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anybody thinking about jumping in and trying the f44 yet??

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Mark ( ohio )

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if its as good as my ace 350 and has the weatherproof control box to boot... hmmm I may be a switchin..

Hollar if ya wanna share some thoughts..

Mark ( ohio )
 
I am in a couple of months after a big move across the country we have planned.
I need something that goes from land to shallow water without worrying, getting caught in the rain, too.
Look at the newest vid that Keith did.
When he hit a 13" nickel and 10" dime in his soil, a test he wasn't even planning on doing because he was sure this thing wouldn't see them, it kind of rocked him back on his heels a bit.
He has southern soil, too, I don't think this was perfect conditions for a unit at this price or many others at a higher price point, either.

I am moving back to Birmingham Alabama, land of some of the most challenging soil you have ever seen.
Not only the heavy mineralization the southeast is known for, but we have the extra added bonus of naturally occurring iron ore infused into a lot of the soil.
Run a magnet through it and tiny nodules of iron will come up.
They don't call Birmingham the Steel City for nothing.
In the worst of that devil dirt nobody I ever heard of with any machine can get decent depth.
I am considering a PI for certain spots because we all suspect there is a layer of old coins still there that nobody can reach and most of the shallow stuff has been scooped up by hunters in public areas since the 70's.
I still will probably get that PI, but this thing with the 7.69 frequency, the new coil configuration, the manual and ground tracking ground balancing and whatever other magic this thing could possibly have will be a welcomed and maybe well used addition to my arsenal for sure.
That's the plan, anyway.
 
REVIER said:
When he hit a 13" nickel and 10" dime in his soil, a test he wasn't even planning on doing because he was sure this thing wouldn't see them, it kind of rocked him back on his heels a bit.
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I'm skeptical. The air test had a nickel at 9" and he was hitting one at 13"? Hitting in the 70s with a high tone? I need to know more.
 
HT,

You need to watch the video for starters. Keith has used his test garden for years and his careful work and impartial reporting of results have earned him the trust of many. I'm sure you don't mean to challange his work or his veracity. Have a look at the video,
 
HAVE MINE ON ORDER. JUST WAITING ON BARTS E MAIL.LOL WATCHED KEITH VIDEO AND I THINK ON SOME OF THE PASSES WITH THE COINS WERE HELD A LITTLE LOW .ITJUST MAY BE ME NO OFFENSE MEANT.
 
Less depth inside, more depth outside in the dirt.
Yea, pretty surprising but I believe it for now, never seen Keith manufacture any other results before with any detector, and I will find out for myself one day.
As far as that high tone that is not surprising at all.
I can change nickels to high tones on my F70, I believe you can do this on this one too.
I don't think he set it that way so this is something else.
When I hit a tab on my F70 way deep, say 8-910" or so, the silly things also change into a high tone every time and not just for me, either.
Numbers show high too, like a dime and I am talking about solid, repeatable signals.
This is just a Fisher quirk, I guess, so deep nickels as a high tone on the 44, totally within reason to me.
 
I don't want to get into trouble here. I'm not as familiar with Keith as many here, it seems. I am not in any way questioning what I see on the video as untruth. If I bought a F44 and it found nickels all day long at 12-13", I would join the choir. But I've seen too many video's to put "all" my trust in them. I watched one where the guy said he was picking up his buried 10" dime with a Platinum. He dug the dime and measured it at 8". His comment was that he buried it two years ago and added the 2" figuring it sank about an inch a year.

I'm not saying it's not true or in any way questioning Mr Southern's honesty. I'm saying "I don't know" and I need to see more people doing/saying the same thing before I jump in and say "WOW". There's a lot of people who say they get 16" on a quarter, and others who say "why am I only getting 8-10" with the same detector."

I'm just gun shy from jumping to conclusions before. :surrender:
 
Smart man.




quote=Hightone]
I don't want to get into trouble here. I'm not as familiar with Keith as many here, it seems. I am not in any way questioning what I see on the video as untruth. If I bought a F44 and it found nickels all day long at 12-13", I would join the choir. But I've seen too many video's to put "all" my trust in them. I watched one where the guy said he was picking up his buried 10" dime with a Platinum. He dug the dime and measured it at 8". His comment was that he buried it two years ago and added the 2" figuring it sank about an inch a year.

