and let us know your result. That would be real interesting in all metal and then again with the nails disced out. I think you didn't get a response from the bottle cap in your earlier test because you may have had it disced out. Try the bottle cap in all metal (quick mask, pg 32 of the manual) and let us know what she says. Bottle caps were never a problem for the Explorer SE unless you hunted in conductive tones and then you had to disc them out. So I imagine from your previous test result that they aren't a problem now either. Thanks for your info.
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All coins on the ETrac have a ferrous value of 12??:confused:
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Chris, try sweeping the coil over some rusted nails and a dime at the same time
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and let us know your result. That would be real interesting in all metal and then again with the nails disced out. I think you didn't get a response from the bottle cap in your earlier test because you may have had it disced out. Try the bottle cap in all metal (quick mask, pg 32 of the manual) and let us know what she says. Bottle caps were never a problem for the Explorer SE unless you hunted in conductive tones and then you had to disc them out. So I imagine from your previous test result that they aren't a problem now either. Thanks for your info.
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and let us know your result. That would be real interesting in all metal and then again with the nails disced out. I think you didn't get a response from the bottle cap in your earlier test because you may have had it disced out. Try the bottle cap in all metal (quick mask, pg 32 of the manual) and let us know what she says. Bottle caps were never a problem for the Explorer SE unless you hunted in conductive tones and then you had to disc them out. So I imagine from your previous test result that they aren't a problem now either. Thanks for your info.
Got me brother....The F75 has a bottle cap reject mode and so does the DFX which makes the Bottle cap signals sloppy and scratchy with inconsistent ID's, maybe ML put that in there as well
and/or the bottle cap you are using is made up of more than one type of metal or alloy and with rust, the machine might just be that sensitive to the different signals it's interpreting.
and/or the bottle cap you are using is made up of more than one type of metal or alloy and with rust, the machine might just be that sensitive to the different signals it's interpreting.
. I'd swear they made the F75 to find bottle caps, it liked to call them those bottle caps valuable coin signals. Maybe they are rare coins in some small foreign country that the design engineers over at First Texas liked to visit.christopher-ohio
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Like mem cents, Indians, and screw caps all being 12-37 because we are going to be digging lots of screw caps and new pennies in search of Indians if that is true, irregardless of processor speed and awesome discrimination. The other really important bear will be pieces of aluminum soda cans and aluminum trim siding compared to silver coins. Shotgun brass, foil, and 22 shorts compared to nickels. You know what I mean, any of these that share the same FER/Cond #'s exactly as a desired coin are crap we will have to figure a way around or dig allot of. As with the previous models, it may simply be a QUALITY of tone issue, where the coin will sound more round and flutey and the junk more scratchy or flat . That will be a problem with the mem cent and indian issue because they are both coins that I am assuming both will give that pretty, round tone and they are the same size too
. On the SE, you really can tell the difference between a nickel and foil by the ever so slight difference in the quality of the tone you get from the nickel that you don't get from the foil.
. On the SE, you really can tell the difference between a nickel and foil by the ever so slight difference in the quality of the tone you get from the nickel that you don't get from the foil.I can't wait to get this thing. From what I am reading, this is going to be a heck of a machine, I don't see too much silver staying safe, especially if they have silver and aluminum separated on the smart find screen. How many times have you dug ten or 12 inches to find a crushed soda can??? If I have to give up an occasional Indian because they moved mem cents over to Indians and away from silver dimes that's a good trade off. Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. Hope you feel better. Maybe when you do, you can go down there to Silver lake south of Cleveland and find those silver bars the lake was named after.
christopher-ohio
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I really feel those numbers are just generalizations for indian heads but not zincs...I retested the screwcap and it did vary from 12-39 to 12-40 down to 12-37 without a super hard "lock"...this is the most highly engineered Minelab coin/relic machine to date and I trust it was done to as much perfection as possible. I'm going to go out this morning for a first hunt where there used to be an old farmhouse and see it I can pull anything else from the iron. I will try both ferrous and conductive sounds, all metal, coins, and relic programs and see what happens...I really can't imagine any more coins in this specific spot since I've pounded it with everything...if it even finds one coin I'll be shocked but probably not a fair test until I know the machine much better. On most machines, indians and zincs read mostly the same as do screwcaps as a coin but we'll see...the next couple of weeks will be very interesting as many will be using their new Etrac...looking forward to that...the coughing spell is over so back to bed for
me I need to rest up for that first hunt tomorrow
me I need to rest up for that first hunt tomorrow christopher-ohio
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Been there many a time since my wife grew up in Cuyahoga Falls...suprised you heard of it...boy would I love to hunt that place!
