best way to run T-2 on coins

[ccs]

What is best way to set up the T-2 for coin hunting?

 

[Elton]

Always GB (Fast Grab)
Sens 80 and up depending on stability
Tones ( I like 3 tones) Some like 2 tones #3 gives nickles and some jewelry high pitch. Uses both sampled and continuous analysis
Discrimination always for coins. set at 40. This pretty much eliminates small iron and Rusty Caps.

I get very good depth, few false signals and very, very few, if any, Rusty caps with this setting.

GB often as you move over the ground. Now I don't mean every 5 minutes, but every 15 -20 minutes this keeps the machine dead on stability.
Shoulder to shoulder sweeps has proven to work best in park settings. If you hear a high pitch hit mixed with lower tones..slow a little and go back over the target area. This seperates Silver mixed in with junk targets. It also allows you to isolate Indian Cents that come in all over the spectrum.

You always get better results with swing from shoulder to shoulder..and at a brisker swing rather than a slow methodical swing.

 

[earthmansurfer]

Always GB (Fast Grab)
Sens 80 and up depending on stability
Tones ( I like 3 tones) Some like 2 tones #3 gives nickles and some jewelry high pitch. Uses both sampled and continuous analysis
Discrimination always for coins. set at 40. This pretty much eliminates small iron and Rusty Caps.

I get very good depth, few false signals and very, very few, if any, Rusty caps with this setting.

GB often as you move over the ground. Now I don't mean every 5 minutes, but every 15 -20 minutes this keeps the machine dead on stability.
Shoulder to shoulder sweeps has proven to work best in park settings. If you hear a high pitch hit mixed with lower tones..slow a little and go back over the target area. This seperates Silver mixed in with junk targets. It also allows you to isolate Indian Cents that come in all over the spectrum.

You always get better results with swing from shoulder to shoulder..and at a brisker swing rather than a slow methodical swing.

Elton, I pretty much agree with you, but I'd want to listen to some of the iron if I can handle it, just to hear what is down there and if there is not much then it would be a great time to further investigate it to maybe pull a coin out.
The 3b mode was VERY good on checking bottle caps, but I never hunted in it first, just switched to it to check. The iron caps in germany hit much higher than 40 though...

I remember the T2 being a bit jumpy ID wise, so don't let the VID be the final determiner, leave that to your ears and instincts. This is especially true when targets are close to garbage and iron. (That said I'm in Germany so we don't get many coins up around dimes or quarters, most are in the nickel range.)

Why do you say better results with shoulder to shoulder swings. I'm not disagreeing but I swing my Omega with the 11" DD about 2ft past that on either side. I keep the coil head close to the ground. I often find coins on those outward sweeps. That said, I overlap on my next pass quite often. (As well as a 50% overlap in front).

 

[Elton]

The T2 is noted for it's quick response This gives the T2 a greater ability than other machines to locate and identify good targets surrounded by trash. It also allows you to sweep faster with very little risk of missing good targets. With other detectors users will narrow their sweep and loiter over targets The T2 is different ( Manual Suggestion).. with it's advanced signal sampling system (T2).. produces the most accurate target Id's with deliberate Shoulder width sweeps all the way across the target, even if the there are other targets nearby. IF YOU USE A NON-STANDARD SWEEP METHOD OR SPEED ( slow sweep or narrowed)) to check targets with the T2, the ID"S will bounce around more, and you run the risk of misidentifying the target. So Sweep shoulder to shoulder at a faster sweep speed for better depth, and better ID. if your looking for targets 8" to 10" or better deep..... (That's In my opinion, only with the T2).." per the manual instructions"..don't know about the Omega you mentioned, if you sweep past the shoulders on side to side move with the T2 your defeating the return swing speed needed for the process sampling to properly id the targets. So shoulder to shoulder works better for the way engineers designed the T2 to work best. Once I started doing as instructed my finds were deeeper with a better id on the targets.

I hope that explains why I suggested the shoulder to shoulder sweep. Give it a try and see if it works best for you too.

 

[earthmansurfer]

Thanks for the reply Elton. I think the Omega is just a hair slower than the T2 (I think the specs also show this) but we are splitting hairs to a point.

I still don't understand the shoulder sweep width. If I swing at a fast speed (same as your shoulder to shoulder speed) what is the difference if I go wider? I can see if I went slower (which I've experimented with but the filters are clearly fast as it seems to hurt, not help). I don't loiter over targets though I do check them often to get a better idea - it's fun for me, I pretty much dig all non-ferrous. But what it allows me to do is learn better what I'm hearing and I ALWAYS size the target with pinpoint. Works like a charm.

Dave Johnson has done some interesting things with these two units (clearly borrowing) - perhaps playing with the timing around iron, cause the way these machines work in iron (at least my Omega on coins) is excellent. If you guys are listening, please put out a high end Omega with more programability and a backlight (and trigger!).

 

[jim tn]

The Omega is somewhat slower then the T 2. Although with the Omega I hunt with a little slower swing speed then I did with the T 2 and my F 75/F 75LTD, I still use the shoulder to shoulder swing. Or very close to it anyway. This seems to allow me a good accurate overlap and I don't raise my coil off the ground, which one is often prone to do on wider swings. And, wide swings often result in small pieces of ground being missed at the ends of each swing as the swing has a tendency to ( arch a bit. I am not saying that happens to you earthmansurfer, but it does occur with some. Probably, though, not the scientific reasoning as Elton stated form the T 2 manual. HH jim tn

 

[Elton]

You stated....."I still don't understand the shoulder sweep width. If I swing at a fast speed (same as your shoulder to shoulder speed) what is the difference if"


I am fairly certain it is the time factor, and the process speed . Shoulder to shoulder swing gives you the two combined for the Electronics to function at max designed capabilities.Once you go beyond that "arch" (A good word) "maybe" . You more or less start the process over again with the sampling and constant readings. Hence you are not getting the full benefit of ID within the designed specifications of the processor reading abilities.If you take it to far over required swing area. In other words you are mudding up the whole picture within a designated viewing area.Once you see more on the left, or more on the right under the coil, you are causing the faster processor to do a new reading... You lose the initial ID benefit of the original sampling..You do not allow the machine to catch up to the swing ID it's capable of if you use the shoulder to shoulder swing. Going further than what machine is designed to do your forcing it to take new readings with the larger swing area.You still get the coins , but you also lose some possible good deep masked coins you would find if you let the machine do it's job. WE have to trust the detector..The T2 is a remarkable machine.

