Bryce, would you record some souns of your deep coins?

[gates21]

I have a setup that I can record the sounds from the detector while still listening to them on my phones (just bought a splitter at radio shack). I would love (sure everyone else would too) for you to record some explorer sounds on the deep coins that you find. Heck, I'll even send you my recorder and splitter if you would take the time to do it.

Aaron

 

[Hotcz70]

Here's a link to my response to that same question from another forum member yesterday
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,945749,946660#msg-946660

There are just too many variables involved as my message says.

The best thing you can do is to just train your own ears for the sound that YOU like. We all have different preferences as to what sound we like. Once we find it...you just have to spend many hours familiarizing yourself with it.

Good luck hunting..and take care

 

[Erik in NJ]

Bryce, I read your other reply to this question and I'm not sure that I understand.....he can put in the same settings in his machine and use the same coil (for argument's sake - lets say you do it with the Pro coil) - the headphones are irrelevant since the signal will be split and recorded directly. Given, there might be some ground mineralization differences and moisture differences, but the impact of these factors is not a big issue - I think he would just like to hear what some of the guys on the forum that consistently find deeper coins are hearing. I don't think it's a matter of the sound that he or you "likes" as he may "like" the sound of a pull tab, but wants to find old coins. I think if one of the more experienced hunters here would record several samples of verified deep silver hits and iffy signals that turn out to be deep coins or coins near junk it would be a very big help to the newbies and even more experienced hunters.

It seems like Aaron is willing to send someone his recorder and his splitter setup in order to make things easy - with todays technology of easily being able to record waveforms and post them on the internet this should be a relatively easy undertaking and I'm surprised with all of the talent here that someone has not already done it.

Aaron, keep in touch, I'd like to hear what others are hearing in other parts of the country too and I've been using Explorers for nine years now and consider myself a relatively experienced user. Sounds like Minelab or a entrepreneur may even benefit from recording and marketing a CD/DVD of these sounds.

Regards, Erik

 

[bazooka]

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[jeffmrgan]

found one on youtube with the explorer II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGqUXewOa5k

 

[Shambler]

LADIGGER is a member of these forums - you'll see him around. He has another one too that really helped me.

 

[rbholt80]

this is a great idea. I know what silver sounds like to my e-trac but i dont get what a deep funky silver sound sounds like or one with junk all around it. Iv hit about 10 silvers in 2 months with the e-trac but they all rang in loud and clear and none were more than 9 inches deep. I got the funky nickel sound down even when they are 11 inches down but thats only in clean ground. So I dig all the high blips that seem sold enough and repeat fairly good and they all turn out to be junk.

I would buy a dvd of the sounds cause i have no idea what the deep or junk surrounded silver sounds like.

 

[Hotcz70]

Hi Erik.
First thing...the headphones aren't irrelevant because of the very reason you stated...the signal he heard would not be the same as I hear...because the sound I hear is going through my headphones....not split off before it gets there like it would be for Aaron.

The impact of the factors is a very big issue...at least for me...which is why I haven't made a recording.

Many times on a hunt I have called people over to hear the sound. I always hold my hadphones out and let everyone listen.
In each and every case...they state it isn't the sound they are hearing when they run their machine over the target.

I'm not sure why that is...but it just is.

There is no "magic" signal to listen for...and a variability change of just one number different drasticly changes the tone one hears...so all the factors I mentioned do come into play.

There are tons...and I mean tons of videos on youtube that have people doing exactly what is being requested. If you notice they ALL sound like a deep coin....but they are also ALL different in some way. Each signal recorded is unique in some way from each and every other one...at least to me.

True they all sound like deep coins...but to me...I hear subtle differences in many of them.

Anyway my point is that I do not have a "magic" sound...just the deepie sound that I have trained my ears to listen for.

I just clicked on the video that was posted in this thread by jeffmrgan...and it is definately a nice sweet deepie sound...and is very similar to what I listen for.

Is it exactly what I hear each time....no...but it is a textbook example of a "deepie"...which is the point I'm trying to make.

Anyway...not looking to argue...and I know you weren't either. We were just both trying to make a point.

There are a ton of different, sweet deepie sounds...and tons of vids to show them. It's up to each of us to train our ears to listen for ANY of them....because mine isn't "magic".

My point...the sound posted in the vid in this thread is not exactly the sound I hear is...but it's VERY similar. Would I dig it ...YEP..because it's one of many sweet sounds I listen for when hunting.

Take care Erik...and thanks for responding to the post. It's what keeps the forum going...and it helps people learn.

 

[Erik in NJ]

Bryce,

I have looked at a number of the videos on YouTube as well and there are a couple problems with most of them (bear in mind I have not seen them all)

1. The audio is generally done with the headphones removed from the Explorer and the sound is from the internal speaker being recorded to a cell phone's video or something - this is not a very good way to accurately record wha is being heard.

2. Many of the hits are deep (as far as digging to get to them), but the ones I have seen are not super-deepie hits which is what I think Aaron is asking if you will record. You know the types of hits that are not a high-pitched squeal, but more of a whisper or squeal from a distance or maybe even like a whistle being blown under water- the types of hits that are at the outer range of the detector's detection ability - very faint. You seem to do well in finding coins in this range.

I also have not seen any good videos (with good audio) of a real iffy signal (maybe non-repeatable in different directions) that has turned out to be a deep coin.

If Aaron is willing to mail his recording set up to one of the more experienced hunters on the forum who has the time to do this, I think it would be very beneficial for new and experienced hunters alike. As I said I could even envision putting a marketable CD or DVD together that would cut through a lot of the "fog" experienced by new Explorer users. It would also be interesting to be able to hear similar targets in different parts of the country.