How Silver Lake was Named
In 1860, Mrs. Sarah F. Howard, then just a young girl from Cuyahoga Falls, and three other merry young people, two girls and two boys, were attending a Junior Concert, given by the Junior class of Western Reserve College in Hudson, Ohio, were singing songs on their way home through Stow to Cuyahoga Falls in a horse drawn carriage.
Charmed by the beautiful moon, as the gay party drove down Moore Hill, the lake came into view.
"What bit of Paradise is here?" exclaimed the driver, a total stranger in Stow.
Another answered, "It is the Pond; Stow Lake or Wetmore's Pond", just as you choose to call it".
Thereupon the driver, standing up as he made a prelude speech with the oratory of a law student, said "NEVERMORE" but henceforth and forever, SILVER LAKE, shell it be called and dire penalty fall upon anyone failing to give it this name, we now bless severely".
The delightful ride ended, but not until the christener commanded the young ladies to go and tell the farmer, Mr. Zenes Culver living were our "Old Homestead" was, to hereafter call the lake "SILVER LAKE".
Information obtained from the manuscript entitled An Historical Anthology of Silver Lake by William R. Lodge.
Silver Lake Amusement Park
On Jan 10, 1874, Ralph H. Lodge bought Silver Lake (all the land covered by water but no land around it) for $1,300. The following June, Lodge bought 35 acres of land at the South West corner of the lake. Prior to Lodge's investment, a tribe of Seneca Indians summered at the South end of Silver Lake until the War of 1812. On April 9, 1876, he moved his wife and four small children to Wetmore's Pond.
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When Ohio became a state in the early 1800's, the first American settlers began putting down their roots in this area. Judge William Wetmore arrived in 1804. In 1808, the judge built a log cabin overlooking the lake (point) at the advice of his friend, Chief Wagmong, head of the local Indian tribe. Judge Wetmore was conscientious in his dealings with the purported Seneca. The history books state that 500 huts lined Route 59 and extending from the lake to the Cuyahoga River. Judge Wetmore never allowed any bartering with the Indians, so there would never be any hard feelings.
The Wetmore family noticed their Native American Friends were holding a war council. As daybreak approached, the Native American camp appeared deserted and the Wetmores ventured down to the huts and found them empty.
It is believed that the British forces convinced the Native Americans to kill the Americans, but the Englishman's plea was ignored. Reports are that some braves returned to Silver Lake as war heroes, decorated by the American General William Henry Harrison. Since there were no other tribes living in the area and their families did not accompany them, they left to settle on a reservation in Wisconsin.
With the French and Indian War which fought over the control of trade and the land in the New World and in the War of 1812 between the Americans and British over some of the same issues, and the ever moving of the Indians from New York and pushing west, it is likely by the time they reached the shores of Silver Lake, the group may have been a mixture of displaced tribes.
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In 1876, Lodge built a small bath house and pavilion and provided boats for rental to fishermen and started the resort area called Silver Lake Park. The railroad brought excursions from places as far away as Columbus and Pittsburgh. As many as 10,000 people a day traveled by train to enjoy the many and varied interests to be found in the park. People spent the Summer camping in tents, others living in rented cottages, and some stayed at the hotel.
The park had excellent facilities for all kinds of sports. There was a race track, a baseball diamond, bowling alley, roller skating, swimming and boating.
When Lodge's father visited the family a few years after their move to Stow, he asked his son about the soundness of the lakeside venture, Lodge replied, "that the fishing, boating, bathing and picnicking business will become more popular, and that I will live to see the day when I can take in $100 a day here."
Before his death in 1907, Ralph Lodge in fact saw days when his park took in $2,000, and occasionally $5,000. Besides having the help of his nine children, Lodge hired 100 to 150 people to care for the grounds and serve the needs of thousands of visitors. At one point the park's operating expenses averaged $800 a day.
The animal exhibit contained many different species. Monkeys to panthers, elk, buffalo, deer, birds, and a large aquarium. The first Black Bears, born in captivity were at Silver Lake Park. The bear pits are still located in the Village.
Steam and electric launches cruised on the lake and a miniature train ran along the lake shore. (see photo page) The Park also had a roller coaster, merry-go-round, and a midway. A pavilion contained a dining area for 500 people and a 15,000 square foot polished hard maple dance floor. Silver Lake Park retained its popularity for 40 years.
The first Airport built in Summit County was Silver Lake Airport in the Silver Lake Amusement Park .
