whether to dig or not. Deepest coin this am was 2 inches and a wheatee. (I need to change this.)

There are lots of power lines around where I dig and also buried cables for light poles.

Thanks, Joe.
 
These nulls you hear are item you have disc out, now if you open up the screen in iron mask ( -16 )or go to select and clear the screen the Explorer should not null and you will hear everything, but that is a lot of tones to hear in trashy area. I use mine this way in some place and run ferrous tones so I can hear everything. In others I will run the iron mask in a -14 and just null out the nails and small iron but still hear the coins beside nails, but it will null on the nails. There is even some spots I have a pattern made where only the top is open only to about where iron mask 12 would be, but it nulls a lot and can hear most of the coins and anything that is iffy I will hit my iron mask button which I have set to a -16 to hear everything.
Many different ways to use the Explorer for different areas, but nulling is caused by a item that is disc out so some areas you will see this more and to get rid of the nulling the Explorer has to have less disc or none and go by the tones,
On getting the correct ID of a target that sounds good I find by going to all metal to know where the target actually is, then back to disc to wiggle the coil only over that area to hear the target best response and then lift the coil away so it cant see any other target so the target you are trying to ID is the only one it sees.

Good luck and I am sure the more you are using it the more you are learning about the Explorer, I know I was one that wanted to wrapp mine around a tree until I learned it a bit, now it is a detector along with my Sovereign that I will always keep and used as for a deep seeking coin detector it can be beat.

Rick
 
Dave,

With 20 targets per swing I can just imagine what the 20 foot square section of ground would look like after removing all the trash.

HH,
Glenn
 
I spent an hour in the park with the detector adjusted.

I tried to eliminate the bottom third of the screen but when I did I got rid of nickles. So I lowered it to about one forth and also accepted the positive part so nickles were included. I tried it this way on some woods but there was a great deal of iron hits showing up so I eliminated the left hand side of the screen too, out to about 1/3. This quieted it down some. The gain was set at 7 and the sensitivity at 16.deep on, fast off, and ferrous. Sort of a fat L in the smart screen.

The detector seemed stable but noisy.

I found one target for which I got a coin tone and it said 7 inches down so I dug it. It was a rusted can lid at about 1/2 inch down. I also found a bottle cap at 1/2 inch but it said it was a coin right on top. I also dug a dime and a penny right on top of the soil that had the high tone. Another bottle cap did the same thing. I dug two pull tabs cause they looked a little like the nickle in the smart screen.

Did I interpret your directions correctly?

Only problem I see is it ids some trash up at the top with a high tone just like coins.

It will take some getting used to.

Any more advice on what I did?

I put some coins on top of the ground where it seemed clean and got about 5 inches for a dime and a penny and a little more for a quarter. I didn't get to the air test yet.

I understand the nulling is just trash targets around. However sometimes even the junk hits disappear from the detector. It becomes very quiet. This is why I think it is the ground balance getting knocked out of wack by the high number of trash targets around. This may be something I have to live with.

I need to work on learning this for a while. Do you know of some way to make it more moderate while I learn?

I did switch over to digital when it had something close to the top and that still seemed to work.

Joe.
 
Thanks Charles,, read your advice and set my machine to it. Went to the park and found 2 Indians 1893 1894 and a really cool 5cent token. It really works .Thanks Harry
 
> I tried to eliminate the bottom third of the
> screen but when I did I got rid of nickles.

Joe given the difficulty you are having I recommend that you forget about nickels for now, you can always come back in a week or two and hunt them after you get the machine working correctly and have learned what the deeper coins sound like. Black out the bottom of the screen and concentrate on higher coin signals for now.

> but there was a
> great deal of iron hits showing up so I eliminated
> the left hand side of the screen too, out to about
> 1/3.

A big L is fine, just be sure to experiment with iron mask -16 when you think you get a good deep target. Its good to check about a coil size area around the target to see if there is anything else nearby. Oh and when you do finally happen upon a deeper coin take advantage of the opportunity, spend some time sweeping it from different angles, let the signal soak it, your brain will take over after a few hunts and those deep coin singals will stick out like a sore thumb amongst the trash. I know it sounds crazy, the Explorer and all its beeping about drove me nuts at first. But in time the iron and trash signals fade into the background with the threshold and are ignored for the most part.

Your sens at 16 is quite low, thats about 50% power. But you mentioned that there were "lots" of power lines around and underground cables. If thats the case then 16 may be all you can run and even that may be noisy. My strong advice is to select a different, easier site to learn the machine. Hunting around noisy power lines is one of the most difficult conditions to hunt. Go train your ears for deep coins at a more friendly site, then come back to this site and get your revenge.

> I found one target for which I got a coin tone and
> it said 7 inches down so I dug it. It was a rusted
> can lid at about 1/2 inch down.

