Baloon squeeking sound

[pplinker]

Have had new Deus for 1 week. Finding mostly pull tabs. Granted they're down there 4 to 6 inches. I'm used to the Minelab sounds. I hear sounds like the squeaky sounds of someone twisting a balloon animal, but they are always weak so i figure it's some little scrap of foil halfway to China. I have found some incredibly small things 5 or 6 inches deep. Like a little half inch cotter pin and a tiny electrical connection so small i just don't know how it could pick it up. I've used it enough to have to re-charge the coil battery.

A lot of people have said they hunt by sound. The balloon squeaking sound, or maybe what someone called the cat's purring. Does that just mean it's deep? I know what a clad quarter sounds like, it's nice and loud and high pitched. I only know that because of air tests. Do not find many, most of the tones I'm hearing are more like low beeps and are usually pull tabs and occasionally a beat up penny.

Is there some place to go online to hear the specific sounds or should i just keep air testing. It is hard time understand the videos with the Australian? guy because of the accent.

Thanks for any help.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Have had new Deus for 1 week. Finding mostly pull tabs. Granted they're down there 4 to 6 inches. I'm used to the Minelab sounds. I hear sounds like the squeaky sounds of someone twisting a balloon animal, but they are always weak so i figure it's some little scrap of foil halfway to China. I have found some incredibly small things 5 or 6 inches deep. Like a little half inch cotter pin and a tiny electrical connection so small i just don't know how it could pick it up. I've used it enough to have to re-charge the coil battery.

A lot of people have said they hunt by sound. The balloon squeaking sound, or maybe what someone called the cat's purring. Does that just mean it's deep? I know what a clad quarter sounds like, it's nice and loud and high pitched. I only know that because of air tests. Do not find many, most of the tones I'm hearing are more like low beeps and are usually pull tabs and occasionally a beat up penny.

Is there some place to go online to hear the specific sounds or should i just keep air testing. It is hard time understand the videos with the Australian? guy because of the accent.

Thanks for any help.

Interesting you bring this up. I was about to ask the same question. I too am used to the Minelab sounds. I too have had the Deus for about a week. I'm finding, at least to me, that hunting in 5 sounds to me, the sounds are not as crisp as hunting in 3 or 2 sounds.
I could be wrong and need to test it out some more. It could be on this old farm I live on that has a lot of trash in the yards has just been picking up trash targets and that is what trash targets sound like? In my test garden with 5 sounds, the coins do give off a much better, more distinct, tone.

 

[undrpar]

I use 4 tone and deep coins sound the same as shallow ones as far as tone goes,the signal is just fainter.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

I use 4 tone and deep coins sound the same as shallow ones as far as tone goes,the signal is just fainter.

Do you think pplinker and I are using too much power and that this causes the strange sounds?

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

They state this:

Low reactivity (0, 1) = long sound
High reactivity (3, 4, 5) = short sound

"Evidently the length of any false signals—the crackling of iron for example—will vary proportionately as well.
You are therefore advised not to constantly change the reactivity level, as this may interfere with your ability to distinguish good and bad sounds."

So maybe your Reactivity level is low causing the longer sounds?

 

[Architex]

http://www.xp-detectors.co.uk/

watch all the classroom videos....use your machine.......watch them again. Every time you do that you hear more answers that you didn't have questions for until you used your machine.
The guy is British, not Australian and not that hard to understand. Also you tube has a great many deus videos.

 

[pplinker]

I use 4 tone and deep coins sound the same as shallow ones as far as tone goes,the signal is just fainter.

Do you think pplinker and I are using too much power and that this causes the strange sounds?

I'm just using the basic program, Tony, and haven't adjusted the power up or down.

I dug one of those weak squeaky sounds thinking maybe it is silver. It was a pop tab 8 inches deep, measured it with the pinpointer. IThat depth is pretty impressive, actually. Maybe if you were at a very old place where all the deep stuff sunk before pull tabs were invented then you could be more sure of digging coins. But where I'm at, if I dig all the deep squeekies and they're pull tabs, it's going to be like a plowed field.

 

[squirrel1]

Alright, to answer some questions here.

Deus on shallower targets will act more like a beep and dig unit.
And give correct or near correct Vdi to boot.

On smaller rings like 22 hulls, smaller foil, Deus can pick this up at shallow and mid depths.
Tone will generally be shorter, and coil sweep and or position more sentive.
ID may or may not be displayed.
If a correct ID is displayed and you are running normalization On, expect to see ID in the 30s and 40s.
Now if the targets is deeper, I'd maybe higher than actual and could be as high as 97,98, or no ID reported.

Deeper targets on Deus, will not make a full filled fledged tone sound.
What a user will hear is a gradual ramp up, a short plateau and ramp down on the other side as they sweep.
It will usually be consistent , after you find the best coil,sweep speed.
If the target is not smooth or is abrupt sounding, this indicates possibly partially masked nonferous or even iron.

Users of Deus should remember, the indications the Deus gives a user is dependent on settings.

