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American history

thunderstorm

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Hi,im in the uk.The general view from uk is that American history only starts around 16th century.Before that there was other history no doubt that abounds waiting to be found.What is the history and do people find artifacts that relate to the Indians and beyond...they must be there.Any views on this please.
 
[size=large]North American history, pre-European arrival, i.e., Jamestown very early 1600's. To make a long story (history) short, yes there were people living in the North American continent and had been for thousands of years. Unfortunately they built no great cities, no great architectural structures are to be found from their history. In general they lived in hunter/gatherer and agricultural bands, tribes or at times, enough to be called a "nations". They often were at war with each other like all other people. They fought for land, women, slaves and plunder. They lived in stick huts, hide houses and mud & stone huts. To the best of my knowledge, the most advanced and artistically inclined tribes were the ones in the upper northwest coast of Washington and Canada who built huge lodges, artistic totem poles, and sea-going dugouts and thrived on the abundance of rich sea life.. Other than trade items traded with Europeans after their arrival, few even had metal. So the best you're going to find in history are arrow heads, stone knives, bead work, etc. [/size]
 
The Indians did build some permanent structures, but they are far and few between. They didn't leave behind huge temples like the Mayans and Aztecs.
 
I enjoy finding arrow heads as much as metal relics and got into detecting thru arrowhead hunting. There are a lot of fields to find arrowheads and it helps to swing a detector when you are looking for them. SometimesI would rather be over your way swinging for 1-2000 year old metal objects though. I got on an ebay kick 2 years ago and started selling some of my finds to buy finds found by other detectors over seas. It would be much cooler to find my own though. Thanks for posting the question.
 
Here in the USA we get all excited when finding coins from the 1800's and downright giddy over a 1700's coin. I've seen my UK detecting buddies throw late 1700's and 1800's coins in the bin (that's trash can for us Yanks).

The majority of our "metalic" history is East of the Mississippi River where folks concentrate on Colonial, Rev War, and Civil War era coins and relics. All over our country detectorists hunt for coins and relics primarily from 1800's and later with the most concentration being on coins and tokens or War stuff.
 
They had no interest in this land. They came ahsore only because they were out o' beer and needed supplies to make more :cheers:
 
here in oregon, there are places that have old things. some old native indian lodges and stuff has been discovered. lewis and clark left a few stone salt cairns and their fort clatsop site has been restored. champoeg park is an old indian site as well. oregon museum of science and industry has a very good display on the indians that lived in the northwest.
 
there was a lot of history prior to the 1700's. As Vernon said, the vast majority of native Americans lived a very "low environmental impact" lifestyle. About the only remaining evidence of their inhabitance is stone artifacts.

I live in the midwest. In our area it is a relatively simple process to find "points" (arrowheads). The key is permanent water, say, a river for example. The first step is to figure out the floodplain. The Indians were way too smart to build their villages where it might flood (unlike the idiots who built New Orleans below sea level). By searching the area slightly above the floodplain it is fairly easy to find artifacts. The worst problem at this point is to find bare ground. The best situation is to hunt plowed fields after it has rained several times.

I have been lucky enough to identify several villages or campsites. Also, a very few times, I've found where the flint knapper actually sat making points. There will be shards of flint and gobs of tiny flakes left from the process. You'll also usually find unfinished rejects and pieces that broke in the final stages. (I've often wondered if Indians had cuss words suitable for such occasions?????)

Anyone who searches for artifacts will soon realize that there were far more points made than they could have ever hope to use in hunting. The Indians used points as a medium of exchange, much as we use money. Likewise, there was extensive trade in flint and other premium point material. Our local flint is pretty poor for point making. Most points from local flint will be very old. I've found some that likely date back as far as 10,000 years. The majority of points I've found are from flint that came from elsewhere and are much newer. Settlers first came into our area in about 1830 - 1840 and recorded that there were many Indian villages in our area. There were large villages just a few miles from my home and a trading post stood there for about 50 years.

One more point about points - most of what people call arrowheads are actually spear points or knife points. Actual arrowheads were quite small. I mean, think about it. How far would an arrow go with a 1/4 lb. rock tied to it. :lol:

There were a very few exceptions to the "low impact" native Americans. Probably the most notable was the Mississippian culture, more commonly known as the "mound builders". As one might gather, they flourished along the Mississippi river, but branched out to the east from there. They left earthworks from the Great Lakes region to the Gulf. The largest site is across the river from St. Louis in Illinois, called the Cahokia Mounds. These was a city here with an estimated population of 20,000 to 25,000. Here's a picture of what's left of the largest mound.
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Believe me, it is FAR more impressive when viewed from ground level.

And, here's an artist's rendering of what the entire area looked like.
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The mound builders left their work in literally thousands of sites. Often the smaller mounds blend in to the landscape and are unrocognized. There are several sites with earthworks in the shape of animals. Some aren't apparent until viewed from the air. It's a pretty safe bet that anyone living in the eastern half of the US has documented mound builder's sites within a couple hundred miles. Anyone interested can find lots of info on the internet.

In addition to the mound builders there were some pretty highly organized cultures in the southwest states. Most notable was the Anasazi. They developed a pretty amazing civilization in the desert country.

Hope this answered some of your questions and is of interest to others.

Bob in (cold, wet, dreary) MIZZU
 
Wondered where you live in Oregon--I live outside Vancouver Wa.---Tried to send you a personal message but you have it set Not to receive them
 
Thanks for the very informative information guys.Still though I would be sure there is treasure of some kind waiting to be found...whether it be gold or similar hoards..its out there!! Good luck guys.
 
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