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So I often hear Bryce describe his deep signals as 1-way. Are we talking 1 way as in you sweep back and forth from 1 directinon and you hear it, turn 90 degrees and you don't...or are we talking about the signals where you swing back and forth, but only hear the signal on the swing to the right, or swing to the left, but not both.

Are most of the deep signals you hear still the high pitched flutey type sounds? I understand the screen is less accurate, but is the sound still fairly consistant?

Thanks
Aaron
 
to me...there's iffy signals...then ther's sweet iffy signals I take a chance on.
I'm talking one way nice hit ...as to sweep and return sweep both being sweet...not just sweet on the initial sweep...then disappearing on the return sweep.
It's a sweet fluty tone that hits...then hits again on the return sweep. This same hit usually will break up or even disappear once you start to circle the hole. In that one spot though...it will be a sweet...then a sweet return hit. These types of signals are the ones I play with...wiggle the coil...and sometimes take a chance on. Sometimes I'm rewarded with a coin hiding in the iron..and sometimes I'm not.
 
I can see where what I stated would be confusing. It confused me too. :crylol:I worded it wrong and I apologize.
The sweet hit I am referring to is a TWO way hit and hits BOTH on the initial sweep and return sweep...BUT it repeats from only ONE way or angle. When you start to circle the possible target...it breaks up or disappears and does not repeat. If this particular signal doesn't sound hollow...and in fact has a nice warble to it...AND repeats in just that one spot....if it sounds sweet enough...I'll sometimes take a chance on it.
 
I was a little lost when reading this myself. Thanks for clearing it up.
 
Quote:When you start to (circle the hole...)it breaks up or disappears and does not repeat.
So you are referring to a target after digging the initial plug?Thanks Ray.
 
the first initial hit of the target as I'm trying to make my decision as to dig or not to dig.
Now I see I've used the word "hole" instead of "possible target".
I meant to say "as I circle the target".
Now you see what hanging out with G has done to my train of thought:detecting:
I'll go edit my response real quick.
Thanks,
-Bryce
 
I thought that was what you meant but wanted to be sure.And I understand what you are saying about the impact the "G" has on a persons normally clear train of thought :rofl:
PS. Keep up the great job as moderator.:thumbup::clapping:
 
Thanks for the question & answer. That's really good info. I would like to take the question a bit further if I may. It seems on 90% of nails, I can get them to give me a good non-ferrous one-way signal from a certain angle (both on the sweep & return sweep) and the cursor is somewhere in the top right just like a wheat or silver and maybe occasionally bouncing to top middle. When I circle the target, the signal nulls completely at about 30 degrees off from the "good" angle. I usually just ignore these as they have always been a nail. What are some specific indicators that indicate I should take a chance and dig?
 
the method I use is ONLY my way of doing it. I'm sure there are many more ways of tryin' to keep from getting "punked" by iron...while trying NOT to leave a coin in the ground.

Back to your question...for the method of "chance" I use...If I get that sweet warble I'm looking for and it hits nicely on that initial 2 way hit...I'll just sit there and keep going back and forth from the one angle it hits from..trying to make it null...break up, etc. If it stays sweet in that one spot and continues to give the sweet 2 way hit...I'm digging. I don't care if it nulls everywhere else...breaks up, etc. If it gives the sweet warble and it repeates on both sweeps...I'm taking a chance on it.
Take care buddy...and I hope some others can chime in here.
 
You've gotten some good attempts at answering your question so far. The thing I would add, is that questions about sounds, tones, whispers, repeatibility, swing speed, etc... are nearly impossible to answer in print. It would be like asking someone: "Please describe the sound of C-minor in printed text". It can't be done. It has to be heard.

When I first got the Explorer, I pulled my hair out trying to understand all the tooty-flooty tones. I emailed some buddies who were aces at pulling deep silver from the parks. I asked them the same questions about "what does the deepies sound like". Try as they may, in printed email replies, it made no sense once I got into the field. Everything sounded the same, etc... FINALLY I hooked up with one of these aces, who flagged some deep 7" and 8" type silver dime/wheatie type signals. I watched the way they swung, listened in to what they were listening for, compared it to adjacent cr*p they told me they'd pass, etc... THEN the "lights went on". You see? It has to be shown and heard. Printed text can almost never describe things that have to be shown by actual flagged targets, hearing the tone an ace trying to isolate, etc...

About the closest a person can get to this without actually going with a proficient user to the field, is perhaps to hear and see it on Youtube clips.
 