For example, we will take the 11" coil here.
If we sweep say a nickel on top of the ground. in 12khz non normalized it will read 56.
If we airtest the nickel, it will for the most part read 56,, as a person gets the nickel farther form the coil, it may read higher, or give no ID at all.

A special note here for new Deus users.
Air testing of coins and even jewelry can mislead users of how Deus actually works in the field ID wise.
Pay close attention here.

Get yourself a US nickle, this is a very good target item to see the Deus tendencies.
Again sweep this nickle with nickel laying over clean ground , and as you sweep continue to sweep and note ID readings.

Before I go any further here,I mentioned Deus behavior can depend on settings, meaning the tone, ID,, horseshoe shading.

Remember this example is using 11" coil.
Users of the 11" coil will find reactivity levels 3 and 4 to provide for the most part what we call maximum separation/unmasking capabilities of Deus.

Reactivity levels 0,1,2, 2.5 will yield a user more depth less separation overall.

So take your nickel and bury at 5" and sweep varying reactivity,settings ,, stay in 12khz and consider placing silencer setting at 0 or 1.
Next bury nickel at 7" deep.
Notice what happens to ID of nickel when reactivity 4 is selected.
Try the other reactivity settings and note id.
Now bury nickel at 8" deep.
And again use all reactivity settings, note how the tone sounds.
Next bury nickel at 9" deep and repeat, notice how as you lower reactivity the nickel 's tone is stronger and longer.
Next bury at 10" deep.
Here you'll find reactivity 4 likely nothing tone wise.
Reactvity 3 if you hear the nickel, very weak and short tone.
Lower to 2, an even stronger signal.
Lower to 1 a slightly stronger signal than level 1.

Now users should,notice, there will be a depth where Deus quits providing actual nickel ID (remember 56 ).
And instead of this 56 reading Deusnwill report Nickel higher, and may not report ID at all.
As you bury the nickel deeper and deeper, notice what happens to the horseshoe shading (depending on the reactivity setting)

Now when you set up,for this test consider setting your Deus up as follows.
12khz, sens 90, tx power 2, 3 tone- have highest tone set to come in at 70 Vdi., audio report 5, id norm off
When a person starts off here notice the nickel is a mid tone,,,but as depth deepens it turns into a high tone.

Meaning a deep nickel will sound just like a deeper dime or copper penny tone wise.

Also, users of Deus hunting for deeper nickels,,consider using freqs of 12 or 18khz.
4khz and 8khz, deeper nickels can slip by you.

Also remember pull tabs and other junk targets can also be reported as a high tone just like a good high conductive coin (shallow and deeper)

When a user listens to some planted deepe coins., I recommend 8" plus deep,,,,,you listen to the Deus here how it reports.
This will mimmick very closely to what you will hear in the field on solo sitting deeper targets.

Any more questions, or if I confused anyone here, Jauat say so or ask.

 

[pplinker]

Thank you, Squirrel1 for this very detailed and informative response. I have little hope in this lifetime of being able to converse and understand the different terms you use with such ease. But I can copy the settings and numbers you so helpfully provided and practice. Will bury some nickels and give it a try. I'm going to take a cylindrical piece of steel and drive it into the ground the proper distance, so it makes a neat hole and just drop the nickels in and then the ground will be mostly undisturbed.

Thank you for your help

 

[Goldpick]

If it helps, I came from using an Explorer SE Pro and Etrac, mainly using an open screen. The tones/program that made the transition quite easy for me was utilising the HOT program with fulltones. The thing I especially like about using fulltones is information gained on target sizing and depth from the audio modulation and VCO vs a more typical "beep & dig" program which can be pretty "one dimentional" in terms of tones. It can be a bit of an ear full at first, though once you get used to using fulltones you will see the benefits on offer - like being able to pick out a deep silver coin adjacent to shallower non-ferrous targets purely off the audio report.

I usually run minimal discrimination, and only utilise notching for modern coinage - everything else from older coinage to relics is all done purely on audio alone.

Once again there is no substitute for decent number of hours detecting in the field to come to terms with what you should or shouldn't be digging, and unfortunately that includes initially digging plenty of junk targets to get your confidence up.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

If it helps, I came from using an Explorer SE Pro and Etrac, mainly using an open screen. The tones/program that made the transition quite easy for me was utilising the HOT program with fulltones. The thing I especially like about using fulltones is information gained on target sizing and depth from the audio modulation and VCO vs a more typical "beep & dig" program which can be pretty "one dimentional" in terms of tones. It can be a bit of an ear full at first, though once you get used to using fulltones you will see the benefits on offer - like being able to pick out a deep silver coin adjacent to shallower non-ferrous targets purely off the audio report.

I usually run minimal discrimination, and only utilise notching for modern coinage - everything else from older coinage to relics is all done purely on audio alone.

Once again there is no substitute for decent number of hours detecting in the field to come to terms with what you should or shouldn't be digging, and unfortunately that includes initially digging plenty of junk targets to get your confidence up.