Depth should not have read 7 inches. Note that the depth meter is only accurate when the coil is centered over the target. If you are picking up the target off the front of the coil which you can certainly do with a surface can lid, depth will be off, it will read deeper than it really is. For those surface targets don't be afraid to raise your coil off the ground several inches for a coin, even more for a larger target like a can lid. This will help A LOT with pinpointing surface targets. Another use for this raising of the coil is to determine if a deep target that sounds perhaps too loud (big) is really a coin or an old car fender. If the target reads deep, and you are centered over the target, but you can still hear the target with your coil a foot or more off the ground then whatever is down there is WAY bigger than a coin. A third trick while learing deep coins signals, a indian head for example at say 7 inches, will quickly vanish once you raise your coil about 3 inches off the ground, you know you got a deep coin sized target if that happens. Last note on the depth meter...its calibrated to about a small cent sized target. Lets consider a 3 cent, an indian head, and a silver half all at say 6 inches deep. The indian head will read 6 inches on the depth meter, the 3 cent being smaller will read perhaps 8 inches and the silver half being larger may read 4-5. Small targets read deeper than they really are, and large targets read shallower. Small bits of trash can be problematic because its probably really only say 3 inches deep, but the depth meter says 6. The easy way to keep from being fooled on those is to raise the coil a few inches, if you can still hear it, its a shallow small target. If the signal goes away, then its deep.

And yes, big rusty can lids will give a high coin tone, as will a large hunk of lead, a big chunk of cast iron, most large metal objects will sound high. Again thats a calibration thing. Take gold coins for example, the 1 dollar gold is way down at the bottom of the screen foil to nickel range yet a $20 dollar gold coin will read/sound more like a quarter. Size matters. After a while you will even notice that a very worn silver dime sounds/ID's slightly different than one with little little wear.

This probably sounds problematic right, all these different tones and sounds but the Explorer gives you a ton of information about the target and thats a good thing once you learn what coins and round targets sound like and how they behave because once you do, you can start picking off those coins that have been hiding under/near iron and trash. Around here the easy targets are mostly long gone. Most of the good old coins that are left are hiding. The added information the Explorer gives helps to sniff those out versus say the Sovereign which does not have nearly the range of tones.

> I put some coins on top of the ground where it
> seemed clean and got about 5 inches for a dime and
> a penny and a little more for a quarter. I didn't
> get to the air test yet.

Thats fine with your sens at 16, 28 will get a couple more inches at least. You just need to find a more friendly spot to learn.

> I understand the nulling is just trash targets
> around. However sometimes even the junk hits
> disappear from the detector. It becomes very
> quiet. This is why I think it is the ground
> balance getting knocked out of wack by the high
> number of trash targets around.

Don't worry about the ground balance, the ground signal pales in comparison to a solid coin signal. I have hunted some really nasty ground full of iron where the machine is in a constant null e.g. no threshold at all. But it WILL lock onto a coin if you get the coil over it. You have to be sweeping slow in that type of condition though.

> Do
> you know of some way to make it more moderate
> while I learn?

Yes, as I mentioned above, go find yourself a user friendly school yard or something. Save the tougher sites until after you get comfortable with the machine.

Charles
 
Joe,

On my first pass through a park I operate with the bottom 80% of the screen darkened and hunt in FERROUS mode. I then use the LEARN mode to open up the area for Indians and nickels. To do this I set the sensitivity down to about 10 or so (to keep noise from contaminating the learning process ) and use the X1 probe to sample the Indian and nickel targets using an air test with the samples close to the probe. With this setup I find lots of nickels and very few pulltabs. Of course, you are not going to find many gold targets with this setup

HH,
Glenn
 
Some thoughts...

cachenut Wrote:
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> Oh like
>
> 1. coins targets ring twice but others ring only
> once. Some targets ring in only when passing over
> right to left? This is why???

Be aware that the Explorer has a useful uh...call it a feature. Near surface targets often give a double beep, that tells me its shallow without having to look at the depth meter e.g. its easier to ignore shallow targets and keep walking. Also you can pick a surface target up on the outer edges of the coil, the center of the coil is hot, but the outer edges will also detect a target within an inch or so from the coil. Simply raise the coil a few inches.

>
> 2. Some targets won't seem to lock in and change
> numbers?
>
> 3. There seems to be a second id for targets that
> appears when I wait a few seconds. Usually this
> is the coin id and is associated with the high
> tone I am hearing? Sometimes I hear a high tone
> but never see the numbers and dig anyway finding a
> coin? Why?

This is why hunting by sound is so much better. The digital screen and smartfind cursor do NOT update until the threshold returns. So if your last target was say a pulltab, and you sweep a coin but theres so much trash or whatever that you can't get a threshold, the cursor/digital reading will remain unchanged. You can try sweeping the target then raise your coil up in the air to get a threshold. You can lower your sens way down temporarily. But here's the good news, tone ID is real time as you sweep and does not suffer from this threshold rule.

>
> 4. someone mentioned pinpointing with the coil on
> edge?? This does not seem to work for me.

Never worked for me either. I had a terrible time pinpointing at first but now I don't even think about it. If the target doesn't have any nearby trash items getting in the way I sweep it from one angle, then from 90 degree doing an X pattern and I'm on the button most of the time. If due to nails or other trash items that doesn't work, I'll fix a spot where I think the target is, then use the front few inches of the coil to nibble around the target, sneaking up on it until I just hear the target, like eating a cookie from the outer edge in the spot gets smaller and smaller as I nibble away where the target isn't. Lastly I'm not opposed to just digging a trash item or two out of my way. Better that than to mangle a nice bust dime with my digger.
 
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