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Batteries....?
- Thread starter Reddog777
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MarkCZ
Well-known member
A good battery is one that holds up well and gives you the most detecting time! (Premium Battery)
An okay battery will not hold out as long, but if the price is right they hold out well enough!
A cheap battery might die before you really get a good start at hunting, (not good at any price)
All detectors of the past decade or so runs on regulated voltage. That means that for example if the detector runs on a 9 volt battery the detector is isn't actually running at 9 volts, its running on a regulated lesser voltage of like 5 volts, maybe 6 volts.
So, when the detector indicates a low battery its saying the battery is getting near or is at the 5 to 6 volt range. So its not really dead, but the detector will not continue to run below its true rated voltage need and most of them will either beep or just shut down when the battery voltage gets low enough.
So, a good battery or a bad battery isn't going to help or change the performance of the detector other than durability (run time)
Good branded batteries will most of the time store better than cheap ones too, that means in the case where they are left stored in a device they're not as likely to leak acid as quick as the junk batteries. (Don't store your detector with batteries in it)
But, if your thinking you might get and extra 1" of depth with brand X verses brand Z its just not going to happen.
Mark
An okay battery will not hold out as long, but if the price is right they hold out well enough!
A cheap battery might die before you really get a good start at hunting, (not good at any price)
All detectors of the past decade or so runs on regulated voltage. That means that for example if the detector runs on a 9 volt battery the detector is isn't actually running at 9 volts, its running on a regulated lesser voltage of like 5 volts, maybe 6 volts.
So, when the detector indicates a low battery its saying the battery is getting near or is at the 5 to 6 volt range. So its not really dead, but the detector will not continue to run below its true rated voltage need and most of them will either beep or just shut down when the battery voltage gets low enough.
So, a good battery or a bad battery isn't going to help or change the performance of the detector other than durability (run time)
Good branded batteries will most of the time store better than cheap ones too, that means in the case where they are left stored in a device they're not as likely to leak acid as quick as the junk batteries. (Don't store your detector with batteries in it)
But, if your thinking you might get and extra 1" of depth with brand X verses brand Z its just not going to happen.
Mark
hammer0419
Member
There are HUGEEEEEE differences in battery quality. It is most evident in a "demanding" devise. I am also into RC vehicles and helicopters which are battery hogs. From actual experience, cheap batteries have cost me more in the end instaed of buying the best first. A good battery makes all the difference in the world.
NEBeachcomber
Member
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Now if your talking REALLY cheap batteries (junk batteries) then they can be so bad that they could cause problems it strange ways!
Years ago I bought some junk batteries for a flash light, they worked but the light would fade in and out of bright to deem, it was like they couldn't deliver a smooth constant power.
They're batteries that are such junk that it should be against the law to even sell them.
I do like the high drain nickle metal rechargeable batteries and some mid range dry cell's for back up (just to get me back home).
I Know No Names but I can't help it LOL!
But sometimes what I do is I might get some lower price batteries for the kids toys (they just visit on the weekends) but this is also one way to get an idea about a unknown battery.
The wife picked some up this past weekend and my grandson hasn't run his little remote (cheap) toy tank down yet. So I'm thinking about getting out a AA flash light and putting them to that test. If the light stays constant and burns for good while then they might be put on the list of batteries for backup (get me home batteries).
These are "Maxell Alkaline" AA's (they are Gold, white & blue) $6.00 for twenty.
Now don't run right out and buy a bunch of these because the verdict is still out on them, but so far they are promising for backups.
What I'm saying in this post is that its possible to find some good prices on decent batteries but its a good idea to check them out in other stuff first and even if they check out to be pretty good then at lest they would probably be good backup batteries.
Mark
Years ago I bought some junk batteries for a flash light, they worked but the light would fade in and out of bright to deem, it was like they couldn't deliver a smooth constant power.
They're batteries that are such junk that it should be against the law to even sell them.
I do like the high drain nickle metal rechargeable batteries and some mid range dry cell's for back up (just to get me back home).
I Know No Names but I can't help it LOL!