Thanks Goldpick for the excellent post.
I am curious if you use the stock "HOT" program or do you have some favorite settings to get deeper with it?
Also, how do you do target sizing with that HOT program? Do you go by your pinpoint on the detector? I often use that to size a target if it's shallow. A deep coin hit, as you know, will give a very small footprint for pinpointing.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Around my house, just yesterday after work I was testing my Deus. Some targets were so deep that only a teeny bit of upperright horseshoe was registering. No VDI #'s reported. Just a high sound.
So I thought I'd dig to see what it was. Deep in the hole was a very small rusted nail and off to the side of the hole was a larger rusted nail. I dug down around 15 or so inches and
my Garrett pinpointer found nothing so I covered the hole. Is this normal for the Deus, I'm curious if you have experienced this and what you do. Is there a way to tell if it is a good target or bad target?
The yard at the old farm I live on is littered with iron nails.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

n/t

 

[LTimedigger]

Thanks for your informative info. I come from ML too. I completely see the advantages of full tones for relic or field hunting where iron is your primary enemy. But I've had trouble understanding its merits in areas where tons of modern trash reigns and where you can't adjust tone breaks. I'm tempted to try full again in these areas. Do most people who use full tones actually learn when they have a "blended" tone? An expansion of your comment is appreciated.

 

[martygene]

the tips of rusted nails are a fooler for sure. try turning 90 degress and sweep to see if you get an iron grunt. sometimes that helps... sometimes not. that high pitched squeak is still something to pay attention to. detecting still isn't an exact science.. yet.

Around my house, just yesterday after work I was testing my Deus. Some targets were so deep that only a teeny bit of upperright horseshoe was registering. No VDI #'s reported. Just a high sound.
So I thought I'd dig to see what it was. Deep in the hole was a very small rusted nail and off to the side of the hole was a larger rusted nail. I dug down around 15 or so inches and
my Garrett pinpointer found nothing so I covered the hole. Is this normal for the Deus, I'm curious if you have experienced this and what you do. Is there a way to tell if it is a good target or bad target?
The yard at the old farm I live on is littered with iron nails.

 

[squirrel1]

A person will get fooled by deep iron on occasion using any Vlf detector really.
Now, version 4 Deus,,what I find is if a user runs using 9" coil,disc lower than -2.5 you are opening yourself up to possibly digging more deep iron (be fooled)
For the 11" coil disc setting of less than -1.5 the same as above.

Turning 90 degrees can be used to try and discern deep iron vs nonferrous,,,not absulote here,,,could still be a deep nonferrous.
Or turning 90 degrees and if a user receives worthy tone, this too could,be deep iron vs nonferrous.

I find repeatability of tone as one sweeps, can help some.
A user will have to set up their own odds wise as to how many times they sweep vs how good , or no tone is presented.

Changing settings on Deus can help,,,like frequency.
Turn off to power 3 if applicable can help.

Ground balance,,here is some thing that needs consideration.
If possible try and do a very good ground balance, near suspect target.

Remember as the ground balance is lowered below actual ground phase reading, ferrous can and will start sounding awfully good tone wise.
This is one fo the reasons, I don't recommended tracking.GB in areas with lots of trash and nails.

Users using tracking ground balance,,,monitor your tracking number and notice how aligned it is with what detector is sensing.
If you see these numbers get far apart,,,I suggest folks get out of tracking GB function.
If a user is using xy screen,along with tracking GB,,the data supplied with ground tracking is suspect or seems not to be so much realtime.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

I lined up nails, pull tabs, bottle cap , buffalo nickel, silver dime, copper penny, silver quarter.
I used the FAST program and the coins do sound kind of like a balloon squeeking sound. It's hard to explain.
They don't come across as a clear bell tone. Is this what it sounds like on your Deus?

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

If you go here, you can hear the normal sounds the Deus puts out:
YouTube video on what sounds sound like on the Deus

Maybe in the future update they can emulate the sounds of a Minelab Explorer and other detectors?
I'm sure Andy Sabisch could get them to do this. He may have a lot of pull with XP.

Personally, I think it would be cool if Deus also had a voice come on when you pass over a target and it would say: "I'd dig that if I were you. I give it a 98% chance that that's a silver coin."
Kind of like the voice on your GPS in your car.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

If you watch this video, you will see what the Deus is supposed to sound like:
XP Deus Sounds

Maybe the next update they can give choices of what you want sounds to sound like.
Maybe you could pick the sounds of a Minelab Explorer or other metal detector sounds.
I bet Andy Sabisch could run this by them at the XP headquarters.

 

[Blank Planet]

think relic hunters might have a harder time or not? I wouldn't have dug most of those targets in the 1st vid as they sounded like rubbish (not round) so as a coin and ring detector the audio has some good tells , granted 100 hrs is a minimum on a detector I want to learn then after the 1st 100 hrs the lights start to go on.

sometimes quickly sometimes slowly but time and digging and paying attention to what sound goes with what target just takes time..

I have a minelab if I want to listen to a minelab