For me i dont think its hitting those 7 or even 8 inch targets. I would like to know Bryce are you talking targets close to iron or deep targets whey you say iffy? I get those targets i can "wiggle" into a constant tone and seemingly make them move to the right side of the smartscreen. Im talking targets way low on the depth screen reading where you dont know if you arent centering the target correctly, dealing with IM, or wrap around. Those to me are the iffy targets... otherwise at say 7" im pretty sure the TID isnt being fooled very often. Well maybe it is and im just walking over targets. Some of its your hunting style. I hunt sometimes with a guy that does a super job. Our styles are different.... he swings a little faster than me, he digs more targets than i do, but you know what ive noticed is ... he tries to recognize those spots where the soil may have had little change such as fill dirt. We have tested each others targets so im pretty sure im hearing what he is. So if you get an opportunity to hunt with a talented hunter, observe how he hunts and try to pick up some trick he uses that makes him stand out.

Dew
 
regardless of depth.
That's the only aspect I was referring to...just as to how I personally try to differentiate a possible coin hiding in the iron...from iron falsing.
In other words...how I make the final decision whether or not to take a chance on an "iffy iron" hit
Take care bud
 
Thanks Bryce... i think we are on the same sheat of music now. I thought you were talking about those 10" targets you been digging and was trying to explain what makes a good dig on those. Ive got a pretty good handle on the sweet deeper sounds, but those next to Iron DEEP DEEP still befuddle me. I think it has a lot to do with making sure you are over the target. IMHO the Explorers with the DD and largers coils makes this centering a little more difficult. Mostly because the targets move down the coil and i dont think the VCO/pinpoint is that great. Its a learning process everytime you hunt.

Dew
 
pinpointing most of these possible targets:stars:
As soon as I hit pinpoint on most of them...the iron sucks the coil away from the original hit. I just sweep and resweep over the sweet spot...then sort of guess as to the center...and dig a nice sized plug:)
Take care buddy
 
It sounds like I passed up some targets I should have dug. So when you're hitting it from that one direction, you're listening for any null at all? I run IM at 20, would you recommend lower? Thanks for your advice, it's as good as gold and you've really helped me become quite formiddable to coins with the SE.

I think I'll go back to this area that I and a few others have pounded the crap out of over the past month and try it with the 6" Excel, digging some of the more iffy suspects.
 
Your analogy is right on target - what does a C# note or C Major chord sound like? It can't be described in text - that's why having some of the aces at pulling silver out of hammered or trashy sites try and record some of these sounds would be such a valuable learning tool. I myself tend to shy away from these types of targets mostly due to time constraints - I have a hard enough time finding some time to detect. Maybe we should pool some money and pay some of these guys to do it or offer a prize for best samples. If someone can describe a good recording setup I may even try it myself from NJ. How about it Tom - you're no rookie. Anyone else willing to give it a try? :shrug: I'd be willing to put all the samples together with pics and/or video on a DVD and distrubute it to those interested.
 
That's just my personal preference. Any more open...and I start digging too much iron. Any more closed...and my SE doesn't hit deep coins while in a null.
Trust me...you're gonna' dig some iron...but you just might have a couple keepers pop out now and then too:thumbup:
Take care B
 
Erik, although this Youtube clip a friend and I did awhile back, was not done for purposes, per se, of sampling deep coin explorer whispers, yet it does have a few samples of such.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jl_5J3ioBk

I flagged a deep coin sounding target with an Explorer, at a school turf known for harboring a few deepies still. The first explorer pass at the 2:50 mark, was in ferrous mode. The same target was gone over again in conductive mode at 8:05. This was not a super deep target (ie.: "I've chased deeper" :)), but none-the-less, it was what I would have surmised was perhaps a wheatie or silver at 7 or 8" type target. It turned out to be an old cigarrette lighter at 10", with a 1910 patent date on it.

Then at 11:05 I have another one flagged, but it's not really that deep. I surmised in the video that it was a penny/dime at 5 or 6". Turned out to be a clad dime at about 5", if I recall.

Ok, you owe me a 12 pack of a good dark beer now :)
 
I get what you're saying about circling the hole and then digging anything that sounds sweet in both directions from at least one angle.
I've taken a similar approach, and definitely dug a few nice things because of it. I generally hunt in all metal, which makes me keenly aware of just how much darn iron there is scattered around. It's no surprise a lot of things only sound sweet from one angle, given how much crud is usally in close proximity.
 
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