But sometimes what I do is I might get some lower price batteries for the kids toys (they just visit on the weekends) but this is also one way to get an idea about a unknown battery.
The wife picked some up this past weekend and my grandson hasn't run his little remote (cheap) toy tank down yet. So I'm thinking about getting out a AA flash light and putting them to that test. If the light stays constant and burns for good while then they might be put on the list of batteries for backup (get me home batteries).
These are "Maxell Alkaline" AA's (they are Gold, white & blue) $6.00 for twenty.
Now don't run right out and buy a bunch of these because the verdict is still out on them, but so far they are promising for backups.
What I'm saying in this post is that its possible to find some good prices on decent batteries but its a good idea to check them out in other stuff first and even if they check out to be pretty good then at lest they would probably be good backup batteries.
Mark
Big Boys Hobbies
Well-known member
Duracells or energizes work well.
MarkCZ
Well-known member
[/quote]No, I was not thinking that at all. I just ask have any one notice a difference in performance with difference batteries.[/quote]
I addressed the fact that a lot of people don't know about electronic devices running on regulated voltage, a LOT of people think if they could find a battery with a little more power that their detector will do more, might ID better, get better signal strength, ect....
So went my reply.
Had you ask if cheap batteries will perform as well as a expensive batteries and as just a battery comparison, I would not have even replied at all. But you ask if they are some battery out there that is going to hot rod your detector!
The answer to that is NO!
Are they a battery that could give your detector more run time YES!
Mark
Performance. Signal Strength, Target ID, ect...... you can put my comment in the "ect" part of your statement seeing how your title post referred to boosting the general performance, especially the "Signal Strength" part.you wrote said:
I addressed the fact that a lot of people don't know about electronic devices running on regulated voltage, a LOT of people think if they could find a battery with a little more power that their detector will do more, might ID better, get better signal strength, ect....
So went my reply.
Had you ask if cheap batteries will perform as well as a expensive batteries and as just a battery comparison, I would not have even replied at all. But you ask if they are some battery out there that is going to hot rod your detector!
The answer to that is NO!
Are they a battery that could give your detector more run time YES!
Mark
No, I was not thinking that at all. I just ask have any one notice a difference in performance with difference batteries.[/quote]
I addressed the fact that a lot of people don't know about electronic devices running on regulated voltage, a LOT of people think if they could find a battery with a little more power that their detector will do more, might ID better, get better signal strength, ect....
So went my reply.
Had you ask if cheap batteries will perform as well as a expensive batteries and as just a battery comparison, I would not have even replied at all. But you ask if they are some battery out there that is going to hot rod your detector!
The answer to that is NO!
Are they a battery that could give your detector more run time YES!
Mark[/quote]
Mark, I did not ask about any bateries that give detectors more power to hot rod any detectors. You do not know what I or a lot of people think unless you are physic. Then if you are, you don't need detector. Just use you physic abilities to find your targets. I know about regulated voltage and not all batteries have regulated voltage because of poor manufacturing which causes voltage drops. An affect can be positive or negative. Don't assume if you think that you know more that some people that you know it all. You don't and you never will.
Performance. Signal Strength, Target ID, ect...... you can put my comment in the "ect" part of your statement seeing how your title post referred to boosting the general performance, especially the "Signal Strength" part.you wrote said:
I addressed the fact that a lot of people don't know about electronic devices running on regulated voltage, a LOT of people think if they could find a battery with a little more power that their detector will do more, might ID better, get better signal strength, ect....
So went my reply.
Had you ask if cheap batteries will perform as well as a expensive batteries and as just a battery comparison, I would not have even replied at all. But you ask if they are some battery out there that is going to hot rod your detector!
The answer to that is NO!
Are they a battery that could give your detector more run time YES!
Mark[/quote]
Mark, I did not ask about any bateries that give detectors more power to hot rod any detectors. You do not know what I or a lot of people think unless you are physic. Then if you are, you don't need detector. Just use you physic abilities to find your targets. I know about regulated voltage and not all batteries have regulated voltage because of poor manufacturing which causes voltage drops. An affect can be positive or negative. Don't assume if you think that you know more that some people that you know it all. You don't and you never will.