I'd be willing to do it here in NJ. Heck, Bryce, I'll even buy you a plane ticket to Newark Airport from Chicago and give you food and lodging at my home (and my wife is a wonderful cook) if you come out here for a day and show me sounds that you hear that I don't or that I hear differently (I use Gray Ghost NDT headphones) - would be a very value learning experience.

 

[bazooka]

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[Nick A]

I'm with Bryce on this one. I promise, a CD or video is not going to really make a difference or be a big help. (Besides being a huge hassle to him and taking away from his detecting time - he's already got his hands full moderating the forums.) You want to learn, go dig some stuff - dig the junk, dig the deep signals no matter what the meter says. The meter is a crutch, and while it's good, it can only do so much. The most important feature of the meter is depth. If it seems like it "might" be good - even if the signal is crappy or super bouncy, and the depth is 1/2 way or more, I dig. If you have no idea what the deep or junk surrounded silver sounds like then you need to get out, make that detector beep and dig some holes, maybe a lot of holes. A lot of holes and a lot of junk. As you dig more junk, you learn... slowly you will start digging less junk... eventually you'll get to the point where you have more coins, and all old coins, in your pouch, and a few pieces of junk. I think Bryce has been detecting for 30+ years. I've been at it for almost 20 years... there is no easy way to give someone instantly, or even in a few lessons all that we've learned by digging hundreds of thousands of holes. Half of it is doing things we don't even consider anymore, it's just second nature. And the detector brand or model doesn't make much of a difference here, yes we love the Minelabs, but I dug a lot of old deep stuff with my Fisher detectors too - the same principles that made me successful with my first White's detector apply to the one I use today.

If your goal is deep silver, set your tone variability to 10 and dig everything that even peeps that highest silver tone. You'll learn what junk is and when it's good... and sometimes you just can't tell until you dig it. I say to myself many times, "I dunno what the heck that is, but I'm gonna find out." If it shows as highly conductive and has good depth, I dig. Some days, at some sites, all I get are a few wheats, rusty crown caps and some rusty nails or bolts.

Hunting old "hunted out" parks is a help here, as the iffy signals are sometimes all that's left. If you want to dig anything at all you have to dig the crappy signals and see what comes up. People who hunt "hunted out" parks are often the best hunters as they never get to dig nice clear crisp signals. Their experience at digging iffy sounding junk serves them well at any site they come across. And if you keep going back to the same site and not finding silver? Go somewhere else! Just because a place is old and "should" have old coins in it doesn't make it so.

If you want to hear these signals with the Explorer, SLOW DOWN! Seriously, crawl along like you're 120 years old. This is the only way you'll get those "whisper or squeal from a distance or maybe even like a whistle being blown under water" You also need good headphones. If you are serious and your headphones cost less than $50 and have no volume controls, get a pair. As far as whisper hits... turn up the gain on the detector, that's what it's for! I prefer to keep gain low, so I can hear whispers as whispers, but that's my preference.

Headphones are definitely a variable when it comes to sounds. I switched headphones from Jolly Rogers to Grey Ghosts and the tones sound really different. It took a few weeks to retrain my ears.

There is no magic shortcut to deep silver.
The keys I outlined if you are serious about the hobby:
- Experience (dig a lot of stuff!)
- Good quality equipment (including headphones)
- Understand your equipment (know what the settings do, know what sweep speed is best)

Ask questions as you have them, the forums are great! I even asked Bryce about the signals he was digging and calling "dimes on edge" in his last hunt.

 

[Hotcz70]

said it ANY better myself...and I'm glad you did because I'm a lousy typer...in fact I peck
What an excellent post...and thank you for posting it

 

[Hotcz70]

A FREE MEAL

If I wasn't absolutely swamped with work...my dad's health...detecting related stuff...and just plain trying to find personal hunt time....I would probably take you up on the offer.

You mentioned this many months before.... so I know you are serious...and I'm flattered.

I'm serious too...but just have a lot on the table. Thanks for the offer my friend.

 

[Hotcz70]

big grin on my face as you did your own in the video...if we dug a silver coin
Seriously...after 35 years I still turn into a kid again if I dig one. Roosey...seated...doesn't matter. Silver is silver.
Thanks for the offer bro.

 

[Erik in NJ]

Hi Bryce, Yes, I know you have a lot on your plate as do I ...... we'll get together for a hunt sometime in the future...and I am serious you'll have a great time here (and eat very well too!)

 

[Erik in NJ]

there are better ways to learn than spending half your life digging junk . I agree with you regarding good headphones (Gray Ghosts are one of the best out there), but had I known what a good signal sounded like all those years ago when I got my Explorer it would have take a lot of the mystery and frustration out of the orchestra of sounds that it was playing. I think many newbies have this problem. I know Bryce has a lot on his plate and so do I, but there are many very experienced hunters that should be able to take Aaron up on his offer to get some good recordings of deep coin hits that are whispers of a signal and the iffy signals that turn out to be good. It would be a tremendous help to the community and even someone with the detecting experience as Mr. Holt agrees that it would be beneficial.

 

[DrBobinMO]

big grin on my face as you did your own in the video...if we dug a silver coin
Seriously...after 35 years I still turn into a kid again if I dig one. Roosey...seated...doesn't matter. Silver is silver.

It is true, I can vouch for that.

But then again, the same goes for me even after 20+ years

 

[bazooka]

I can't imagine spending all that time digging up silver without getting a big cheesy grin when you find it...unless you're just after key dates or something. But I guess it all depends on what you're looking for. I suppose I throw some things away that I find that others put in display cases, and vice versa.

 

[grumpyolman]

Eric...I'll come along too if you buy me a ticket and feed me. I can't add anything of value to help the hunt but I'm a great mooch. Jim

 

[Hotcz70]

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