 

[earthmansurfer]

Thanks for taking the time on those explanations Elton. To some it's just important to know the "how" but I like to try to comprehend the "why" as well and you really helped. I wouldn't say I have it completely understood but I see what you are getting at.

I was thinking things linearly, like we both are going to cover the same amount of space in a given time, yours would be narrower and longer and mine would be wider and shorter. But I think what you are implying is that there is something in how they wrote the analysis, played with the timing, etc. that makes the shorter (and perhaps it's important to say overlapping) swings, significant to target identification.

I have to check my Omega manual - might as well, poor gal is in the shop. But I've started scouting and reading a book called "reading land" and that's allowing me to get ready for the next hunt!

Thanks again

 

[ccs]

Thanks for the great help.

 

[Elton]

n/t

 

[Elton]

Yep that's how I see it too. Dave and the guys got everything all working together for complete analysis of the targets under the coil... Shoulder to shoulder was the optimal range of all

 

[jbow]

Elton... you are using aprox a 2 ft swing in each direction as you walk? Or are you talking about once you have found a target and you are checking it? I assume you are talking about walking and swinging... actually, that sounds good to me. I knew from long ago that the T2 detects deeper when you use a faster swing and it gives a better TID if you move the coil all the way off the target in each direction while swinging fast. I, personally, don't care for this fast swing all the time and is one thing I really like about the BP mode on the LTDs and SEs, you can swing slower.

However, swinging a shorter arc will help me to better handle the fast swing. I never thought about it I just had a mindset of the "longer the arc, the better" but as long as the coil is moving over new ground... well, it is detecting new ground.

I really like my T2 but have not upgraded to 6.5 but mine is very stable... I hesitate to change anything... but I may on your recommendation (then if it is worse i'll have someone to blame), laff. J/K

Have you had a chance to try the T2 LTD or SE ?

Thanks for the great info, I like 3 tones or 3H and I like 2+ tones... i've never warmed up to DP. I agree with EMS about the BC mode. It really nails a crowncap. I bought the 5" coil for the T2 as soon as it came out and went to a place I have hunted a LOT for years. It is a large lawn on a hill what was a federal cavalry camp. I have pulled a LOT of carbine bullets of all kinds out of it but I don't find very many anymore... but the 5" coil found a .44 right away. I haven't used it much because I spent too much time on other new toys. I am going back over there with the T2 and Tejon to try some stuff. Sort of back to some basics for me.

Again, thanks for such a good post. Sometimes really simple things just never occour to me until someone says something... this shorter swing will make a big difference for me I think.

Julien

 

[Elton]

Elton... you are using aprox a 2 ft swing in each direction as you walk? Or are you talking about once you have found a target and you are checking it? I assume you are talking about walking and swinging... actually, that sounds good to me. I knew from long ago that the T2 detects deeper when you use a faster swing and it gives a better TID if you move the coil all the way off the target in each direction while swinging fast. I, personally, don't care for this fast swing all the time and is one thing I really like about the BP mode on the LTDs and SEs, you can swing slower.

However, swinging a shorter arc will help me to better handle the fast swing. I never thought about it I just had a mindset of the "longer the arc, the better" but as long as the coil is moving over new ground... well, it is detecting new ground.

I really like my T2 but have not upgraded to 6.5 but mine is very stable... I hesitate to change anything... but I may on your recommendation (then if it is worse i'll have someone to blame), laff. J/K

Have you had a chance to try the T2 LTD or SE ?

Thanks for the great info, I like 3 tones or 3H and I like 2+ tones... i've never warmed up to DP. I agree with EMS about the BC mode. It really nails a crowncap. I bought the 5" coil for the T2 as soon as it came out and went to a place I have hunted a LOT for years. It is a large lawn on a hill what was a federal cavalry camp. I have pulled a LOT of carbine bullets of all kinds out of it but I don't find very many anymore... but the 5" coil found a .44 right away. I haven't used it much because I spent too much time on other new toys. I am going back over there with the T2 and Tejon to try some stuff. Sort of back to some basics for me.

Again, thanks for such a good post. Sometimes really simple things just never occour to me until someone says something... this shorter swing will make a big difference for me I think.

Julien

#1.Yes Jbow.shoulder to shoulder, and moving forward as I swing.

#2. Yes you can blame me...that would be just like at home LOL..I get blamed for everything LOL hahahahahah

#3. No , sorry have not tried the LTD or Se models yet..

If the shorter swing doesn't work for you. "at least you tried it".... it is just a simple matter of going back to what you like.

 

[jbow]

#2. Yes you can blame me...that would be just like at home LOL..I get blamed for everything LOL hahahahahah

Well it all is your fault you know...



J

 

[Elton]

n/t

 

[Sky1]

I usually run Disc 41 with 3 or 4 tones but today I ran it all day using 1+ tones, disc 41 and sensitivity 85 and it kicked some serious tail. It was like there was no doubt when it was a coin vs junk. I could here the chop better on junk signals and was digging coins deeper than usual.

Either way, I just love my T2, what a great detector.