When Silver Lake Amusement Park closed after World War I, in 1920, the aquarium which was housed in a round building was dismantled. The brick building was perfectly round except for the gabled portico supported by four columns at the entrance. Mr. and Mrs. Lodge gave the aquarium to a group in Stow, Ohio who rebuilt it. It became the Community Church on Elm Road that seated 200 people. It is now called the New Apostolic Church.
In 1918 the heirs of Ralph H. Lodge, who passed away on May 27, 1907, sold all the property for residential development.
Information obtained from the manuscript entitled "An Historical Anthology of Silver Lake by William R. Lodge.
RETURN-Table of Contents RETURN - Dedication Ceramony FORWARD-Photo Gallery
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Contents | Bears | Train | General | Indians/River | About Silver Lake | Dedication | Amusement Park | Photo Gallery | Gallery II | Gallery III | Gallery IV |Airport | Lodge Sr.| Geo. Lodge | W.R. Lodge | J. Stow | Wm Wetmore | Steamboats | W.Island | Slide | Swan | School | Incorporation | S.L.Photos | Beautiful S.L. | Eve. Shadows | Genealogy | R.H.Lodge,Jr Obituary | O.E.Lodg
How Silver Lake was Named
In 1860, Mrs. Sarah F. Howard, then just a young girl from Cuyahoga Falls, and three other merry young people, two girls and two boys, were attending a Junior Concert, given by the Junior class of Western Reserve College in Hudson, Ohio, were singing songs on their way home through Stow to Cuyahoga Falls in a horse drawn carriage.
Charmed by the beautiful moon, as the gay party drove down Moore Hill, the lake came into view.
"What bit of Paradise is here?" exclaimed the driver, a total stranger in Stow.
Another answered, "It is the Pond; Stow Lake or Wetmore's Pond", just as you choose to call it".
Thereupon the driver, standing up as he made a prelude speech with the oratory of a law student, said "NEVERMORE" but henceforth and forever, SILVER LAKE, shell it be called and dire penalty fall upon anyone failing to give it this name, we now bless severely".
The delightful ride ended, but not until the christener commanded the young ladies to go and tell the farmer, Mr. Zenes Culver living were our "Old Homestead" was, to hereafter call the lake "SILVER LAKE".
Information obtained from the manuscript entitled An Historical Anthology of Silver Lake by William R. Lodge.
Silver Lake Amusement Park
On Jan 10, 1874, Ralph H. Lodge bought Silver Lake (all the land covered by water but no land around it) for $1,300. The following June, Lodge bought 35 acres of land at the South West corner of the lake. Prior to Lodge's investment, a tribe of Seneca Indians summered at the South end of Silver Lake until the War of 1812. On April 9, 1876, he moved his wife and four small children to Wetmore's Pond.
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When Ohio became a state in the early 1800's, the first American settlers began putting down their roots in this area. Judge William Wetmore arrived in 1804. In 1808, the judge built a log cabin overlooking the lake (point) at the advice of his friend, Chief Wagmong, head of the local Indian tribe. Judge Wetmore was conscientious in his dealings with the purported Seneca. The history books state that 500 huts lined Route 59 and extending from the lake to the Cuyahoga River. Judge Wetmore never allowed any bartering with the Indians, so there would never be any hard feelings.
The Wetmore family noticed their Native American Friends were holding a war council. As daybreak approached, the Native American camp appeared deserted and the Wetmores ventured down to the huts and found them empty.
It is believed that the British forces convinced the Native Americans to kill the Americans, but the Englishman's plea was ignored. Reports are that some braves returned to Silver Lake as war heroes, decorated by the American General William Henry Harrison. Since there were no other tribes living in the area and their families did not accompany them, they left to settle on a reservation in Wisconsin.
With the French and Indian War which fought over the control of trade and the land in the New World and in the War of 1812 between the Americans and British over some of the same issues, and the ever moving of the Indians from New York and pushing west, it is likely by the time they reached the shores of Silver Lake, the group may have been a mixture of displaced tribes.
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In 1876, Lodge built a small bath house and pavilion and provided boats for rental to fishermen and started the resort area called Silver Lake Park. The railroad brought excursions from places as far away as Columbus and Pittsburgh. As many as 10,000 people a day traveled by train to enjoy the many and varied interests to be found in the park. People spent the Summer camping in tents, others living in rented cottages, and some stayed at the hotel.
The park had excellent facilities for all kinds of sports. There was a race track, a baseball diamond, bowling alley, roller skating, swimming and boating.