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Reddog777 said:
I read your st**id question to mean what it said "Better Signal Strength" Target ID" "Ect" from one battery over another!
Now that your looking back on it you realize just how st**id your question really was, then you turn around and crap on me! I spent my good time trying to give you a fair answer to your question,
I wasn't being mean,
I was trying to be helpful,
My fist reply didn't belittle you or anybody else, it was a good reply based on your title post.
Then you fire back at me like I had done something wrong, What's up with that? (it was to late for you to use the edit option wasn't it)
What the h*** are you taking about in your statement?
You Wrote said:
There is No such thing as a battery having "regulated voltage" where did you come up with that at?
Its the electronic device that uses a regulator to regulate voltage.
good grief!
An electronic device that takes 12volt in total battery supply isn't running at 12volts, it could be 10volts or maybe even 8volts.
An electronic device that takes 9volts in total battery supply is probably running at 5 or 6volts.
So the answer to your st**id question is,
If a battery is of enough quality that it can supply enough voltage above your detector's regulated voltage then there will not be any improvement to your detector's ability in either,
you wrote said:
you wrote said:
you wrote said:
you wrote said:
Why am I wasting my time on you, my first post wasn't a bad post and I don't see any reason why you came back and blasted me.
I'm sorry if my post pi$$ed you off! I wasn't trying to do that, I just gave you an answer based on how I read your question. I didn't attack you at all in my first post. If the answer you were looking wasn't in my first post why didn't you pass it over and wait for one of the other posters to give you what you 'Wanted To Hear'.
Here I'll put the below in here because I'm getting the idea this is what you wanted to hear,
Duracell's in my detector increased the "Signal Strength" way more than Rayovac's and I also notice more stable target ID with copper tops, that's all I run!
Now on the "ect.." part of my detector with the Rayovac's I could run a little higher level of sensitivity than I could with the Copper Tops?
Mark
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Reddog777 said:
LOL! My physic abilities, that's good.
My comment about what people think wasn't being physic. I've been in on and read a good number of other forum topics and threads where this very thing has come up "Electronics using regulators to regulate battery voltage down to a much lower voltage" and as those topics unfolded a lot of the posters admitted they really didn't know that! so I stated a lot of people didn't know that, or didn't think that, boy that brushed you wrong :veryangry:
It doesn't matter to me what you know or what you don't know! who really gives a sh!!
You ask a question, I took it serious, I tried to reply with a real, sound answer just trying to be helpful and you got your panties all twisted up.
You Know That's Really Your Problem isn't it!
Reddog777, you asked a somewhat indirect question that was a bit vague (in some ways) and limiting (if we can't cite brand references).
MarkCZ provided a good answer below with regard to the detectors using regulated power to function which, basically, makes all the general performance similar. However, I'll throw my 2
MarkCZ provided a good answer below with regard to the detectors using regulated power to function which, basically, makes all the general performance similar. However, I'll throw my 2
TerraDigger
New member
Personally. I am a big fan of Low-Self-Discharge NimH Rechargeable Batteries. If you do alot of detecting, its a huge money saver in the long run. For AA, Sanyo Eneloops and can use just about any AA NiMH recharger. For 9v detectors, MAHA Imedion 9.6v and its specific 9.6v charger. These two brands last as long as alkalines. A*azon is best price on these. The downside to disposables is if you get a bad battery, you don't know which is the bad one. And it happens. In the field, unless you have a battery tester handy, you wind up having to replace the whole set. With rechargeables you know from the gate if a battery is bad, and have it replaced. Before going into the field. Just my two cents.
For my at pro i get about 18-20 hrs on dollar ge.,.,l batteries. I have used them alot and dont see much difference between them and duracell. 4 aa duracell-$3.50......8aadollar general -$2.50 .....just my observations on batteries. I could have never gotten away with that on my v3i. It was much higher demand on batteries.