I'm not saying it's not true or in any way questioning Mr Southern's honesty. I'm saying "I don't know" and I need to see more people doing/saying the same thing before I jump in and say "WOW". There's a lot of people who say they get 16" on a quarter, and others who say "why am I only getting 8-10" with the same detector."

I'm just gun shy from jumping to conclusions before. :surrender:[/quote]
 
Prudent to be cautious, nicely put Hightone.

However, If,my new F44 doesn't hit buried targets deeper than air tested ones, I'm not going to flip out. The ground is so variable and to a degree unpredictable.

Minelab fans have argued for years that their machines "don't air test well". I always poo-pooed it. Maybe there is something to it.
 
Thats how bad the dirt is...the Fishers Up average in mineral. and around iron in general on co locate's..

But it is a Nickle down there I promise you that.....you notice the dime goes up to 95 at times....

I'm not trying to sell you a metal detector though and I dont get anything out of showing you the detctor..I had to ask permission to even talk about it..Im not required from field testign it to talk about it... but I knew people were interested.. I still see it as a GOOD unit for little money.. ought to give the lower end models from other companys a run ....

It actually surprised me hearing the Nickle since it wont airtest one that deep..I figured a no go...and the dime would be pushing it ...

Unless theres an anomaly with the soil and machine not harmonizing it is what it is...My omega wouldnt hit those coins by the way.. and I consider the Omega a more powerful low Khz unit...that teardrop coil might be more specialized than we Know...

I actually dug a couple of DEEP 3 ringers in aspot with better soil at the 10 inch range and it left me cratching my head on those..

Hopefully when other's get out in the field there will be some better universal depth gauging to complete data from..

1 spot in 1 area doesnt tell the whole tale..

Ive coined the phrase on the F44... SNEAKY DEPTH.. because thats what it gives you ..It seems to like SOIL MATRIX

Keith
 
I have a quarter buried 8" down in my AZ dirt for 5 years now - nicely settled. Several machines I have now or have had previously can hit this. The ones with VDI all uniformely give readouts above where a Quarter should be..
 
I should have one coming pretty soon and will do some tests (video) also. I have pretty mild soil so most detectors perform pretty good in it.
 
It's a good informative video and you did a stellar job showing it's capabilities. I hope it reacts for everyone with that type depth.
 
In my dirt all the 7.69khz FTP machines max on coins 3" less than air test depth and the dirt hear is no minerals (machine wont even auto GB) to 2 bar dirt. Considering the strong all metal response I'm not surprised it ticked in disc. That's the same response I would get on a 7" nickel here. But all the machines I test get less depth in ground than others for some reason.
 
For some unknown reason, my F75 has picked up objects in the dime to quarter size at 14-16" deep and air depth is a bit less at 12".

I totally believe what Keith is showing!
 
If the detector has ground tracking, tracking needs to be turned off (Locked) when air testing.
It is not right to leave the coins within the magnetic field of the coil after testing, because the influence the magnetic field of the coil and block depth of the next coin.
If the table the coil is placed on has some screws in it it will block depth of the tested coins too.
If his belt buckle is next to the coil while testing it blocks the depth of the tested coins.

I believe his ground tests are true, but his air tests are probably done wrong.

Andy,NM
 
When I watched the video, I felt that Keith was being pretty conservative in hos air tests. It looked to me like he was underestimating the depth he was getting, perhaps due to paeallax due to his fiew point of the yardstick.
 
Hi Mark,
How many units are there priced under $400 that let you assign tones to categories or targets? None. Well....that is not true....the QXT allowed you to assign a high tone to a target category and sometimes you can find those for around $200 if you can live with the performance.

But looking at the F44, you have 9 categories, and you can assign each of those categories one of 5 tone options. I like that. I pay big bucks for a V3 just to do that.

I can see me, as a jewelry hunter, assigning a mid tone to foil, high tone to nickel, mid tone to tab, low tone to zinc, and maybe a VCO tone for coins. Or maybe a VCO tone for for foil and nickels, mid tone for tabs and zinc and high tone for coins, or ....what ever floats your boat for what you want it to do. Coin hunters could do VCO for zinc and up and a mid tone or combinations below....a lot of possibilites.

And the all the segments can be notched in or out. The guys on the beach that don't want to hear the clad can turn it off or give a tone that alerts them to it pressence but doesn;t make them waste time recovering.

The in-ground performance looks good. Lots of accessory coils already in place. Looks hard to go wrong with one.

HH
Mike
 
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