When Lodge's father visited the family a few years after their move to Stow, he asked his son about the soundness of the lakeside venture, Lodge replied, "that the fishing, boating, bathing and picnicking business will become more popular, and that I will live to see the day when I can take in $100 a day here."
Before his death in 1907, Ralph Lodge in fact saw days when his park took in $2,000, and occasionally $5,000. Besides having the help of his nine children, Lodge hired 100 to 150 people to care for the grounds and serve the needs of thousands of visitors. At one point the park's operating expenses averaged $800 a day.
The animal exhibit contained many different species. Monkeys to panthers, elk, buffalo, deer, birds, and a large aquarium. The first Black Bears, born in captivity were at Silver Lake Park. The bear pits are still located in the Village.
Steam and electric launches cruised on the lake and a miniature train ran along the lake shore. (see photo page) The Park also had a roller coaster, merry-go-round, and a midway. A pavilion contained a dining area for 500 people and a 15,000 square foot polished hard maple dance floor. Silver Lake Park retained its popularity for 40 years.
The first Airport built in Summit County was Silver Lake Airport in the Silver Lake Amusement Park .
When Silver Lake Amusement Park closed after World War I, in 1920, the aquarium which was housed in a round building was dismantled. The brick building was perfectly round except for the gabled portico supported by four columns at the entrance. Mr. and Mrs. Lodge gave the aquarium to a group in Stow, Ohio who rebuilt it. It became the Community Church on Elm Road that seated 200 people. It is now called the New Apostolic Church.
In 1918 the heirs of Ralph H. Lodge, who passed away on May 27, 1907, sold all the property for residential development.
Information obtained from the manuscript entitled "An Historical Anthology of Silver Lake by William R. Lodge.
RETURN-Table of Contents RETURN - Dedication Ceramony FORWARD-Photo Gallery
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Contents | Bears | Train | General | Indians/River | About Silver Lake | Dedication | Amusement Park | Photo Gallery | Gallery II | Gallery III | Gallery IV |Airport | Lodge Sr.| Geo. Lodge | W.R. Lodge | J. Stow | Wm Wetmore | Steamboats | W.Island | Slide | Swan | School | Incorporation | S.L.Photos | Beautiful S.L. | Eve. Shadows | Genealogy | R.H.Lodge,Jr Obituary | O.E.Lodg
Mick in Dubbo
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They are the real killer over hear in Oz, as our gold coins (my favourite targets) come in at the same area. I'll be going to Sydney at the week-end, so I'll drop in and check the E-Trac out on them and screw caps. I can usually pick them with the Ace in pinpoint. It will be interesting to see how the E-Trac goes. I'm also interested in what target info can be gleaned out of the sizing pinpoint mode, if any.
I'm also interested in the tone modulation on various targets as well.
Mick Evans.
I'm also interested in the tone modulation on various targets as well.
Mick Evans.
king-ghidorah
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What if you're a relic hunter and you want to use the E-TRAC??
Beachcomber
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I don't know if you read the two flyers about teh E-Trac that were Posted or watched the Videos on the MLO Website but it was mentioned that the Ferrous and Conductive setup of the Smartfind Screen is Linear on the E-Trac. Which to me means that the Explorer's Smartfind Screen setup isn't Linear. THis is something that I never gave much thought to in the past as I jsut learned where the targets were on the Smartfind Screen. But it stands to reason that the original Explorer Smartfind wasn't Linear if you think back to the Sov's. The Sov's TID Meter has never been Linear. The Foil-Zinc Penny is expanded and Memorial Pennies on up are compressed together and give the same TID Number. I think Minelab may have carried that same thinking over to the Explorer as the Memorial Pennies and Higher read up in the right hand corner of the Smartfind Screen though there is some spearation on teh Display as well as in thier Audio Tones. And again on the Explorer the range from Foil though Zinc Penny is spread out across most of the display. Now on the E-Trac they are saying the display is Linear plus they have rearranged the way the numbers and the target locations on the screen fall. As you said we will need to do a "Master Reset" of our brains and throw out a lot of what we take for granted with the Explorer and learn what the E-Trac is telling us. There was a learning curve to the Explorer that we all have gone through and that was well worth the effort. Now we just need to do some of that learning again and hopefully just like with the Explorer it will have been worth the effort. After all part of the fun is the Journey.....not just getting to the destination 
JMHO
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christopher-ohio
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brissietex
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Old habits die hard and we have all had to learn the Explorer at one time or another. The E-Trac is a whole new beast and tho it shares some common Explorer workings, it looks and acts like a new animal altogether. I can't wait to get my hands on it...