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An Ace view, to anyone who cares to read....

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slingshot

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:laugh:My Ace went from sitting on a garage table for sale to my main detector. I read all the hoopla about it's slow recovery time, to the bongety-bong posters, etc. Well, I was STUCK with mine cause noone wanted to pay $175 for a near-new detector and I was too cheap to lower the price:laugh: Then all you fine posters chimed in and made me actually get out there and experiment with the thing. Now get this-it's actually gonna be my speed hunt machine if I every enter one of the competitions. This week, while flailing like crazy-I only get so much time to hunt- I started getting signals that were close together-SO where's the slow recovery? In one instance, a quarter and a dime next to each other actually gave a low and bong tone close together. Now it could be because I only use sens. #3 cause I hunt schools, tot lots, etc. and I STILL get quarters at 5-6" regularly. Also, I'm a stickler for overlapping the coil. And the relics mode is my favorite mode. I didn't realize how fast I was going until an observer asked me if those things could actually work while going that fast.:bouncy: Even the tiny beaver tails and some targets so small I had trouble finding them were hit. I'm not saying it's perfect-I have other detectors. It just makes life so simple and enjoyable. :ninja:
 
Glad to hear it, buddy!:detecting:I'm gonna be getting one for myself soon. That way I can hunt with the 10"x14" Excellerator and wifey can use hers with the sniper coil. We'll be a pair of Aces!:twodetecting:Happy Hunting!:)
 
I love my ACE with the sniper coil for tot lots. Its easy to use and the the bell tone is great.. Also it seems to me that if it hits a target 1 inch or 5 inches it still sounds out strong.. I have an area that is a skate board park.. There is probably hundreds of pennies and you take all your time just digging new pennies, So you just notch them out and go for dimes and quarters to at least make a few bucks quickly..I just recently bought a used GTI 2500 that is fantastic but the combo of the two just can't be beat.
 
I kinda boo-boo'd. It was a NICKEL and a quarter close together that gave the low and high tone. Sorry for the typo error.
 
slingshot said:
:laugh:My Ace went from sitting on a garage table for sale to my main detector. I read all the hoopla about it's slow recovery time, to the bongety-bong posters, etc. Well, I was STUCK with mine cause noone wanted to pay $175 for a near-new detector and I was too cheap to lower the price:laugh: Then all you fine posters chimed in and made me actually get out there and experiment with the thing. Now get this-it's actually gonna be my speed hunt machine if I every enter one of the competitions. This week, while flailing like crazy-I only get so much time to hunt- I started getting signals that were close together-SO where's the slow recovery? In one instance, a quarter and a dime next to each other actually gave a low and bong tone close together. Now it could be because I only use sens. #3 cause I hunt schools, tot lots, etc. and I STILL get quarters at 5-6" regularly. Also, I'm a stickler for overlapping the coil. And the relics mode is my favorite mode. I didn't realize how fast I was going until an observer asked me if those things could actually work while going that fast.:bouncy: Even the tiny beaver tails and some targets so small I had trouble finding them were hit. I'm not saying it's perfect-I have other detectors. It just makes life so simple and enjoyable. :ninja:
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In my tests, the Ace wasn't slow. It had good separation, too.
I found I could get a dime @ 2" from a large nail, with the stock coil.
However you do have to slow over the targets and give it some processing time, if you want to let the ID circuits do their thing. If you're "moving and scooping," then this isn't so important. My favorite method with the Ace involves just these things.

It also gets a decent depth for faster coil swings, as any decent motion discriminator should. This isn't new territory, exclusive to the Ace alone.

You said it - it is simple. This is not a bad thing, just as it is not the only thing that matters.
Charles Garrett wanted a $200 detector that had all the useful features that modern digi-tronics could allow.
He got precisely what he designed.
 
I don't know who ever dreamed up "slow response and recovery" for the 250. I've always praised its repid response and recovery and since it is a "motion detector", the faster you swing it the better it discriminates and the deeper it goes. And a lot of 250's are used in competition hunts. You'll grow to love it the more you use it.

Bill
 
I figured that as it doesn't belltone on a nickel except in rare cases when it combines a belltone with a beep over a nickel.


Bill
 
My Ace 250 separates as good as any machine I have used. I have never thought it was slow. Heck I use the big coil and it easily picks good targets from trash. I like the relic mode with 4 to 5 bars of sens.
 
David, I'm glad you mentioned the processing time. Whenever I'm moving that fast (I love it that way 'cause I can cover a whole school yard in an hour or two) I'll sometimes get a real doozy of a signal. As I rescan, I slow the searchcoil down and usually it's a coin spill, or two close objects, or the overload signals of large objects. My "secret" is sensitivity # 3 setting. At that speed, it almost is as deep as #4, but when I slow the coil down it doesn't overreact as much on the large objects and tabs near the surface. That, plus the signals seem to separate better and the ground signal and/or iron masking signals aren't as much of a factor in the signal processing. It's not for everybody, but it is fun and the Ace runs quieter and the signals at the schools, tot lots, etc. aren't that deep anyway. But hey! I think a quarter at 6" is pretty good!
 
khouse said:
My Ace 250 separates as good as any machine I have used. I have never thought it was slow. Heck I use the big coil and it easily picks good targets from trash. I like the relic mode with 4 to 5 bars of sens.
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Go back over the same area with the sniper coil and check out all the coins ya missed.... :surprised:
 
Hummmmmmmm. It only just occurred to me but I've noticed the Ace relic mode is almost
the same as "all metal" except on the first notch is missing in relic. Sooooo Since all metal IS deeper
I have to wonder how much depth is lost when switching to relic? I would not think that much
but what do I kanow.

Katz
 
There is no depth loss in discriminating on the Ace. But I find by running in all metal I'll can get an iron beep right next to a coin signal better than if I notch out the iron. Sometimes the coin beep is only one way too. Bong - ding means dig me up. Try it.
 
khouse said:
There is no depth loss in discriminating on the Ace. But I find by running in all metal I'll can get an iron beep right next to a coin signal better than if I notch out the iron. Sometimes the coin beep is only one way too. Bong - ding means dig me up. Try it.
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:devil:Don't tell me I've learned something else. Thanks.
 
There is depth loss on the progressive discriminating machines when you increase the disc. I personally haven't found any loss of depth on notch machines. Try notching out all notches except a 50 cent piece. Compare the depth with all notches and just a few. Now don't get this confused with true all metal mode.
 
khouse said:
There is no depth loss in discriminating on the Ace. But I find by running in all metal I'll can get an iron beep right next to a coin signal better than if I notch out the iron. Sometimes the coin beep is only one way too. Bong - ding means dig me up. Try it.
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Damn skippy, Kenny!

Iron is the greatest bugaboo we face, and most don't even know its messing them up - because they have it discriminated out!

It is hard to hunt in iron mode all the time, but at least some part of your time should be spent using it. That way you become familiar with a sites iron masking potential.
 
Now you got me confused. Isn't all metal mode on the ace true all metal?
Whats the difference? What IS true all metal?
Katz
 
I agree Dave. I'll cherry pick a site first. Then everytime I hunt the same area I lower the disc until eventually I'm running all metal. Then I'll throw the SNIPER on!
 
True all metal mode on the ACE is holding the pinpoint button down. If all your notches are accepting then that's called disc all metal mode. That mode doesn't go all the way down. It's close but it's not all the way. A quirk about the Ace is that it will detect deeper that it will pinpoint. Usually that's not the case.
 
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